The "out of context claims of the faith alone

[dberrie2000]

How does that somehow negate what the Biblical NT testifies to?

Acts 5:32King James Version (KJV)
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

You realize Acts is found in the Bible?

Saxon--running to kick at the LDS won't solve your problem of the Biblical record testifying against you:

James 2:24---New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.


You are out of context with the whole Bible.

This seems to be the usual retort of the faith alone whenever Biblical scriptures are posted that defy faith alone theology.

Could anyone explain what is out of context about the above scriptures?

[Phoenix]

This seems like a good topic to discuss.

[alanmolstad]

"Salvation isn't by faith, it isn't by works, or any combination of them."


"Salvation is by Grace alone, though Faith"




case-closed people,move on.









https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcf1J6AJB9M

[Phoenix]

If the case was really closed, then this thread could be closed, too.

If I am required to believe in the Trinity if I want to be saved (see Athanasian Creed for details), then apparently we are saved by belief in a dogma. Not by grace, or faith, or works.

[alanmolstad]

If the case was really closed, then this thread could be closed, too.

If I am required to believe in the Trinity if I want to be saved (see Athanasian Creed for details), then apparently we are saved by belief in a dogma. Not by grace, or faith, or works.
one must believe in the Jesus of the Bible, not the many different false Christs found in the world of the CULTS.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxtiVIxDflM

[alanmolstad]

If the case was really closed, then this thread could be closed, too.

.the case is truly closed.

But some people have sticks and a dead horse to swat...

[dberrie2000]

one must believe in the Jesus of the Bible,

This one?

Acts 5:32King James Version (KJV)
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

James 2:24---New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

[alanmolstad]

This one?

Acts 5:32King James Version (KJV)
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


James 2:24---New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.


"Salvation isn't by faith, it isn't by works, or any combination of them."


"Salvation is by Grace alone, though Faith"


look it up....

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post ---- This one?

Acts 5:32King James Version (KJV)
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

James 2:24---New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.


"Salvation isn't by faith, it isn't by works, or any combination of them."

"Salvation is by Grace alone, though Faith"

look it up....

And that grace goes to them that obey Him:

Hebrews 5:9---King James Version (KJV)
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

I don't believe that anyone is arguing what we are saved by--Christians agree it is by God's grace we are saved.

That leaves but one question to answer, IMO--who receives of this grace?

If the scriptures are true--those who obey God:

Revelation 22:14----King James Version (KJV)
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

If that is true--then faith alone theology is false.

[alanmolstad]

That leaves but one question to answer, IMO--who receives of this grace?

they who believe in the truth Christ of the Bible (Not in the false Christs of the world of the CULTS) know that they have received God's Grace.

[dberrie2000]

they who believe in the truth Christ of the Bible (Not in the false Christs of the world of the CULTS) know that they have received God's Grace.

Were these the ones who believed?

Acts 2:38-42---King James Version (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

The fact is--the Biblical record has God's salvational grace going to them that obey Him--anathema to faith alone theology.

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.