Witches Heal

[Heart2Heart]

The other day, I saw a bumper sticker that said, "Witches Heal." Next to the bumper sticker was another bumper sticker, a "Coexist" symbol.

I think Christians need to coexist with other religions, BUT they should not become like them. In other words, we should not believe what they believe. Instead, I think we should show them how wrong their beliefs are and bring the truth to light in a gentle and an assertive manner.

P.S. Can everyone see the attached image, or do you have to download the image?

[sayso]

Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

The other day, I saw a bumper sticker that said, "Witches Heal." Next to the bumper sticker was another bumper sticker, a "Coexist" symbol.

I think Christians need to coexist with other religions, BUT they should not become like them. In other words, we should not believe what they believe. Instead, I think we should show them how wrong their beliefs are and bring the truth to light in a gentle and an assertive manner.

P.S. Can everyone see the attached image, or do you have to download the image?

The second symbol in it is the "peace" sign. It is an upside down broken cross with a circle around it. I don't know if that is intensional or not. As far as all religions existing in the world, yes that is possible.

The Bible says that Light has no fellowship with darkness.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?


If you think about it, light and dark cannot exist in the same place at the same time. As soon as you turn on a light the darkness is gone. They by their own natures can not exist in the same place at one time.

[Heart2Heart]

Originally Posted by sayso

The second symbol in it is the "peace" sign. It is an upside down broken cross with a circle around it. I don't know if that is intensional or not. As far as all religions existing in the world, yes that is possible.

The Bible says that Light has no fellowship with darkness.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?


If you think about it, light and dark cannot exist in the same place at the same time. As soon as you turn on a light the darkness is gone. They by their own natures can not exist in the same place at one time.

If you know someone within your own family who is not a Christian, would you disassociate yourself from the person?

[Heart2Heart]

Originally Posted by sayso

The second symbol in it is the "peace" sign. It is an upside down broken cross with a circle around it. I don't know if that is intensional or not. As far as all religions existing in the world, yes that is possible.

The Bible says that Light has no fellowship with darkness.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?


If you think about it, light and dark cannot exist in the same place at the same time. As soon as you turn on a light the darkness is gone. They by their own natures can not exist in the same place at one time.

I have a good friend who used to be in Wicca. She shared some stories of her experience while she was in Wicca. One evening, when I was at her home, she told me about her fears about the occult. She said....

Many times at night, she would have "visitors" in her home. She thought maybe her friends were playing tricks on her. (The more I listened to her story, I realized they were the demons.) These visitors walked around inside her home and often heard their voices. Sometimes, she would see them. Naturally, she was scared.

After she shared her story, she asked me what they were. I told her. Next, I prayed for her and her home that night. She told me she has not had any visitors at her home in a long time. Praise God!

[sayso]

Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

If you know someone within your own family who is not a Christian, would you disassociate yourself from the person?

I find it interesting that you ask me that question.

Being separate isn't necessarily something you do intentionally. I think it is just the result of one being saved and another not being saved. When you know Jesus it changes you and although some will like the change others do not.

I in fact do have many family members who are not Christian. I have not abandoned them. I also have many "friends" I work with who are not Christians. I treat all, Christian or non-Christian the same.

However, I can never form a close bond with them because we don't enjoy the same things. We have little in common. Their likes and dis-likes are different from mine. Some of them enjoy drinking (what they call partying), many enjoy coarse talk (although many won't talk that way around me out of respect).

Once a friend talked me into going bowling with a group of them from work. I had been saved about 1 1/2 years. When she picked me up she informed me that they were meeting at a bar first, and still wanted me to go promising me we wouldn't be there long. The longer we sat there at the table (me drinking pepsi) the sicker(physically) I got. I never said a word but my friend asked if I was sick. I told her yes and she asked if she could take me home and I said please. The moment we walked out of that bar I felt better. I felt so sorry for those people who were trying so hard to find peace and love.


Matthew 10

34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;
36 and A MAN'S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.
37 "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38 "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.


Jesus accomplishes this when He lives in those who are His. The more we become like He is the more we will get this reaction from those who are opposed to His message. But there are others who see this change in us and want what we have which is the God of love living in us. We tell them that it is God's forgiveness and love that they need. Those who agree with that assessment ask God to forgive them and tell Jesus that they want and need to know Him find life. Those who don't remain as they are and the wages of sin is death.

[Heart2Heart]

Originally Posted by sayso

I find it interesting that you ask me that question.

You had said, "The Bible says that Light has no fellowship with darkness.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?"

This is the reason why I wondered.

[sayso]

Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

You had said, "The Bible says that Light has no fellowship with darkness.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?"

This is the reason why I wondered.

Yes this verse is regarding who or who not a Christian should marry. But being yoked as the KJV calls it can apply to most relationships. For instance it would probably not be wise for a Christian to go into business with a non-Christian. Same reason, because they have different principles they would always be at odds in making business decisions.

[Scripturefocus]

Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

The other day, I saw a bumper sticker that said, "Witches Heal." Next to the bumper sticker was another bumper sticker, a "Coexist" symbol.

I think Christians need to coexist with other religions, BUT they should not become like them. In other words, we should not believe what they believe. Instead, I think we should show them how wrong their beliefs are and bring the truth to light in a gentle and an assertive manner.

P.S. Can everyone see the attached image, or do you have to download the image?

I can see it. Our next door neighbor has one. The owner of the land also engages in occult rituals.

[Trinity]

To be or not to be... with a person within a different faith.

I see no problem with some unbelievers who have a goodwill, not only as married people but as good friends also.

1 Corinthians 7:13-16
And if a Christian woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he is willing to continue living with her, she must not leave him. For the Christian wife brings holiness to her marriage, and the Christian husband brings holiness to his marriage. Otherwise, your children would not have a godly influence, but now they are set apart for him. (But if the husband or wife who isn't a Christian insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the Christian husband or wife is not required to stay with them, for God wants his children to live in peace.) You wives must remember that your husbands might be converted because of you. And you husbands must remember that your wives might be converted because of you.

I would have had no problem to marry a pretty woman from India , or a muslim woman, or a buddhist woman, I would have married her without hesitation. Even a black woman or an asiatic woman. If we can be married to a woman from an other religion or culture, I see no problem to be friend with an hindu, a muslim or a buddhist.

My love is much more ahead of my own ethnicity, of my nation, or my own culture and even my own religion. If we can like children from all nations, we can like anyone on this planet. Unless you hate children.

Trinity

[sayso]

Originally Posted by Trinity

To be or not to be... with a person within a different faith.

I see no problem with some unbelievers who have a goodwill, not only as married people but as good friends also.

1 Corinthians 7:13-16
And if a Christian woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he is willing to continue living with her, she must not leave him. For the Christian wife brings holiness to her marriage, and the Christian husband brings holiness to his marriage. Otherwise, your children would not have a godly influence, but now they are set apart for him. (But if the husband or wife who isn't a Christian insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the Christian husband or wife is not required to stay with them, for God wants his children to live in peace.) You wives must remember that your husbands might be converted because of you. And you husbands must remember that your wives might be converted because of you.

I would have had no problem to marry a pretty woman from India , or a muslim woman, or a buddhist woman, I would have married her without hesitation. Even a black woman or an asiatic woman. If we can be married to a woman from an other religion or culture, I see no problem to be friend with an hindu, a muslim or a buddhist.

My love is much more ahead of my own ethnicity, of my nation, or my own culture and even my own religion. If we can like children from all nations, we can like anyone on this planet. Unless you hate children.

Trinity

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?

For a Christian there should be no partiality in respect to race but as far as fellowship with unbelievers there is a difference. Paul asks the question what fellowship has light with darkness. He does so to point out the difference between the two. Have you ever known a person with whom you have nothing in common with? You can be a friendly acquaintance with such a one but it will be impossible to have a close bond with another who is the opposite of you. Light and darkness can not exist in the same place.

[Trinity]

Originally Posted by sayso

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?

For a Christian there should be no partiality in respect to race but as far as fellowship with unbelievers there is a difference. Paul asks the question what fellowship has light with darkness. He does so to point out the difference between the two. Have you ever known a person with whom you have nothing in common with? You can be a friendly acquaintance with such a one but it will be impossible to have a close bond with another who is the opposite of you. Light and darkness can not exist in the same place.

I would not have a communion of faith with an unbeliever, but there is other dimensions in the life of a person than his religion. As a chess player, I played with players from around the world. From all countries. I also worked with people from other nationalities for eight years [mostly with Europeans]. My employer was an Asiatic billionaire [Dato' Tan Chin Nam]. I can be friend with anyone without compromising my faith. From any culture, ethnicity, nationality or religion without compromising an iota of my faith.

Dato' Tan Chin Nam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dato_Ta...am#cite_note-0

In the Christian context, Jews are unbelievers, but as adherent to the monotheism, they are believers. A friend of mine is Jew.

Trinity

[sayso]

Originally Posted by Trinity

I would not have a communion of faith with an unbeliever, but there is other dimensions in the life of a person than his religion. As a chess player, I played with players from around the world. From all countries. I also worked with people from other nationalities for eight years [mostly with Europeans]. My employer was an Asiatic billionaire [Dato' Tan Chin Nam]. I can be friend with anyone without compromising my faith. From any culture, ethnicity, nationality or religion without compromising an iota of my faith.

Dato' Tan Chin Nam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dato_Ta...am#cite_note-0

In the Christian context, Jews are unbelievers, but as adherent to the monotheism, they are believers. A friend of mine is Jew.

Trinity

Not disagreeing that one may have a friendly relationship with an unbeliever. I paint, work, live next to, and even have some blood relatives all of whom I love who are unbelievers. I have friendly relationships with all of them, but we do not share the close bond that I share with other believers. It just isn't the same for the most part because we do not share the same views or interests.

For instance, many of them drink alcohol because they enjoy getting drunk but I do not. Many of them enjoy movies that I don't care for. Many of them go to the casinos and gamble but I don't care to do that either. So while I paint with some, work with some, live next to some and have given birth to some; we don't like to entertain ourselves in the same ways so we don't have much in common.

[Trinity]

Originally Posted by sayso

Not disagreeing that one may have a friendly relationship with an unbeliever. I paint, work, live next to, and even have some blood relatives all of whom I love who are unbelievers. I have friendly relationships with all of them, but we do not share the close bond that I share with other believers. It just isn't the same for the most part because we do not share the same views or interests.

For instance, many of them drink alcohol because they enjoy getting drunk but I do not. Many of them enjoy movies that I don't care for. Many of them go to the casinos and gamble but I don't care to do that either. So while I paint with some, work with some, live next to some and have given birth to some; we don't like to entertain ourselves in the same ways so we don't have much in common.

I understand and I agree with you on this. Sometimes, some borderlines are necessary.

I may drink alcohols with a Jew during Purim but not to the point to be drunk.
http://www.aish.com/purimparty/purim...k_Till_You.asp

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Trinity

[Jean Chauvin]

Hello,

This is funny stuff. The bad guys have or had a bumper sticker that said:

"Who would Jesus Bomb."

I bought the Bumper Sticker, and placed a Genesis 19:24 verse underneath the Bumper Sticker. I made it look nice.

This is a Theophany of the second person of the Trinity blowing up Sodom and Gomorrah.

People were very confused. When people began to figure it out, then began to scratch my car.

I hope to get that Co-Exist bumper sticker and put the verse Revelation 20:11-15. For they all will soon co-exist in hell.

Fun Stuff.

I'll have to put it on my "beater" car so that my new car doesn't get scratched.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

[TamTam]

Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

I have a good friend who used to be in Wicca. She shared some stories of her experience while she was in Wicca. One evening, when I was at her home, she told me about her fears about the occult. She said....

Many times at night, she would have "visitors" in her home. She thought maybe her friends were playing tricks on her. (The more I listened to her story, I realized they were the demons.) These visitors walked around inside her home and often heard their voices. Sometimes, she would see them. Naturally, she was scared.

After she shared her story, she asked me what they were. I told her. Next, I prayed for her and her home that night. She told me she has not had any visitors at her home in a long time. Praise God!

She must not have really been wiccan other than lip service or else she would not have been asking you who the visitors were.

[TamTam]

Originally Posted by Jean Chauvin

Hello,

This is funny stuff. The bad guys have or had a bumper sticker that said:



I bought the Bumper Sticker, and placed a Genesis 19:24 verse underneath the Bumper Sticker. I made it look nice.

This is a Theophany of the second person of the Trinity blowing up Sodom and Gomorrah.

People were very confused. When people began to figure it out, then began to scratch my car.

I hope to get that Co-Exist bumper sticker and put the verse Revelation 20:11-15. For they all will soon co-exist in hell.

Fun Stuff.

I'll have to put it on my "beater" car so that my new car doesn't get scratched.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

I don't understand your delight in this or why you would find humor in or make light of the thought of any person spending an eternity in a place of hell like the Bible describes.

[John T]

Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

The other day, I saw a bumper sticker that said, "Witches Heal." Next to the bumper sticker was another bumper sticker, a "Coexist" symbol.

I think Christians need to coexist with other religions, BUT they should not become like them. In other words, we should not believe what they believe. Instead, I think we should show them how wrong their beliefs are and bring the truth to light in a gentle and an assertive manner.

Sorry to be disagreeing in my first post here, but what you mean by saying "coexist" is vastly different from what they mean when they say the word. And that is the bane of all apologists who deal with cults.

I call it "convertible language", and it works like this: A cult will use the word "Jesus" to designate an exalted human who earned his "god-ship" and thus was exalted to live in heaven with God, who also was human.

OTOH Evangelical Christians talking about Jesus mean that He is the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lords, the second Person of the Trinity...

So when they say "I believe in Jesus Christ, don't you?" they are ACTUALLY talking about something vastly inferior to what the Bible says.

As to " coexist ", the same situation happens. Christians take this to mean warm fuzzies where every one sings "kumbayah" around the camp fire. They take the word to mean "No Christianity", and here is why I say that.

EVERY demon knows that Jesus defeated him at the cross of Calvary, and when Jesus rose from the grave; they also know that Jesus is fully God, and vastly superior to them. Since the members of the pagan occult groups also hate Jesus, why would they want to "peacefully coexist" with Someone whom they loathe, and Who has defeated their masters?

In other words, that bumper sticker is a lie, as is the one about healing. (But that is another post.)

BE NOT DECEIVED! DO NOT FEED THE ROARING LION.
And that is exactly what people do when anyone naively post nice things about those groups that are trying to destroy Christians.

BTW Hell is real, and whenever Christians mention it, it is NOT a gleeful thing. We must remember that people CHOOSE to go there due to disobedience, and not because "God is mean".

[TamTam]

Originally Posted by sayso

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?

For a Christian there should be no partiality in respect to race but as far as fellowship with unbelievers there is a difference. Paul asks the question what fellowship has light with darkness. He does so to point out the difference between the two. Have you ever known a person with whom you have nothing in common with? You can be a friendly acquaintance with such a one but it will be impossible to have a close bond with another who is the opposite of you. Light and darkness can not exist in the same place.

You do not have to have the same belief system to have things in common with someone nor does having a different belief system necessarily cause a problem in the the relationship. It is all about respecting the rights of the person you are in the relationship with and allowing them the freedom to believe as they wish, just like you chose to believe what you believe.

It is also very offense to refer to Christians as "light" and non-Christians as "darkness". Being a non-Christian does not mean a person is evil or a "dark" soul anymore than being a Christian makes someone "righteous" and full of light. Just because Paul said it, does not make it so, nor is it realistic to claim such.

There are dark souls in every belief system just like there are beacons of light in every belief system.

To say that one should not have fellowship with another simply because they are light and the non-believer is darkness because they don't embrase said belief system.... well, quite frankly that is a view that breeds self-importance, feelings of superiority, segregation and mistreatment of others. That in and of itself is a very "dark" behavior.

Paul said many things.... most of them I suspect were nothing more than personal opinion and one doesn't have to be a genius to read the words of Paul and see how very biased he was on particular issues.

[John T]

Originally Posted by TamTam

It is also very offense to refer to Christians as "light" and non-Christians as "darkness". Being a non-Christian does not mean a person is evil or a "dark" soul anymore than being a Christian makes someone "righteous" and full of light. Just because Paul said it, does not make it so, nor is it realistic to claim such.

There are dark souls in every belief system just like there are beacons of light in every belief system.

To say that one should not have fellowship with another simply because they are light and the non-believer is darkness because they don't embrase (sic) said belief system.... well, quite frankly that is a view that breeds self-importance, feelings of superiority, segregation and mistreatment of others. That in and of itself is a very "dark" behavior.

Paul said many things.... most of them I suspect were nothing more than personal opinion...

(((((Shaking my head)))))

Such relativistic nonsense! You are arguing with an Apostle, not another board poster.

You may as well argue against Moses when he presented to the Israelites the Ten Commandments

[Shandy]

if withcrafts soo good then why did i get sexually abused by them when i was small?? anything for a bit of coven fun eh??

[sunofmysoul]

Originally Posted by Trinity

To be or not to be... with a person within a different faith.

I see no problem with some unbelievers who have a goodwill, not only as married people but as good friends also.

1 Corinthians 7:13-16
And if a Christian woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he is willing to continue living with her, she must not leave him. For the Christian wife brings holiness to her marriage, and the Christian husband brings holiness to his marriage. Otherwise, your children would not have a godly influence, but now they are set apart for him. (But if the husband or wife who isn't a Christian insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the Christian husband or wife is not required to stay with them, for God wants his children to live in peace.) You wives must remember that your husbands might be converted because of you. And you husbands must remember that your wives might be converted because of you.

I would have had no problem to marry a pretty woman from India , or a muslim woman, or a buddhist woman, I would have married her without hesitation. Even a black woman or an asiatic woman. If we can be married to a woman from an other religion or culture, I see no problem to be friend with an hindu, a muslim or a buddhist.

My love is much more ahead of my own ethnicity, of my nation, or my own culture and even my own religion. If we can like children from all nations, we can like anyone on this planet. Unless you hate children.

Trinity

trinity...i can not rep you again...seems they must be spread around..
but this post was beautiful...
thank you so much for sharing this...
Love is bigger, than we realize eh?

[Follower]

If we're going to talk about Paul and about being "unequally yoked with unbelievers,' we would do well to see that his context for writing what he did in 2 Corinthians 6, is to acknowledge them for following his directive concerning the "Unbeliever" in their midst "the false brother/ incestuous Christian"

1 Corinthians 5:

9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people,
10 not at all referring to the immoral of this world or the greedy and robbers or idolaters; for you would then have to leave the world!
11 But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunkard, or a robber, not even to eat with such a person.
12 For why should I be judging outsiders? Is it not your business to judge those within?
13 God will judge those outside. "Purge the evil person from your midst."

2 Corinthians 7:

11 For [you can look back now and] observe what this same godly sorrow has done for you and has produced in you: what eagerness and earnest care to explain and clear yourselves [of all complicity in the condoning of incest], what indignation [at the sin], what alarm, what yearning, what zeal [to do justice to all concerned], what readiness to mete out punishment [to the offender]! At every point you have proved yourselves cleared and guiltless in the matter. [see I Cor. 5.]

The Amplified Bible

As I think this makes plain, Unless (or until) we "leave the world," Paul is granting that we MUST "CoExist."

[C'mon folks. Jesus was known (notoriously?) to hang with the Hookers and Loan Sharks of His day (albeit, He was offering the Kingdom of God, and people were taking Him up on it). If we are hanging with them today, our focus should be as His was. "Show the Love o' God! Glory!"]



Oh, and can we Christians PLEASE get over the "Peace Symbol" being an "upside-down, Broken Cross"? Please?!!

The symbol itself is a combination of the semaphore-flag signals for the letters "N" and "D," standing for Nuclear Disarmament. It was designed by a graphic artist in the late 1950's.

In semaphore the letter "N" is formed by holding two flags in an upside-down "V," and "D" is formed by holding one flag straight up and the other straight down. These two signals put together make the shape of the peace symbol.

[vespasia]

Given that most people make a choice to follow Christ based on the behaviour of their friends, how would wiccans et al ever begin to consider Christ if Christians continue to treat them as something 'other' to human beings seeking 'something' spiritual.