The Reason we should never "aim" a topic at a Mormon by name.

[alanmolstad]

1st...its against the rules!

Mormons have a right to expect the Christians who frequent this site to always play by the same rules they are expected to follow too.

Christians ( or other faiths too for that matter) should make a effort to show respect for the Mormon guests that stop by this message board to read the posts.

The best way to show that proper respect for the Mormon guests is to always follow the same rules that we all agreed to play by when we first Logged-On to this website.

THERE IS A RULE AGAINST AIMING ANY TOPIC BY NAME AT OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS MESSAGE BOARD!

Go read the rules kids, there is a very clear underlined rule against aiming a topic at another member of this message board.

I think this is the very best rule of all rules as it keeps this whole forum from turning into a place where personal attacks are the norm.

If you have an issue with what another member of the board is doing or has said, then go report it to Jill (the owner), and place the member on your ignore list.

Thats all you can do, and all you need to do.

the tendency I see now going on is to start a whole topic where people ***le the topic aimed at one member of this board and then use that topic to attack that person by name.

This is a slippery path kids, because it leads us down a dark path where everyone is posting topics against everyone else by name...and so the reputation of this whole forum becomes that it is a place where people get attacked by name.


A forum like this should be seen as a place that is free from such overly-personal attacks.

each person here is just a "Guest" with no more rights than anyone else.

There is no rule here that everyone has to agree.

There is no rule here that everyone has to tell the truth.

There is no rule here that everyone has to be correct.

We are all just simply guests, and therefore we should all follow the same rules and act like guests that show respect for the rules and for each other.


People that break the rules and aim topics by name at other guests of this forum set a very bad example, as well as they become a poor reflection of the Faith they claim is their own.



You can aim posts at other guests...
But not topics by name.

I understand that this may be now happening because of ignorance of the rules on this issue.....fine.
But I do expect that once people learn of the rules that we are all to follow, that steps will be taken to make placing their names on my ignore list unneeded.

[Apologette]

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[alanmolstad]

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Well maybe you should aim your comments at the Mormons who are here har***ing Christians - .

Again....there is no way that you can try to get out of blame for starting a topic that is ***led at another member of this message board (clearly against the rules), by pointing to someone else and say. "They started it!"


if you have a problem with ANYONE on this forum you have a easy fix to the situation...
Step 1 - Report the problem to Jill (The owner)
Step 2 - Place the person you have an issue with on your IGNORE LIST....and be done with it.


Thats all you can do within the rules....and that is all you need to do to solve the problem and get on with life.




Read the rules
Live within the rules...

[Apologette]

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[alanmolstad]

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PS: Where were you when they were slandering Ed Decker a few months ago? Not defending him, that's for sure. Did you see the trash they put up about Ed? Where was your guidance then?

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Actually, I noticed about a year ago that there was a topic aimed by name at Mr Ed Decker (who is a member of this message board too by the way).

Seeing that this was against the rules, I did two things.

#1 - I reported this to Jill, who after a week or so took down the topic in question.

#2 - I warned the person who started the topic that unless they took steps to have the topic cleared that I would place their name on my IGNORE list....

They refused....(They acted like they had a right to play by their own set of rules because of the actions of others too just like you are saying)

My response? I placed their name on my ignore list.

I later noticed that the offending topic had been removed and so I felt that as the correct action had been taken by Jill to maintain order according to the given rules, i then removed the person's name from my Ignore List....as i suggested other do also who had followed me in adding their name to their own Ignore lists.

The issue had been dealt with, resolved, and we all moved on.


Thus, at this moment I feel the need to also infor you that I have now sent a notice to the owner of this website that there is a new topic that has been given a ***le that is clearly against the rules of this message Board.

This is step #1...



Step #2 - is to also inform you that unless you stop "CHEATING" and playing by your own rules i will be forced to add your own name to my ignore list and suggest other follow in order to make a statement that ALL of us should show respect for Jill's rules.....

[Apologette]

Actually, I noticed about a year ago that there was a topic aimed by name at Mr Ed Decker (who is a member of this message board too by the way).

Seeing that this was against the rules, I did two things.

#1 - I reported this to Jill, who after a week or so took down the topic in question.

#2 - I warned the person who started the topic that unless they took steps to have the topic cleared that I would place their name on my IGNORE list....

They refused....(They acted like they had a right to play by their own set of rules because of the actions of others too just like you are saying)

My response? I placed their name on my ignore list.

I later noticed that the offending topic had been removed and so I felt that as the correct action had been taken by Jill to maintain order according to the given rules, i then removed the person's name from my Ignore List....as i suggested other do also who had followed me in adding their name to their own Ignore lists.

The issue had been dealt with, resolved, and we all moved on.


Thus, at this moment I feel the need to also infor you that I have now sent a notice to the owner of this website that there is a new topic that has been given a ***le that is clearly against the rules of this message Board.

This is step #1...



Step #2 - is to also inform you that unless you stop "CHEATING" and playing by your own rules i will be forced to add your own name to my ignore list and suggest other follow in order to make a statement that ALL of us should show respect for Jill's rules.....


Sure it was removed after I had reported it many times.......with no results by the way. I finally went and personally contacted Ed so that he could come over here to defend himself. Which he did and shut the mouths of the libelous ****s who were defaming him. But then I was reprimanded for contacting Ed, and shortly thereafter suspended for a month.

Don't instruct me, KID! I know I'll be suspended soon again, although I don't really see much monitoring over here. As far as I'm concerned, this site has pretty much seen its day. You have two nasty Mormons here, sometimes three. Then you have their fellow-travellers. The Mormons do jack about following rules, but the minute a Christian (and oh, golly gee, a woman at that) speaks out, you're all over them. I see you don't have the intestinal for***ude to stand up to Christian men - might that be a result of your obvious misogynistic problems? Why don't you get off my back and yell at the Mormons (but, then, liberals don't like offending those who attack Christians - it's not politically correct).AND BY THE WAY, ALAN MY BOY, GOD RULES.

[alanmolstad]

Take it eslewhere, I'm not going to submit to you or any other cultic sympathizer ......

Im only asking you to submit to the same rules we all have to submit to.

These are the rules you have already given your word you would submit to when you clicked on [Agree] when we first loged on to this website.

You gave your word, and now you have broken that word.

Im only asking you to show some respect for Jill who has allowed you to come here as her guest, and for her rules.

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[alanmolstad]

Don't you get it? It's the MORMONS who aren't submitting .....

Set a better example then......

Show that no matter how others act that you dont let this change the fact that you always play by the rules.

Show yourself approved, who is not a person that gets swept away into breaking the rules because of your anger.

Be a role model....not just another bad example.

[alanmolstad]

By breaking the rules you are not defending your faith.....You are embarr***ing it.

by breaking the Jill's rules you are not attacking Mormons....you are attacking Jill.

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[alanmolstad]

The reason we all have to play by the same rules is that unless we do this place turns into a website where personal attacks are the norm.

it's up to each one of us to remember that we are just a guest here.

we have no more "right" to be here than anyone else.

Our "faith" is not a license to break the rules.

We not only show respect for Jill by keeping her rules, we should respect for our Lord too, by letting it show to the world that we keep our word.

Keeping our word is a great reflection on our faith, and thereby it is a good reflection on out Lord too!


breaking known rules is embarr***ing to ourselves, and is a way to bring shame onto both our faith and our Lord.


But whats worse is, when we refuse to repent of our rule-breaking.
This is the worst thing we can do because it feeds right into the bad image others may have of our faith.

other will look at our actions to show disrespect to Jill's rules as a common effect of our religion.

Why would anyone be attracted to a religion that condones such disrespect of rules that were agreed to?

You look like a cheater.
Your faith looks like the faith of cheaters....

This is why we have to be careful what websites we agree to post on and always pay close attention to the rules we agree to follow.
No one forced us to be here. No one forced us to agree to play by the same rules as everyone else.

but when we break these common rules, no one looks like a poor Christian more than we do at that point.

[Pa Pa]

Again....there is no way that you can try to get out of blame for starting a topic that is ***led at another member of this message board (clearly against the rules), by pointing to someone else and say. "They started it!"


if you have a problem with ANYONE on this forum you have a easy fix to the situation...
Step 1 - Report the problem to Jill (The owner)
Step 2 - Place the person you have an issue with on your IGNORE LIST....and be done with it.


Thats all you can do within the rules....and that is all you need to do to solve the problem and get on with life.




Read the rules
Live within the rules...
That is what did...ignore function is cool.

[alanmolstad]

what to do when a brother or sister will not change their actions that are an offense to the faith?|

in the bible we are told about a system for handling these situations.

In our situation here with our attempt to get a member of this forum to play by the same rules as everyone else....I would suggest the following way to go.

if someone breaks the rules and aims a topic at other members of this message board by name, then I would first try to point this out to them.

There is no need to bring Jill into this at the start.

Just post in a very general manner about the rules we all agreed to keep.

If that does not work?
Then if it's allowed i would try to speak to the person one-on-one to see if that might be a way to help the person see that they are being a very bad reflection of our Lord, and thus change their actions.

if that dont work?
Well, at that point you have to go get others to see if their support can help the person see their error.|
At this forum wer have the ability to report posts that we have a issue with, and this will inform the forum's owner of a problem.

If that dont work?
The truth is that not all forums are watched as closely as we would like day to day.
we have to understand that fact, and understand that we have to just be thankful that while it may take some time, that sooner or later we will see some results of making a report of bad posts.

But, regardless we have the IGNORE setting to end the issue for us and allow us to move on.


What i do in this case next is to write a PM notice to all the persons I see involved in the conversation, and tell them that i have placed someone on my IGNORE list, and given my reasons for doing this.

I then invite everyone to join me in taking this action, even if it is temporary, to show to the person that people of all different faiths have to follow the same rules or this whole website will turn into a nasty place to be.....

[Pa Pa]

Don't you get it? It's the MORMONS who aren't submitting and are using personal information here. Get lost.

I was told of your shouting comment...claim down before you make yourself sick.

[alanmolstad]

That is what did...ignore function is cool.

Spread the word!

Each time you see a issue rise up that you think is against the rules, send a report, and then if the problem remains and is getting out of hand, just slap the offending person's name onto your ignore list....


issue solved...:D

[Sir]

(and oh, golly gee, a woman at that) speaks out, you're all over them. I see you don't have the intestinal for***ude to stand up to Christian men - might that be a result of your obvious misogynistic problems?

There it is again. Always goes back to feminist thinking, anti-men ramblings, and counterfeit pop-psychological diagnosis, I do wonder what happened to make apologette so bitter and angry at life in general, but toward men in particular.

It's pretty sad to see this whole thread's exchange.

I don't agree with alan and he probably has me on ignore. Fine.

But to see someone who consideres herself a "christian" to go on a tirade of "they started it and I'm gonna finish it" and "if they can do something bad then so can I" mentality, it does in fact reflect on the rotten fruit of the 'christianity' that she is supposedly witnessing.

[Pa Pa]

There it is again. Always goes back to feminist thinking, anti-men ramblings, and counterfeit pop-psychological diagnosis, I do wonder what happened to make apologette so bitter and angry at life in general, but toward men in particular.



Social Worker...she told me.

[Sir]

Social Worker...she told me.

I know.

You read this thread and you scratch your head when thinking that this same person is actually in a position to help people and help to foster a positive outlook on life in others.

So bitter. So angry. So ironic!

[Pa Pa]

I know.

You read this thread and you scratch your head when thinking that this same person is actually in a position to help people and help to foster a positive outlook on life in others.

So bitter. So angry. So ironic!

It was a *** where she could promote he anti-man agenda.

[Apologette]

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[Sir]

Oh, no, it was a supervisory position, investigating claimants. Try again big man! Jealous!

Yep.....something went horribly wrong in her life regarding men!

Explains the bitter hate toward men and the need to be seen as right. The need for validation and agreement from others.

Not sure who can be jealous of that. :rolleyes:

[Apologette]

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[Sir]

And you don't even work, do you? Or if you do, use your boss's computer and time.

Yes.

No.

No.

But we can see where your 'christianity' goes...into silly, petty, and wild accusations in hopes you can score some kind of point.

LOL....

[Pa Pa]

And you don't even work, do you? Or if you do, use your boss's computer and time.

I served in the military in leadership positions for 8 years, ran large departments and retried. I now teach for about 150 to 300 per hour...but I am a big man...you just wish you were little girl.

[Apologette]

I was told of your shouting comment...claim down before you make yourself sick.

I'm the one who is healthy here, and I don't even wear garmies!

[Pa Pa]

What a dummy you are. Almost all of my clients were abused women - abused by men who impregnated them and then ran away from their responsibilities claiming "it ain't me." What would you do, have them go begging to some Mormon bishop for support? I'll tell you, those same bishops sent the women for handouts at the welfare office - cash ***istance, food stamps, Medicaid. The citizens were the ones supporting those Mormon women (and there are many out there), not the pittance your cult provides them (unless they are from one of the "elite" families of the cult).

I wonder how YOU are doing in that regard? Seems to me from your posts that you are a professional at abusing women verbally.
Told ya...she thinks she's Oprah.

[Sir]

[B] What a dummy you are.


I bet she said the same thing to her women clients.

See? Scarey that she was in a field to "help" people, supposedly.




Almost all of my clients were abused women - abused by men

That explains at least a part of her anti-men, angry tirades against males and her need to talk down to men.

But I suspect there is more to it than that. I really don't want to know, though.

[Sir]

Told ya...she thinks she's Oprah.

Buwahahahaha...........

[Apologette]

I served in the military in leadership positions for 8 years, ran large departments and retried. I now teach for about 150 to 300 per hour...but I am a big man...you just wish you were little girl.

Big deal - my husband fought in combat, and was an officer, but he doesn't go around bragging about it like you. Am I supposed to be impressed? Put a leash on it, you'll never intimidate me, pal.

Am I suppose to undertand what "retried" means? And nobody can retire from the military after 8 years, don't try to con me. Unless on disability, and that won't be much.

[Pa Pa]

I'm the one who is healthy here, and I don't even wear garmies!

I do am I have enough health problems for all. You are sick though, sick with hate...I'll recover, you won't.

[Pa Pa]

Big deal - my husband fought in combat, and was an officer, but he doesn't go around bragging about it like you. Am I supposed to be impressed? Put a leash on it, you'll never intimidate me, pal.

Why don't you tell him fighting for his Nation "big deal"...wait I am sure you have...now he is hen-pecked.

[Apologette]

Buwahahahaha...........

...................Said the Mormon as he listened to Satan!

[Apologette]

Why don't you tell him fighting for his Nation "big deal"...wait I am sure you have...now he is hen-pecked.

He says, come down here and tell him yourself, you coward!

[Pa Pa]

...................Said the Mormon as he listened to Satan!

What a comeback...rookie. :)

[Apologette]

I do am I have enough health problems for all. You are sick though, sick with hate...I'll recover, you won't.

Recover? How do you know? All our days are in God's hands, not yours. You might recover and go on to deceive more people, but you are spiritually a dead man right now!

If I die this very night, I am a child of God covered by the Blood of Jesus, and will go directly into His presence. If you die, you will be judged by your very words - and what you did with Jesus.

[Sir]

Am I suppose to undertand what "retried" means?

No.

:p

It is quite amusing when someone is condescending to another for their typos and then commits their own. Sweet irony!

Of course, apologette has a complex that needs validation, so she talks down to men and tries to build herself up by trash-talking males and condescending to them with her feminist ideology.

I feel bad for your husband. You must rail on him everyday.

[Sir]

What a comeback...rookie. :)

I liked it!....Reminded me of talking to middle school aged kids. :D

[Apologette]

Yes.

No.

No.

But we can see where your 'christianity' goes...into silly, petty, and wild accusations in hopes you can score some kind of point.

LOL....

So, you work but spend 24/7 here. What do you do, sell Amway by computer?

[Apologette]

I liked it!....Reminded me of talking to middle school aged kids. :D

Seem to remember you saying creepy things on CARM - a lot of Christians over there have you on ignore. And now everybody knows why!

[Sir]

Seem to remember you saying creepy things on CARM - a lot of Christians over there have you on ignore. And now everybody knows why!

let me be you:

"Prove it!"

"You are simply a liar."

lol......

If people are ignoring me, that is fine. Who cares about CARM? There are guys there like Yak who talk about **** and fecal matter and make use of pornographic ****ogies to promote his hate toward Mormonism. He has one of the highest reputation points of all posters. He is not ignored. That I may be ignored by the "christians" there while he gets applauded for his efforts is enough to satisfy me that some people simply rather wallow in their filth and ignore reason.

[Pa Pa]

He says, come down here and tell him yourself, you coward!

Did you are your husband just threaten me? Repoted.

[Pa Pa]

I know emotions can cause us to get carried away, but now she and her husband have treated me personally calling me a coward. The one thing I recognize being a retired police officer is a real threat...you won't to contine this?

[Apologette]

I know emotions can cause us to get carried away, but now she and her husband have treated me personally calling me a coward. The one thing I recognize being a retired police officer is a real threat...you won't to contine this?

You're the one who is making the threats, pal. So, you want to try intimidating, mocking, or belittling me or my husband, come on down and do it in person. I say a person who does those things hiding behind a computer is a coward. A cyber stalker. And I'll ask my daugther, who works in law, about what is a "real threat." I'm sure she knows more than you!

[Pa Pa]

You're the one who is making the threats, pal. So, you want to try intimidating me or my husband, come on down and do it in person.

Where? Come on pony up.

[Apologette]

Did you are your husband just threaten me? Repoted.

Oh, did we? By telling you to come here and personally mock, belittle and attack us - not behind a computer. Only cowards do that. If you feel threatened by that, imagine how I felt when you said not to worry that you weren't going to kill me! Grow up and stop trying to intimidate people - we are not impressed.

[Apologette]

Where? Come on pony up.

Private message me.

[Pa Pa]

Oh, did we? By telling you to come here and personally mock, belittle and attack us - not behind a computer. Only cowards do that. If you feel threatened by that, imagine how I felt when you said not to worry that you weren't going to kill me! Grow up and stop trying to intimidate people - we are not impressed.

Just remembering how you once told me what a great shot you were...looking to shoot me? Or is just bodily harm you threaten?

[alanmolstad]

This topic is about getting people to understand the need for all of us to follow the same rules that we all have given our word we would follow.

If you aim a topic at a member of this message board by name, you have broken the rules.

people that break the rules have to learn not to do that....

You dont get to play by your own rules just because you think the other people have crossed a line...



What does the rule say?

"Do not start threads aimed at a specific board member."

[Sir]

This topic is about getting people to understand the need for all of us to follow the same rules that we all have given our word we would follow.

If you aim a topic at a member of this message board by name, you have broken the rules.

people that break the rules have to learn not to do that....

You dont get to play by your own rules just because you think the other people have crossed a line...

You posted this to the wrong person. Not that you will see this since you have me on ignore. Which is why it is obvious you posted it to the wrong person as well. :p

[alanmolstad]

By the way Papa.....

There is another rule that I should quote here for us all to see>

"Additional Rules: Please do not refer to a member by any name other than his or her username"


I know in the heat of battle sometimes we all might forget ourselves.

But now that the official RULE has been quoted, i trust this should help us all stay away from bending or breaking the rule about how we address each other.

[Pa Pa]

By the way Papa.....

There is another rule that I should quote here for us all to see>

"Additional Rules: Please do not refer to a member by any name other than his or her username"


I know in the heat of battle sometimes we all might forget ourselves.

But now that the official RULE has been quoted, i trust this should help us all stay away from bending or breaking the rule about how we address each other.She game me name, years ago. But if that is the rule so be it.

[alanmolstad]

She game me name, years ago. But if that is the rule so be it.
the rule is the rule...

its not a Christian Rule, or a Mormon rule..

It's Jill's rule.
But it's her house too, so she gets to set the rules...LOL

Thus we show our proper respect for the owner of the website when we make a very clear effort to always follow her rules.




When people see you conform to the same rules as the rest of us...it speaks loudly about what your Lord and your faith have taught you....

It reflects well on you to others...

and it also confronts the people who are against you with the "FACT" that you show respect for Jill's rules....

Whereas they?.....Do they show the same respect?......well....we shall see...

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[alanmolstad]

.... I sent you a private message.
>>>yes, take it to PM ....handle the personal stuff there.

the forum should be used to talk about religions and Bible verses and stuff about our 'ideas and concepts"

I dont need to read about what a **** you think the other person is.

[Pa Pa]

Are you serious? Prove that. By the way, I sent you a private message.

I can barely deal with in a open forum.

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[alanmolstad]

You feel Papa has crossed a line?
Did he attack you or someone you know in a too personal manner?


here is what you do then>




What is the Lord's teaching about when we are so personally attacked?

Matthew 5:39


the key moment you had was to understand the value in the Lord's teaching in that verse, and live it, and submit to it.

again, if you have a problem with the way Papa posts to you.....report this to Jill and place Papa's name on your ignore list.

Thats how an adult handles this who wants to reflect the Lord's teachings correctly.

But if you just keep going back and forth in an endless bickering about who said what??? ,,,,,,,then you have lost the right to really complain about Papa's posts.

No one is making you talk to him.
No one is forcing you to read his posts.

Thus you only have yourself to blame if this just keeps going on and on and on....


just snap out of this and put the guy on ignore for the rest of the day.....and allow things to calm down a bit...

[Apologette]

>>>yes, take it to PM ....handle the personal stuff there.

the forum should be used to talk about religions and Bible verses and stuff about our 'ideas and concepts"

I dont need to read about what a **** you think the other person is.

I agree with you.

[alanmolstad]

1st...its against the rules!

Mormons have a right to expect the Christians who frequent this site to always play by the same rules they are expected to follow too.

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I created this topic long ago in response to the situation at the time.
If I remember what was going on back then, we had a Christian who was very upset at a Mormon for things said, both here, but mostly on the CARM forum.

The Chrstian got so mad that they got a new topic going here that was aimed at this other Mormon by name.
Clearly this was and still is against the RULES.

My hope with this topic was to encourage the Christian to not do things like this because it makes everyone look bad.
I tried to pointout that we are all just guests here, and should set a good example for others by following the rules.

I also wrote to the christian who I was reaching out to with this topic a private message or two.

But my efforts fell short.
I did report the topic and it was cleared off the forum, but the Christian who started it never caught on that they had really done anything wrong.

Apparently they felt that being "right" was all they needed to be to justify breaking the rules.


in the end, they got banned, as did the Mormon they were bickering with.


It never pays to act like you own the world , when you are just a guest at another person's table.

[alanmolstad]

Some times i go over my old posts to see if I was responding not only in a "Christ-like" manner?...but also I want to check to see if my comments were able to get across to others what I was aiming at?

Im undecided as to how I did.



Reviewing this topic for example, good gosh it went down hill !

and kinda appears now as a great example of the worst in people brought out on a message forum.

In the future I know such bickering will rise up here again from time to time.
Im not sure it can be stopped from happening....some people are well-known for going from one message forum to the next and ripping it up like this.

but, I will keep en eye out.

[dberrie2000]

1st...its against the rules!

Mormons have a right to expect the Christians who frequent this site to always play by the same rules they are expected to follow too.

Christians ( or other faiths too for that matter) should make a effort to show respect for the Mormon guests that stop by this message board to read the posts.

The best way to show that proper respect for the Mormon guests is to always follow the same rules that we all agreed to play by when we first Logged-On to this website.

THERE IS A RULE AGAINST AIMING ANY TOPIC BY NAME AT OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS MESSAGE BOARD!

Go read the rules kids, there is a very clear underlined rule against aiming a topic at another member of this message board.


You can aim posts at other guests...

But not topics by name.


You seem to have missed a few:


"The Troll dberrie"

"dberrie says that Satan is a real god!"

"Mormons must have DROPPED dberrie"

[alanmolstad]

You seem to have missed a few:


"The Troll dberrie"

"dberrie says that Satan is a real god!"

"Mormons must have DROPPED dberrie"

This is actually part of my response...

[dberrie2000]

This is actually part of my response...

How do you feel your "response" changes anything? The threads still appear.

IOW--in response to yesterday's thread---"Mormons must have DROPPED dberrie"--here is your response:


"Mormons must have DROPPED dberrie"

ALL of the mormons seem to have left.
NONE of them stayed around to support dberrie

They must think of him as a heretic just like the rest of us do.

I can't think of any OTHER reason for them to have run away so completely.


maybe there is a game on?

[alanmolstad]

How do you feel your "response" changes anything? The threads still appear.

IOW--in response to yesterday's thread---"Mormons must have DROPPED dberrie"--here is your response:

I always tell members of this message board that if they don't like how another guest here is posting, that they can make use of the Ignore setting and end the matter permanently.

[dberrie2000]

I always tell members of this message board that if they don't like how another guest here is posting, that they can make use of the Ignore setting and end the matter permanently.

That's all fine and well--what is discomforting to me is your insistence one not post threads that name a particular poster--and then join in the fun when they do--as I demonstrated above.

If it's against the rules--then why wasn't the thread deleted--or some action taken? IOW--if violating the rules have no consequence--then why have rules?

If the action taken when the rules are violated is "ignore"--then the rules are mocked. That reminds me of the commercial where the bank robbery occurs--and the guard at the bank then reminds everyone he is not there to stop the bank robbery--but just to inform them when a bank robbery is taking place.

[alanmolstad]

here is how it works.

If any member of our forum believes that there is another member that has posted something that is against the rules, then the correct response is to report the post in question.
I believe there is a place located in the lower left corner of every post on the forum that is for reporting such things.

When you do report on a post, please list the location of the post and the rule you believe might have been broken.

And then what?....

and then you have to trust that the Mod will look into the matter and make a judgement and take what ever action is needed.

If the member wants to take a more active step then I always give the same advice to members that they make use of the IGNORE setting that each member has, and clear all of the other guy's posts off their computer screen forever.

So in other words, each member here already has the ability to effectively clear posts off their computer and to ban other members from having their future comments appearing.
This ability allows each member of this forum to make the final call as to who gets to have their posts appear on their screen or not.
And this should allow the forum to be very much self-correcting as each member has the ability to control things to this length.

[dberrie2000]

So in other words, each member here already has the ability to effectively clear posts off their computer and to ban other members from having their future comments appearing.
This ability allows each member of this forum to make the final call as to who gets to have their posts appear on their screen or not.

But the rules are not for regulating what appears on our individual screens--but rather--what is posted on the website itself. Is that not correct?

[alanmolstad]

Once again, if a member thinks that someone has posted something against the rules, there are 2 things you can do.

The first, you can click on the little box or whatever it is, and REPORT the post you have an issue with.

Remember to state very clearly the location of the post you want looked at.
also, list the clear rule that you think is broken.

Then?...

Then trust in time the MOD will check out the reported post and take any action if the MOD thinks its needed.







But what if the person does not see the post he had REPORTED disappear ? , or see any sign that anyone got in any trouble at all?

The fact is, most of the time you will not be able to tell what if anything is going on after you REPORT on a post.



Thus we have the IGNORE setting, and that should end the matter, as you have the ability to take control of what posts appear on your computer screen independent of what anyone else might do.

This should allow everyone to 'self-police' the forum all on their own.

As for deleting of posts and or topics?..you may refer to the Rules to check what to expect.

Now...that should end the matter.
If there are other questions?, just drop me a private message and I will be happy to hear from anyone .

[dberrie2000]

From the Forum RULES : "As you know, the Walter Martin website takes the position that Mormon theology is not Christian theology. Use of the term "LDS Christian" is inaccurate and misleading, and as such is not acceptable on this board."

Alan--could you show us where that is found in the "forum rules"?

[alanmolstad]

Actually, I noticed about a year ago that there was a topic aimed by name at Mr Ed Decker (who is a member of this message board too by the way).

Seeing that this was against the rules, I did two things.

#1 - I reported this to Jill, who after a week or so took down the topic in question.

#2 - I warned the person who started the topic that unless they took steps to have the topic cleared that I would place their name on my IGNORE list....

They refused....(They acted like they had a right to play by their own set of rules because of the actions of others too just like you are saying)

My response? I placed their name on my ignore list.

I later noticed that the offending topic had been removed and so I felt that as the correct action had been taken by Jill to maintain order according to the given rules, i then removed the person's name from my Ignore List....as i suggested other do also who had followed me in adding their name to their own Ignore lists.

The issue had been dealt with, resolved, and we all moved on.


Thus, at this moment I feel the need to also infor you that I have now sent a notice to the owner of this website that there is a new topic that has been given a ***le that is clearly against the rules of this message Board.

This is step #1...



Step #2 - is to also inform you that unless you stop "CHEATING" and playing by your own rules i will be forced to add your own name to my ignore list and suggest other follow in order to make a statement that ALL of us should show respect for Jill's rules.....


What I have noticed is that people post nice and within the rules most of the time...

Then.....all of the sudden....they go nuts!

They post in a manner that they know full well is against the rules, but at that moment they dont carre.
For whatever reason, they have come to the point where following the rules no longer matters.

They believe their words are just too important to be bothered with the rules.

they also seem to act offended when I tell them they are breaking the rules...

They act like this have such an important issue to raise with people, they breaking the rules is a moot point.

well...for them it is..
But not for me.


The rules are in place so as to allow every person an equal footing when they visit this site.

People that break the rules want to force their posts on others...
I have always worked against that way of posting here.

but a lot of people think breaking our rules is a badge of merit...they are proud of the fact that they dont keep the same rules,,,,they look forward to being banned by the MOD.

They consider being banned a sign that they are doing the lord's work.

I just consider such people foolish.

[alanmolstad]

What I am attempting to do is help members of our message board understand that there is a difference between attacking the "religion" of another member, and attacking them "personally".

Its a difference that is lost on a lot of people it seems.

A lot of people have come out of their past on-line experiences on other forums with the idea that attacking the other person in very personal ways is just another way to debate .

A lot of people have the idea that it's not wrong to insult the other members of a forum in very personal ways.

A lot of other people also tend to "make it personal" when they get frustrated during a debate, or find that the other person has said something that struck a raw nerve.

Regardless, what happens here is that they will get a "WARNING" from me in different ways depending on the situation.
Mostly I try to point out that they are breaking the rules and hope they will take the hint.


But, do most people take the hint?......No, not right away that is for sure!

The problem is, that some people, no lets say that its "most people" that are guilty on this forum of breaking the rules, don't take the hint and change.
When I press them to change and conform their posted comments to be within the rules, they respond by telling me that because they are so sure what they are saying is so important, that they think for them the rules no longer should apply.

In fact when I tell them that they must conform to the rules they tend to act offended by my request, almost as if I have no right to try to make them follow the same rules everyone else is following.


This is why people get banned.

Im never happy this has to happen.

Im never happy that another member of the message board has the word "BANNED" listed under their name.

But I am trying to maintain order on an internet message forum, where people can post their views on religious topics without fear of being attacked personally.

So every once in a while I have to BAN a member who simply does not play by the rules.



I do allow people to respond to my WARNING, I do allow them to send me a Private Message where they can step forward and make their case to me as to why they should not be banned.

But only if the person understands that they have to make their case respectfully...

They can state their case to me, and I will read what they have to say and then make a judgement call as to what should happen next.

I would have hoped people would use their opportunity to send me a Private Message wisely and used that chance to try to mend fences, and yet a lot of people have just used it as a chance to return to the same type of personal attacks that got them in trouble in the first place!

and, that turns out to be not very smart.