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dberrie2000
10-17-2013, 09:16 AM
Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---The question remains--do you consider the remission of sins an imputed righteousness?

Acts 2:38---King James Version (KJV)

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post----Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Romans 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---Is that a yes--or no? Again---do you consider the remission of sins an imputed righteousness? It's a yes or no question.

Acts 2:38---King James Version (KJV)

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Romans 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---Again--is that a yes or no? Is Acvts2:38 an example of God's imputed righteousness?


Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
Romans 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Two questions for this forum:

1) Is Acts2:38 an example of God's imputed righteousness?

2) Is Acts2:38 an example of a works-based theology?

RealFakeHair
10-17-2013, 10:22 AM
Questions for the forum
Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---The question remains--do you consider the remission of sins an imputed righteousness?

Acts 2:38---King James Version (KJV)

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post----Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Romans 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---Is that a yes--or no? Again---do you consider the remission of sins an imputed righteousness? It's a yes or no question.

Acts 2:38---King James Version (KJV)

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Romans 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---Again--is that a yes or no? Is Acvts2:38 an example of God's imputed righteousness?
Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
Romans 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus



Two questions for this forum:




1) Is Acts2:38 an example of God's imputed righteousness?

2) Is Acts2:38 an example of a works-based theology?

First, you do understand many received the Holy Ghost before they were water baptized. Second Peter also said in 1Pe 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
So we see here it wasn't an act of water Baptism, but a regenerated heart which made the difference, as we read in; St John 3:16. For God so loved the Word' and the only act of the human was to believe in the Son.
For those of us who believe the Grace of God through The Blood of Jesus Christ, know it is that act which saves us and not our + or minus in works, ie the Law.
For you and others who believe in Law +or Minus will be judged accordingly, and I know of no one who has been able to out-work His Grace.

dberrie2000
10-17-2013, 02:23 PM
First, you do understand many received the Holy Ghost before they were water baptized.

And??? The scriptures testify that God gives the Holy Ghost to those who obey Him --regardless of when they receive it:


Acts 5:32---King James Version (KJV)


32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.



Acts 10:34-35---King James Version (KJV)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Hair--if that is true--that God gives His grace unto life to them that obey Him--then faith alone is a false theology--period--end of story.


The Blood of Jesus Christ, know it is that act which saves us and not our + or minus in works,


1 John 1:7---King James Version (KJV)

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Billyray
10-17-2013, 08:43 PM
Two questions for this forum:

1) Is Acts2:38 an example of God's imputed righteousness?

2) Is Acts2:38 an example of a works-based theology?
We are not guilty when we place our faith in Christ to save us. This righteousness is not based on our own works or personal righteousness.

Billyray
10-17-2013, 08:45 PM
And??? The scriptures testify that God gives the Holy Ghost to those who obey Him --regardless of when they receive it:

IF obedience is the requirement for receiving the Holy Ghost like you say then why isn't this the case in Acts 10?

Acts 10
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.

dberrie2000
10-18-2013, 06:01 AM
Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post-----And??? The scriptures testify that God gives the Holy Ghost to those who obey Him --regardless of when they receive it:


Acts 5:32---King James Version (KJV)

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


Acts 10:34-35---King James Version (KJV)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Hair--if that is true--that God gives His grace unto life to them that obey Him--then faith alone is a false theology--period--end of story.


IF obedience is the requirement for receiving the Holy Ghost like you say then why isn't this the case in Acts 10?

Acts 10
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.

Did you miss the above scripture?

Acts 10:34-35---King James Version (KJV)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

MacG
10-18-2013, 09:18 AM
Two questions for this forum:

1) Is Acts2:38 an example of God's imputed righteousness?

2) Is Acts2:38 an example of a works-based theology?

Answer this and you will have your answer: "What is the first cause for their obedience?"

James Banta
10-18-2013, 09:41 AM
Two questions for this forum:

1) Is Acts2:38 an example of God's imputed righteousness?

2) Is Acts2:38 an example of a works-based theology?

I don't see righteousness addressed in the p***age at all.. Can you show where it is so addressed? Does the remission of your sin make you righteous or is there a deeper component to righteousness that must be dealt with? Why does Jesus command that we must be born again? Could it be that our nature is to do evil continually? (Gen 6:5) Have we changed since that time? No, (Jer 17:9). Why does He in that p***age speak of a natural birth and then a new spiritual birth? Why does Jesus Himself tell us in that p***age that everlasting life is given to those that believe? BELIEVE, NOT WORK.. What is Acts 2:23 saying? That we are baptized Because our sin have been remitted or to have them remitted? The remission of sin requires blood, without the shedding of blood there is no remission (Hebrews 9:22). Where is the blood in baptism? IHS jim

Billyray
10-18-2013, 10:04 AM
Did you miss the above scripture?

Acts 10:34-35---King James Version (KJV)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Acts 10
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.

And what works did those in Acts 10:44 do in order to receive the Holy Spirit

dberrie2000
10-18-2013, 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---Did you miss the above scripture?

Acts 10:34-35---King James Version (KJV)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


Acts 10
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.

And what works did those in Acts 10:44 do in order to receive the Holy Spirit

I suppose one would have to ask Peter--he only observed the condition:

Acts 10:34-35---King James Version (KJV)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


So--were those who received of the Holy Ghost accepted with Him?


Acts 5:32---King James Version (KJV)

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Billyray--you've run out of room, IMO.

Billyray
10-18-2013, 01:57 PM
I suppose one would have to ask Peter--he only observed the condition:

And what does the text say that they did in order to receive the Holy Spirit?

dberrie2000
10-18-2013, 07:10 PM
And what does the text say that they did in order to receive the Holy Spirit?

The scriptures state this:

Acts 10:34-35---King James Version (KJV)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


So--were those who received of the Holy Ghost accepted with Him?


Acts 5:32---King James Version (KJV)

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


It seems they obey God--and work righteousness. How does that fit a faith alone theology?

James Banta
10-18-2013, 09:32 PM
The scriptures state this:

Acts 10:34-35---King James Version (KJV)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


So--were those who received of the Holy Ghost accepted with Him?


Acts 5:32---King James Version (KJV)

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


It seems they obey God--and work righteousness. How does that fit a faith alone theology?

Since there is none righteous, not even one (Romans 3:10) no one can receive the Holy Spirit.. Since we all have gone astray; and turn to our own way (Isaiah 52:6) we have miss having God in us at all haven't we.. This isn't a few of us. Not even most. This is all of us.. So what hope do we have of receiving the Holy Spirit?


2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

This is how we can be seen by God as obedient and work righteousness.. Because Jesus is a worker of righteousness, because Jesus is obedient we that are His though faith have that same level of perfection.. You can call for us to be obedient all day and all night and at the end of your voice we can tell you that in Jesus we (Christians) are righteous because Jesus has been righteous for us and given us His righteousness. IHS jim

Billyray
10-18-2013, 09:53 PM
It seems they obey God--and work righteousness. How does that fit a faith alone theology?
Come on DB why don't you answer my question? Here it is again for you. What does the text say that they did in order to receive the Holy Spirit?

Billyray
10-20-2013, 06:44 PM
It seems they obey God--and work righteousness.
Acts 10
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.
45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.
46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.Then Peter said,
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.


Notice in the verses above that they received the Holy Ghost yet they were not baptized. Would you say that someone who has not even been baptized as "obeying God--and work righteousness"?

dberrie2000
01-04-2014, 11:54 AM
Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Pos*** seems they obey God--and work righteousness.

Acts 10
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.
45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.
46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.Then Peter said,
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.


Notice in the verses above that they received the Holy Ghost yet they were not baptized. Would you say that someone who has not even been baptized as "obeying God--and work righteousness"?

What is your evidence they received of the Holy Ghost independent of Peter's observation?


Acts 10:34-35----King James Version (KJV)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.