Apologette
01-21-2014, 10:52 AM
Posted a similar thread elsewhere, and thought it would be good to post here as well.
When a person ignores the inerrant Word of God, as many Mormons do, and starts trusting in the "arm of flesh," one has spurned the "narrow way," to life and finds himself on the highway to hell. All cult leaders thrive by having their followers consider them to be the "mouthpiece" of God. This is a lie. The Word of God is the "mouthpiece" of God, not some man. And here is where the Mormons have gone wrong - they have strayed so far from God's Word that they appear to simply discard it in favor of the words of men.
Let's take a look at what Mormons teach about trusting in the arm of flesh:
President Wilford Woodruff stated:
"I say to Israel, the Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as president of the Church to lead you astray. It is not in the program. It is not in the mind of God." (The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, pp. 212-213.)
President Marion G. Romney tells of this incident which happened to him:
"I remember years ago when I was a Bishop I had President (Heber J.) Grant talk to our ward. After the meeting I drove him home . . . Standing by me, he put his arm over my shoulder and said: 'My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.' Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, 'But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray.'" (CR, October 1960, p. 78.)
Gosh! I thought you should keep your eye on Jesus, not on men:
2 Keep your eyes on Jesus, who both began and finished this race we're in. Study how he did it. Because he never lost sight of where he was headed - that exhilarating finish in and with God - he could put up with anything along the way: cross, shame, whatever. And now he's there, in the place of honor, right alongside God. (Heb. 12, The Message Bible)
And have Mormon "prophets" led Mormons astray. Consider Brigham Young:
"There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 247; see also, vol. 4, p. 53-54, 219-220).
"God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 120). (This negates the doctrine of an omnipotent God)
"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken -- He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 50).
"In the days of Joseph [Smith] it was considered a great privilege to be permitted to speak to a member of Congress, but twenty-six years will not p*** away before the Elders of this Church will be as much thought of as the kings on their thrones," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 40). A pretty good example of a false prophecy folks!
Or, consider Mormon prophet Joseph F. Smith's false words: "This doctrine of eternal union of husband and wife, and of plural marriage, is one of the most important doctrines ever revealed to man in any age of the world. Without it man would come to a full stop; without it we never could be exalted to ***ociate with and become god..." (JOD 21:9). Forget it, Mormons, you're done! No polygamy, no exaltation.
And here we have Marion Romney, Mormon Apostle, threatening a dissenter with apostasy because he didn't go along with the "living" prophet:
"Said President Marion G. Romney, "It is an easy thing to believe in the dead prophets, but it is a greater thing to believe in the living prophets." And then he gives this illustration:
"One day when President Grant was living, I sat in my office across the street following a general conference. A man came over to see me, an elderly man. He was very upset about what had been said in this conference by some of the Brethren, including myself. I could tell from his speech that he came from a foreign land. After I had quieted him enough so he would listen, I said, 'Why did you come to America?' 'I am here because a prophet of God told me to come.' 'Who was the prophet;' I continued. 'Wilford Woodruff.' 'Do you believe Wilford Woodruff was a prophet of God?' 'Yes, I do.' 'Do you believe that President Joseph F. Smith was a prophet of God?' 'Yes, sir.'
"Then came the sixty-four dollar question. 'Do you believe that Heber J. Grant is a prophet of God?' His answer, 'I think he ought to keep his mouth shut about old age ***istance.'
"Now I tell you that a man in his position is on the way to apostasy. He is forfeiting his chances for eternal life. So is everyone who cannot follow the living Prophet of God." (CR, April 1953, p. 125.)"
Gosh, political disagreement with the "living prophet" on a political issue must consign one to hell (or a low part in the Telestial kingdom I guess). It was really a blessing that Romney lost, I guess. Imagine being cursed to hell for disagreeing with the Mormon prophet politically! I bet these Mormons are all collecting Social Security when they reach old age! How things change!
Sorry to tell you Mormons this, but you are under a curse:
"Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord." (Jeremiah 17:5) (This would include clinging to the words of a false apostle like Uchtdorf and ignoring the Word of God found in the Bible)
Source of info and a good read: http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/followingthebrethren.htm
When a person ignores the inerrant Word of God, as many Mormons do, and starts trusting in the "arm of flesh," one has spurned the "narrow way," to life and finds himself on the highway to hell. All cult leaders thrive by having their followers consider them to be the "mouthpiece" of God. This is a lie. The Word of God is the "mouthpiece" of God, not some man. And here is where the Mormons have gone wrong - they have strayed so far from God's Word that they appear to simply discard it in favor of the words of men.
Let's take a look at what Mormons teach about trusting in the arm of flesh:
President Wilford Woodruff stated:
"I say to Israel, the Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as president of the Church to lead you astray. It is not in the program. It is not in the mind of God." (The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, pp. 212-213.)
President Marion G. Romney tells of this incident which happened to him:
"I remember years ago when I was a Bishop I had President (Heber J.) Grant talk to our ward. After the meeting I drove him home . . . Standing by me, he put his arm over my shoulder and said: 'My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.' Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, 'But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray.'" (CR, October 1960, p. 78.)
Gosh! I thought you should keep your eye on Jesus, not on men:
2 Keep your eyes on Jesus, who both began and finished this race we're in. Study how he did it. Because he never lost sight of where he was headed - that exhilarating finish in and with God - he could put up with anything along the way: cross, shame, whatever. And now he's there, in the place of honor, right alongside God. (Heb. 12, The Message Bible)
And have Mormon "prophets" led Mormons astray. Consider Brigham Young:
"There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 247; see also, vol. 4, p. 53-54, 219-220).
"God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 120). (This negates the doctrine of an omnipotent God)
"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken -- He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 50).
"In the days of Joseph [Smith] it was considered a great privilege to be permitted to speak to a member of Congress, but twenty-six years will not p*** away before the Elders of this Church will be as much thought of as the kings on their thrones," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 40). A pretty good example of a false prophecy folks!
Or, consider Mormon prophet Joseph F. Smith's false words: "This doctrine of eternal union of husband and wife, and of plural marriage, is one of the most important doctrines ever revealed to man in any age of the world. Without it man would come to a full stop; without it we never could be exalted to ***ociate with and become god..." (JOD 21:9). Forget it, Mormons, you're done! No polygamy, no exaltation.
And here we have Marion Romney, Mormon Apostle, threatening a dissenter with apostasy because he didn't go along with the "living" prophet:
"Said President Marion G. Romney, "It is an easy thing to believe in the dead prophets, but it is a greater thing to believe in the living prophets." And then he gives this illustration:
"One day when President Grant was living, I sat in my office across the street following a general conference. A man came over to see me, an elderly man. He was very upset about what had been said in this conference by some of the Brethren, including myself. I could tell from his speech that he came from a foreign land. After I had quieted him enough so he would listen, I said, 'Why did you come to America?' 'I am here because a prophet of God told me to come.' 'Who was the prophet;' I continued. 'Wilford Woodruff.' 'Do you believe Wilford Woodruff was a prophet of God?' 'Yes, I do.' 'Do you believe that President Joseph F. Smith was a prophet of God?' 'Yes, sir.'
"Then came the sixty-four dollar question. 'Do you believe that Heber J. Grant is a prophet of God?' His answer, 'I think he ought to keep his mouth shut about old age ***istance.'
"Now I tell you that a man in his position is on the way to apostasy. He is forfeiting his chances for eternal life. So is everyone who cannot follow the living Prophet of God." (CR, April 1953, p. 125.)"
Gosh, political disagreement with the "living prophet" on a political issue must consign one to hell (or a low part in the Telestial kingdom I guess). It was really a blessing that Romney lost, I guess. Imagine being cursed to hell for disagreeing with the Mormon prophet politically! I bet these Mormons are all collecting Social Security when they reach old age! How things change!
Sorry to tell you Mormons this, but you are under a curse:
"Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord." (Jeremiah 17:5) (This would include clinging to the words of a false apostle like Uchtdorf and ignoring the Word of God found in the Bible)
Source of info and a good read: http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/followingthebrethren.htm