Why the avoidance?

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---The question remains--do you consider the remission of sins an imputed righteousness?


Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post----Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Romans 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Is that a yes--or no? Again---do you consider the remission of sins an imputed righteousness? It's a yes or no question.


Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---Is that a yes--or no? Again---do you consider the remission of sins an imputed righteousness? It's a yes or no question.


Acts 2:38---King James Version (KJV)


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Romans 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---Again--is that a yes or no? Is Acvts2:38 an example of God's imputed righteousness?


Romans 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Why is it we can't get an answer from the faith alone on this question?

[Billyray]

Why is it we can't get an answer from the faith alone on this question?
Where is your Bible? Recall that YOU were the one bellyaching that we didn't give you verses from the Bible and when I give them to you you can't seem to grasp what they say in plain English.

Romans 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

[dberrie2000]

Where is your Bible? Recall that YOU were the one bellyaching that we didn't give you verses from the Bible and when I give them to you you can't seem to grasp what they say in plain English.

Romans 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

How does that answer the question--is the remission of sins imputed righteousness?

Acts 2:38---King James Version (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[James Banta]

How does that answer the question--is the remission of sins imputed righteousness?

Acts 2:38---King James Version (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Oh yes you can't understand the scripture to well so I will answer straight up.. You asked "do you consider the remission of sins an imputed righteousness? ".. YES, Imputed righteousness carry's with it the remission of Sin.. Water is not capable of washing away sin. That requires Blood..

Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Last I heard is that sin is the violation of the Law. That is what is taught by the Holy Spirit though the Apostle John (1 John 3:4).. Jesus differentiates between the righteous and sinners in Luke 5:32 saying He wasn't here for the righteous but for sinners.. In Roman 3:5 the Holy Spirit through Paul draws a comparison between the righteousness of God and the sinfulness of man.. In Ecclesiastes 7:20 righteousness is taught to be had only by those that don't sin.. I would say by that authority that YES, the remission of sins includes imputed righteousness. They are connected..

To make Acts 2:38 be true it must be seen in the context of the whole scripture as to how the remission of sins comes to mankind.. Again and again we are told that only the righteous find salvation. And then Jesus tell us that to gain salvation we must be perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect (Matthew 5:48). How can mere men of whom "All have sinned" gain that level of righteousness? Only through having the imputed righteousness of Jesus s their own..

2 Corinthians 5:21
For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

That is it the only way we can be obedient to the commandment of Jesus to be perfect as the Father is perfect. So to allow Acts 2:38 to be consistent with the rest of scripture. That blood has to shed, that we must be perfect to gain salvation and that we can be made the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus, we must see that a Christian is baptized because God has remitted our sins, and not to have them remitted.. It just doesn't fit if the FOR in the p***age doesn't mean "because of" and not to "be the means" by which it is gained.. So the FOR in that p***age MUST mean BECAUSE OF not IN ORDER TO GAIN forgiveness of sin.. IHS jim

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---How does that answer the question--is the remission of sins imputed righteousness?

Acts 2:38---King James Version (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Oh yes you can't understand the scripture to well so I will answer straight up.. You asked "do you consider the remission of sins an imputed righteousness? ".. YES, Imputed righteousness carry's with it the remission of Sin.. Water is not capable of washing away sin.

But repentance and water baptism was what was given for the remission of sins. If that is true--then God grants His salvational grace to those who obey Him.


That requires Blood..

This Blood?


1 John 1:7---King James Version (KJV)

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.