Mormons & Sex - The Hidden Truth

[alanmolstad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YgGfBp6P7U

[alanmolstad]

In the end...."THIS" is what Mormonism is all about.

Money, and chasing the skirts of younger girls.

[RealFakeHair]

In the end...."THIS" is what Mormonism is all about.

Money, and chasing the skirts of younger girls.

What's wrong with that? lol

[alanmolstad]

What's wrong with that? lol
If you are a gangster rapper?.....fine, it's the type of sinful life that is expected.

[RealFakeHair]

If you are a gangster rapper?.....fine, it's the type of sinful life that is expected.

I think I am a pretty good rapper, you wanta hear some?

[John T]

Alan
Are you aware that you are promoting a new age "church" which created this video?

I am sure that you are well-intentioned, but you are nevertheless promoting heresy

On its website, the Church of Zion describes itself

" The Church of Zion is a Utah "New Age" fellowship for ex-Mormons, inactive Mormons, Spiritists, Spiritualists, New Agers, and other Seekers of Truth. The Church of Zion has no official "creed" but welcomes people of many religious and spiritual traditions. The Church will hold services on Sa****ay and Sunday, as well as meetings throughout the week, including a Wednesday evening Ex-Mormon Fellowship Meeting. "

[alanmolstad]

Alan
Are you aware that you are promoting a new age "church" which created this video?

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No but if you hum a few bars....

If there is something in the video you think is in error?....Then that is an important issue.


But I don't give a rat's **** about the makers of such things on youTube.
And asking me to give a darn is not something I would say you have a chance of doing.

If there is something on the video that is wrong, that is a good issue to take into account and to look at..

But the other ****?...

Its like the old question, "Do you hold a song as being guilty just because you disagree with the lifestyle of the guy who first wrote the song?",,,,,

My annswer is - No!
I dont hold the song guilty.

If I like a song, if I want the song played, if I want to sing a song, I do so...

I dont give a rip that the guy who wrote the song was gay, or cheated on his wife, or ran red lights...etc.

[Zeus]

In the end...."THIS" is what Mormonism is all about.

Money, and chasing the skirts of younger girls.

Actually, "THIS" is just a typical Anti-Mormon smear *** and attempt at disparaging and sensationalizing in order to appeal to your audience.

To claim "THIS" is what Mormonism is all about, you prove that in reality you have no idea what Mormonism is about, which hurts any credibility you are trying to have as a critic of Mormonism.

[alanmolstad]

No Zeus....at it's heart, Smith was interested in really only 2 things...

Money...

Young skirts.....



When I look at Modern mormonism I see the results of this same desire in their teachings.
Deep down, underneath all the "pro-Family" stuff.,..at the heart of why these teachings are pushed onto Mormons, you have the same basic two things as the goals....

[alanmolstad]

Money...


and young skirts.

[Zeus]

No Zeus....at it's heart, Smith was interested in really only 2 things...

Money...

Young skirts.....



When I look at Modern mormonism I see the results of this same desire in their teachings.
Deep down, underneath all the "pro-Family" stuff.,..at the heart of why these teachings are pushed onto Mormons, you have the same basic two things as the goals....

Which is why I know you really haven't got a clue about Mormonism.

[alanmolstad]

Which is why I know you really haven't got a clue about Mormonism.
Overlooking the personal.....I will only say that if you and I study the real we also learn to spot the fake.


the mormons says to me, "You dont have a clue about Mormonism"
The JW says to me , "You dont have a clue about the watchtower"
The Moonie says to me, "You dont have a clue about Moon"
The Catholic says to me, "You dont have a clue about the Pope"
Thre 7th dayer says to me, "you dont have a clue about White"

The this......the that....

I can only tell you what I tell them too.
That if we study what is real, then we can spot the Fake.

[Zeus]

Overlooking the personal.....I will only say that if you and I study the real we also learn to spot the fake.


the mormons says to me, "You dont have a clue about Mormonism"
The JW says to me , "You dont have a clue about the watchtower"
The Moonie says to me, "You dont have a clue about Moon"
The Catholic says to me, "You dont have a clue about the Pope"
Thre 7th dayer says to me, "you dont have a clue about White"

The this......the that....

I can only tell you what I tell them too.
That if we study what is real, then we can spot the Fake.

But you show us with each post that you only believe what you have found bad about Mormonism. And each time you find something "bad" (regardless of its truthfulness), you make claims like "This is what Mormonism is all about" or "This is why I'm convinced that Mormons follow Satan and are going to Hell."

Yet as a Mormon I have studied the "real" and I can tell you that what you post is "fake".

Even when other Anti-Mormons tell you that what you are spreading as your propaganda is from dubious sources, you still seem content and relish in your findings and use them as your support for your false ideas about Mormonism.

[RealFakeHair]

But you show us with each post that you only believe what you have found bad about Mormonism. And each time you find something "bad" (regardless of its truthfulness), you make claims like "This is what Mormonism is all about" or "This is why I'm convinced that Mormons follow Satan and are going to Hell."

Yet as a Mormon I have studied the "real" and I can tell you that what you post is "fake".

Even when other Anti-Mormons tell you that what you are spreading as your propaganda is from dubious sources, you still seem content and relish in your findings and use them as your support for your false ideas about Mormonism.

What is one of the false ideas of LDSinc.?

[John T]

No but if you hum a few bars....

If there is something in the video you think is in error?....Then that is an important issue.


But I don't give a rat's **** about the makers of such things on youTube.
And asking me to give a darn is not something I would say you have a chance of doing.

If there is something on the video that is wrong, that is a good issue to take into account and to look at..

But the other ****?...

Its like the old question, "Do you hold a song as being guilty just because you disagree with the lifestyle of the guy who first wrote the song?",,,,,

My annswer is - No!
I dont hold the song guilty.

If I like a song, if I want the song played, if I want to sing a song, I do so...

I dont give a rip that the guy who wrote the song was gay, or cheated on his wife, or ran red lights...etc.

No good deed goes unpunished, eh?

There are MANY inaccuracies in that video, and I merely posted the most blatant, waiting for a reasonable response.
I am still waiting for that.

By your defense of such a blatantly erroneous video from a that practices and promotes things forbidden in the Bible:
The Church of Zion is a Utah "New Age" fellowship for ex-Mormons, inactive Mormons, Spiritists, Spiritualists, New Agers, and other Seekers of Truth.

If you are unable to see that what I made red are actually satanic things, and in the light of the command that Christians are to have no part in their evil works, then you have lost much credibility on this forum

[RealFakeHair]

No good deed goes unpunished, eh?

There are MANY inaccuracies in that video, and I merely posted the most blatant, waiting for a reasonable response.
I am still waiting for that.

By your defense of such a blatantly erroneous video from a that practices and promotes things forbidden in the Bible:
The Church of Zion is a Utah "New Age" fellowship for ex-Mormons, inactive Mormons, Spiritists, Spiritualists, New Agers, and other Seekers of Truth.

If you are unable to see that what I made red are actually satanic things, and in the light of the command that Christians are to have no part in their evil works, then you have lost much credibility on this forum

Make it easy for me John, and point out one error in the video for me.

[alanmolstad]

Make it easy for me John, and point out one error in the video for me.


I also asked for the same....so far nothing .

If there is some sorta of error, then that is a good point to bring up.
But so far I dont know of any....

listing an error we could talk about would be good , it would be a good topic for conversation....

[RealFakeHair]

I also asked for the same....so far nothing .

If there is some sorta of error, then that is a good point to bring up.
But so far I dont know of any....

listing an error we could talk about would be good , it would be a good topic for conversation....

I think TBM really do believe it when they say, " there are errors in such and such." However in the back of their minds there is this little doubt that keeps them from pointing out perhaps such errors.

[alanmolstad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YgGfBp6P7U

at around the 9:40 point the video tells the real truth about why Smith was killed......

[RealFakeHair]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YgGfBp6P7U

at around the 9:40 point the video tells the real truth about why Smith was killed......

In the end aint it always about sex.

[alanmolstad]

No good deed goes unpunished, eh?

There are MANY inaccuracies in that video, and I merely posted the most blatant, waiting for a reasonable response.
I am still waiting for that.



So far you have not called into question anything!

Is there a fact that the video gets wrong?...
The video makes a bunch of claims, I have no doubt that many of these claims you have trouble with.
So tell me where?

An example ...the video makes the claim that Mormon men have a goal of being a God in the afterlife, and having many wives and having sex, sex, and more sex with these wives.
Now "that" is a very wild claim!

It is wrong?.....can you support the idea that the video is totally wrong about this wild claim?.....


Another wild claim that the video makes is that many early members of the Mormon religion taught that Jesus was married...that he had many wives...and had sex with these many girls...and got them pregnant.

this is a WILD, WILD claim the video makes about the early mormons!
Now if you think this is all a lie?....then lets see what you can say to prove to me that no Mormons ever taught such an evil bunch of teachings!

[RealFakeHair]

So far you have not called into question anything!

Is there a fact that the video gets wrong?...
The video makes a bunch of claims, I have no doubt that many of these claims you have trouble with.
So tell me where?

An example ...the video makes the claim that Mormon men have a goal of being a God in the afterlife, and having many wives and having sex, sex, and more sex with these wives.
Now "that" is a very wild claim!

It is wrong?.....can you support the idea that the video is totally wrong about this wild claim?.....


Another wild claim that the video makes is that many early members of the Mormon religion taught that Jesus was married...that he had many wives...and had sex with these many girls...and got them pregnant.

this is a WILD, WILD claim the video makes about the early mormons!
Now if you think this is all a lie?....then lets see what you can say to prove to me that no Mormons ever taught such an evil bunch of teachings!
Well there is one thing. I don't think the babs wore two piece bathing suits back then, but I bet ol jo wish they did!

[alanmolstad]

It's always the "sex thing" that is the driving force behind most cults....Both Christian and non-christian Cults.

Sooner of later, no matter how many other things the Cult does, no matter how many other good works the Cult does in the world, sooner or later we find out that underneath it all was a desire of the Cults leaders, or/and the men in the Cult to collect a harem of young skirts.

The Mormons are just more open about the fact that it's all about chasing after young skirts.

From the actions of the Mormon prophet, to the dreams all Mormon men have of how they want to spend the afterlife....it all comes down to just sex,sex and more sex.

[alanmolstad]

No good deed goes unpunished, eh?



try to understand my point of view in this,,,,and the context.

You see from my point of view, I don't really care who made this or that video, nor who wrote this or that song....or who paid for this or that movie to be made.

I simply judge the results.

Is the video good?
is the music good?
is the movie good?

This kinda reminds me of a conversation I had with a "super Christian" about my saying I would vote for Mitt over Obama.
The Super Christian really attacked me for supporting a false religion with my statements and with my support and vote for a non-Christian for president.

I told the Super Christian just the same thing i have told you..."I dont care about that stuff"

I care only about the results...I cared that I wanted to stop a future from happening, and that now has happened.
I care that the video is a good video and is correct...I want to talk about any issues it may have wrong.

But I do not care a rat's **** about the religion of the person...That matter is between them and their dear fluffy Lord.

[alanmolstad]

http://www.i4m.com/think/history/joseph_smith_sex.htm

[alanmolstad]

In the end...."THIS" is what Mormonism is all about.

Money, and chasing the skirts of younger girls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YgGfBp6P7U

[alanmolstad]

"here is another piece of evidence you might consider in examining Joseph Smith's sexual behavior.
The following excerpt is from a love letter Joseph Smith wrote when he wanted to arrange a liaison with Newel K. Whitney's daughter Sarah Ann, whom Smith had secretly "married."

It reveals Smith's cloak-and-dagger approach to his extramarital affairs

:"... the only thing to be careful of; is to find out when Emma comes then you cannot be safe, but when she is not here, there is the most perfect safty. ... Only be careful to escape observation, as much as possible, I know it is a heroick undertakeing; but so much the greater friendship, and the more Joy, when I see you I will tell you all my plans, I cannot write them on paper, burn this letter as soon as you read it; keep all locked up in your breasts, my life depends upon it. ... I close my letter, I think Emma wont come tonight if she dont, dont fail to come to night, I subscribe myself your most obedient, and affectionate, companion, and friend. Joseph Smith.""

[alanmolstad]

"

:"... the only thing to be careful of; is to find out when Emma comes then you cannot be safe, but when she is not here, there is the most perfect safty. ... Only be careful to escape observation, as much as possible, I know it is a heroick undertakeing; but so much the greater friendship, and the more Joy, when I see you I will tell you all my plans, I cannot write them on paper, burn this letter as soon as you read it; keep all locked up in your breasts, my life depends upon it. ... I close my letter, I think Emma wont come tonight if she dont, dont fail to come to night, I subscribe myself your most obedient, and affectionate, companion, and friend. Joseph Smith.""

He really was a good old horn-dog wasn't he!

[Apologette]

No Zeus....at it's heart, Smith was interested in really only 2 things...

Money...

Young skirts.....

And power - he was running for President when he was shot! He was a megalomaniac!


When I look at Modern mormonism I see the results of this same desire in their teachings.
Deep down, underneath all the "pro-Family" stuff.,..at the heart of why these teachings are pushed onto Mormons, you have the same basic two things as the goals....

These holier than thou Mormon "priests" would love to have a try at polygamy, I'm sure. All the protestations to the contrary, they'd make the "sacrifice."