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Apologette
01-20-2014, 04:06 PM
I posted this elsewhere, and will post it here for information. Appears that more and more people are coming here for information.

Not directly, but indirectly, I am in William Carey's family tree. William Carey was a poor shoemaker who balked at the anti-missionary stand of extreme Calvinism, and decided to be an missionary to India - paving the path for other Christian missionaries to come.

Here is a short biogrpahy of William Carey and the hardships he suffered for Christ:

"Shoemaker by trade, but scholar, linguist and missionary by God's training," William Carey was one of God's giants in the history of evangelism! One of his biographers, F. Dealville Walker, wrote of Carey: "He, with a few contemporaries, was almost singlehanded in conquering the prevailing indifference and hostility to missionary effort; Carey developed a plan for missions, and printed his amazing Enquiry; he influenced timid and hesitating men to take steps to the evangelizing of the world." Another wrote of him, "Taking his life as a whole, it is not too much to say that he was the greatest and most versatile Christian missionary sent out in modern times."
Carey was born in a small thatched cottage in Paulerspury, a typical Northamptonshire village in England, August 17, 1761, of a weaver's family. When about eighteen he left the Church of England to "follow Christ" and to "...go forth unto Him without the camp, bearing His reproach." At first he joined the Congregational church at Hackleton where he was an apprentice shoemaker. It was there he married in 1781. And it was in Hackleton he began making five-mile walks to Olney in his quest for more spiritual truth. Olney was a stronghold of the Particular Baptists, the group that Carey cast his lot with after his baptism, October 5, 1783. Two years later he moved to Moulton to become a schoolmaster — and a year later he became pastor of the small Baptist congregation there.
It was in Moulton that Carey heard the missionary call. In his own words he cried, "My attention to missions was first awakened after I was at Moulton, by reading the Last Voyage of Captain Cook." To many, Cook's Journal was a thrilling story of adventure, but to Carey it was a revelation of human need! He then began to read every book that had any bearing on the subject. (This, along with his language study — for at twenty-one years of age Carey had mastered Latin, Greek, Hebrew and Italian, and was turning to Dutch and French. One well called his shoemaker's cottage "Carey's College," for as he cobbled shoes along with his preaching he never sat at his bench without some kind of a book before him.)
The more he read and studied, the more convinced he was "the peoples of the world need Christ." He read, he made notes, he made a great leather globe of the world and, one day, in the quietness of his cobbler's shop — not in some enthusiastic missionary conference — Carey heard the call: "If it be the duty of all men to believe the Gospel ... then it be the duty of those who are entrusted with the Gospel to endeavor to make it known among all nations." And Carey sobbed out, "Here am I; send me!"
To surrender was one thing — to get to the field was quite another problem. There were no missionary societies and there was no real missionary interest. When Carey propounded this subject for discussion at a ministers' meeting, "Whether the command given to the apostles to teach all nations was not obligatory on all succeeding ministers to the end of the world, seeing that the accompanying promise was of equal extent," Dr. Ryland shouted, "Young man, sit down: when God pleases to covert the heathen, He will do it without your aid or mine." Andrew Fuller added his feelings as resembling the unbelieving captain of Israel, who said, "If the Lord should make windows in heaven, might such a thing be!"
But Carey persisted. he later said of his ministry, "I can plod!" And he was a man who "always resolutely determined never to give up on any point or particle of anything on which his mind was set until he had arrived at a clear knowledge of his subject."
Thus Carey wrote his famed Enquiry Into the Obligations of the Christians to Use Means for the Conversion of the Heathen. In this masterpiece on missions Carey answered arguments, surveyed the history of missions from apostolic times, surveyed the entire known world as to countries, size, population and religions, and dealt with the practical application of how to reach the world for Christ!
And he prayed. And he pled. And he plodded. And he persisted. And he preached — especially his epoch-producing message, "EXPECT GREAT THINGS FROM GOD. ATTEMPT GREAT THINGS FOR GOD." The result of that message preached at Nottingham, May 30, 1792 — and all the other missionary ministries of Carey — produced the particular Baptist Missionary Society, formed that Fall at Kettering on October 2, 1792. A subscription was started and, ironically, Carey could not contribute any money toward it except the pledge of the profit from his book, The Enquiry.
It was in 1793 that Carey went to India. At first his wife was reluctant to go — so Carey set off to go nevertheless, but after two returns from the docks to persuade her again, Dorothy and his children accompanied him. They arrived with a Dr. Thomas at the mouth of the Hooghly in India in November, 1793. There were years of discouragement (no Indian convert for seven years), debt, disease, deterioration of his wife's mind, death, but by the grace of God — and by the power of the Word — Carey continued and conquered for Christ!
When he died at 73 (1834), he had seen the Scriptures translated and printed into forty languages, he had been a college professor, and had founded a college at Serampore. He had seen India open its doors to missionaries, he had seen the edict p***ed prohibiting sati (burning widows on the funeral pyres of their dead husbands), and he had seen converts for Christ.
On his deathbed Carey called out to a missionary friend, "Dr. Duff! You have been speaking about Dr. Carey; when I am gone, say nothing about Dr. Carey — speak about Dr. Carey's God." That charge was symbolic of Carey, considered by many to be a "unique figure, towering above both contemporaries and successors" in the ministry of missions. (source: http://www.wholesomewords.org/missions/bcarey1.html)

Yet Mormons in their pre-1990 "sacred" temple rites mocked Christian pastor and ministers, like William Carey, as "hirelings of Satan:"

"Is the pre-1990 part of the Mormon temple ceremony where Trinitarian ministers were mocked as hirelings of Satan is still “sacred”? If Trinitarians had a secret ceremony where we depicted Mormon bishops hirelings of Satan, what would they think if we said it was too “sacred” to talk about? If this PC culture, I have no doubt that the tolerance-police would use words like “defamation” and “disrepectful” and “hate speech” and “bigotry” to describe such a ceremony." (http://blog.mrm.org/2009/01/would-a-...be-sacred-too/)

Mormons expect us to treat them with kid gloves, while they can deride and attack Christians without restraint? Sending their "missionaries," and I use that term loosely, to the homes of "contacts" to tell them that all Christian creeds are an abomination and all Christian professors corrupt? Sorry, but when the Mormons revoke these horrendous claims about Christians, maybe we'll have some common ground for dialogue. If not, then they have thrown down the gauntlet and they can expect responses that they may not like.

James Banta
01-21-2014, 09:36 AM
There were many God fearing men of this age that had a deep love for mankind as they loved God.. And to that dedication Smith called then corrupt.. Who was the liar these great men of God or the man that told people he could find buried treasure for them looking to the same rock he used to "translate" (write) the BofM.. Smith attacks on the Church and Her teachers even if it was only in the era of the early 1820 through 1840s is reprehensible. The early Church missionaries from England and later the USA proved by the call of the Apostle James in the second chapter of His epistle That they were solid Christians and nut the in name only Christians that Smith has Jesus calling them in JSH 19.. IHS jim

Apologette
01-21-2014, 05:53 PM
There were many God fearing men of this age that had a deep love for mankind as they loved God.. And to that dedication Smith called then corrupt.. Who was the liar these great men of God or the man that told people he could find buried treasure for them looking to the same rock he used to "translate" (write) the BofM.. Smith attacks on the Church and Her teachers even if it was only in the era of the early 1820 through 1840s is reprehensible. The early Church missionaries from England and later the USA proved by the call of the Apostle James in the second chapter of His epistle That they were solid Christians and nut the in name only Christians that Smith has Jesus calling them in JSH 19.. IHS jim And not to mention many missionaries who actually were missionaries (not trying to persuade Christians to leave Christianity like Mormons do), who have given their lives rather than reject Christ. We can read about some here: http://torturedforchrist.com/

nrajeffreturns
01-21-2014, 08:34 PM
Not directly, but indirectly, I am in William Carey's family tree.
Why should we believe claims of lineage until you have the DNA studies to prove it?

But if you're really related to William Carey, I think that's great! I was a big fan of his show

James Banta
01-22-2014, 10:39 AM
Why should we believe claims of lineage until you have the DNA studies to prove it?

But if you're really related to William Carey, I think that's great! I was a big fan of his show

Any one that would attempt to tarnish a missionary in the Danish colony, Serampore, India, who brought the Bible to the people of Bengali, Sanskrit, and numerous other peoples in their own languages deserves more respect than your snide comments.. IHS jim

nrajeffreturns
01-22-2014, 01:20 PM
Any one that would attempt to tarnish a missionary in the Danish colony, Serampore, India, who brought the Bible to the people of Bengali, Sanskrit, and numerous other peoples in their own languages deserves more respect than your snide comments.. IHS jim

Oh, I have some respect for Carey. It's the poster who lost some of my respect.... :)

But Jim, don't tell me you're not a fan of the Drew Carey Show? It was hilarious!

What other show could get away with having a character named Oswald Harvey?

Apologette
01-22-2014, 02:58 PM
Oh, I have some respect for Carey. It's the poster who lost some of my respect.... :)

But Jim, don't tell me you're not a fan of the Drew Carey Show? It was hilarious!

What other show could get away with having a character named Oswald Harvey?

Just jealous, aren't you Jeff? But who cares, there are many out there who aren't brainwashed by the Smithists!

Apologette
01-22-2014, 03:00 PM
Why should we believe claims of lineage until you have the DNA studies to prove it?

But if you're really related to William Carey, I think that's great! I was a big fan of his show

You can find the genealogical proof in the book, "John Carey, Plymouth Pilgrim." Unfortunately , we are also related to some Smiths directly - but I don't think they are tainted by providing the root DNA for the infidel Smiths. Mormons aren't the only ones who can do genealogical work you know - we just don't canonize it.

nrajeffreturns
01-23-2014, 05:56 PM
You can find the genealogical proof in the book, "John Carey, Plymouth Pilgrim."
So DNA is suddenly not essential to proving claims of lineage? All you need is a book that makes claims of ancestry, and it should be believed? Cool! So if the Book of Mormon claims that Lehi has descendants in the Americas, then we should trust what that book says. Excellent!


Unfortunately , we are also related to some Smiths directly- but I don't think they are tainted by providing the root DNA for the infidel Smiths.
So you still believe that a person's character should be judged based on the badness of their siblings, right? If your sibling was evil, then people should judge you as a bad person?

And of course the reference to infidels is a reminder that extremist anti-LDS people think they're involved in some holy war (jihad) against those who have different beliefs than they do (infidels).

RealFakeHair
01-24-2014, 09:23 AM
So I take it TBMs agree that the Book of Mormon was wrong in saying the american injun was of the lost tribe of Israel?

nrajeffreturns
01-24-2014, 05:20 PM
So I take it TBMs agree that the Book of Mormon was wrong in saying the american injun was of the lost tribe of Israel?

Which lost tribe? There were 10 of them....

James Banta
01-24-2014, 06:39 PM
Which lost tribe? There were 10 of them....

You don't know the linage of Lehi? He was said t have been of the tribe of Joseph through Man***eh.. A tribe that was taken into ***yrian captivity many years before Judah was threatened by Babylon.. Lehi was outside the land of his inheritance being in Jerusalem. As for the tribe of Joseph there is no mention of priesthood but that didn't stop Nephi from offering sacrifice to God.. Remember what happened to Arron's sons that didn't offer the proper sacrifices, and they held the Priesthood.. The whole picture of Lehi and his family being of Joseph and not Judah and conducting sacrifice makes the BofM look like a book written by a person of limited education and that points right at Smith.. IHS jim