Mormonism: Mormonism and the Claim to Restoration

[alanmolstad]

http://www.equip.org/perspectives/mormonism-mormonism-and-the-claim-to-restoration/

[dberrie2000]

http://www.equip.org/perspectives/mormonism-mormonism-and-the-claim-to-restoration/


http://www.equip.org/perspectives/mo...o-restoration/

"Mormonism: Mormonism and the Claim to Restoration

MORMONS AND RESTORATION- Introduction
Mormons claim that there was a falling away from the faith after the death of the Apostles."

If there was not a "falling away"--could you explain for us why the need for a Reformation?

[alanmolstad]

I believe there was a guy who posted the reasons he had against the church at the time on the door of his church....

I think there were...ummmm....95 reasons?

And if you read the 95 reasons you fond that there were none that were dealing with the "faith" of the church, but had to do with all the junk that had been brought in to raise money for building projects.



So the basic 'faith" of the church is unchanged...and that is why I dont have any trouble at all being both a past worshiper at Catholic and non-Catholic churches..its the same 'faith"

The organized structure is very different from one church to the next...but the faith itself is unchanged.
Im just as happy in a Baptist church, as I am in an Anglican, as i am in a catholic church....its all part of the same single Christian faith.

Its mostly now just a question of the "structure" of how the church is organized and where the money goes, who owns the buildings, who has authority....etc.
The teachings about who God is, who Jesus is, the Resurrection , etc are the same in all...


Now there was a very clear need to reform how the church at the time was being run.
The introductions of the idea that you could 'pay' for forgiveness with a cash gift...the idea that you could buy with a cash gift , to get people into heaven, was in error, and is the source for the whole 'reformation" part of church history.

[dberrie2000]

I believe there was a guy who posted the reasons he had against the church at the time on the door of his church....

I think there were...ummmm....95 reasons?

And if you read the 95 reasons you fond that there were none that were dealing with the "faith" of the church, but had to do with all the junk that had been brought in to raise money for building projects.

So the basic 'faith" of the church is unchanged...and that is why I dont have any trouble at all being both a past worshiper at Catholic and non-Catholic churches..its the same 'faith"

Then why the need for new denominations with a new theology--IE--faith alone?(sola fide) You aren't thinking the Catholics shared that theology then--or now?

Protestant Reformation----From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Protestant Reformation, often referred to simply as the Reformation, was the schism within Western Christianity initiated by Martin Luther, John Calvin, Huldrych Zwingli and other early Protestant Reformers.[a]

Zwingli and other early Protestant Reformers.[a]

Although there had been significant earlier attempts to reform the Roman Catholic Church before Luther — such as those of Jan Hus, Peter Waldo, and John Wycliffe — it is Martin Luther who is widely acknowledged to have started the Reformation with his 1517 work The Ninety-Five Theses. Luther began by criticizing the selling of indulgences, insisting that the Pope had no authority over purgatory and that the Catholic doctrine of the merits of the saints had no foundation in the gospel. The attacks widened to cover many of the doctrines and devotional Catholic practices. The new movement within Germany diversified almost immediately, and other reform impulses arose independently of Luther. The largest groupings were the Lutherans and Calvinists, or Reformed. Lutheran churches were founded mostly in Germany, the Baltics and Scandinavia, while the Reformed ones were founded in France, Switzerland, Hungary, the Netherlands and Scotland. The new movement influenced the Church of England decisively after 1547 under Edward VI and Elizabeth I, although the national church had been made independent under Henry VIII in the early 1530s for political rather than religious reasons. There were also reformation movements throughout continental Europe known as the Radical Reformation, which gave rise to the Anabaptist, Moravian, and other Pietistic movements.

Although the core motivation behind these changes was theological, many other factors played a part, including the rise of nationalism, the Western Schism which eroded people's faith in the Papacy, the corruption of the Curia, and the new learning of the Renaissance which questioned much traditional thought. On a technological level the spread of the printing press provided the means for the rapid dissemination of religious materials in the vernacular.

[alanmolstad]

The faith was unchanged but there was a real need to reform the administration

[dberrie2000]

Then why the need for new denominations with a new theology--IE--faith alone?(sola fide) You aren't thinking the Catholics shared that theology then--or now?

Protestant Reformation----From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Protestant Reformation, often referred to simply as the Reformation, was the schism within Western Christianity initiated by Martin Luther, John Calvin, Huldrych Zwingli and other early Protestant Reformers.[a]

Zwingli and other early Protestant Reformers.[a]

Although there had been significant earlier attempts to reform the Roman Catholic Church before Luther — such as those of Jan Hus, Peter Waldo, and John Wycliffe — it is Martin Luther who is widely acknowledged to have started the Reformation with his 1517 work The Ninety-Five Theses. Luther began by criticizing the selling of indulgences, insisting that the Pope had no authority over purgatory and that the Catholic doctrine of the merits of the saints had no foundation in the gospel. The attacks widened to cover many of the doctrines and devotional Catholic practices. The new movement within Germany diversified almost immediately, and other reform impulses arose independently of Luther. The largest groupings were the Lutherans and Calvinists, or Reformed. Lutheran churches were founded mostly in Germany, the Baltics and Scandinavia, while the Reformed ones were founded in France, Switzerland, Hungary, the Netherlands and Scotland. The new movement influenced the Church of England decisively after 1547 under Edward VI and Elizabeth I, although the national church had been made independent under Henry VIII in the early 1530s for political rather than religious reasons. There were also reformation movements throughout continental Europe known as the Radical Reformation, which gave rise to the Anabaptist, Moravian, and other Pietistic movements.

Although the core motivation behind these changes was theological, many other factors played a part, including the rise of nationalism, the Western Schism which eroded people's faith in the Papacy, the corruption of the Curia, and the new learning of the Renaissance which questioned much traditional thought. On a technological level the spread of the printing press provided the means for the rapid dissemination of religious materials in the vernacular.


The faith was unchanged but there was a real need to reform the administration

The Reformers had a strange way of reforming the administration--they started whole new denominations--with whole new theologies.



Reformation vs. Restoration---http://www.paher.org/Writing/Articles/Reformation_vs_Restoration.html

Printed in House To House/Heart To Heart

Most people know of the Reformation Movement which began when Martin Luther nailed his Ninety-Five theses at the Castle Church door in Wittenberg, Germany on October 31, 1517. Less known, however, is the Restoration Movement which began to emerge in America around the turn of the nineteenth century. Whereas the reformation leaders attempted to improve established religion with new ideas, the restoration leaders strove to return faith to its original roots in first century Christianity.

[alanmolstad]

The Christian faith was the same


But the administration was in need of reform

[dberrie2000]

The Reformers had a strange way of reforming the administration--they started whole new denominations--with whole new theologies.


Reformation vs. Restoration---http://www.paher.org/Writing/Articles/Reformation_vs_Restoration.html

Printed in House To House/Heart To Heart

Most people know of the Reformation Movement which began when Martin Luther nailed his Ninety-Five theses at the Castle Church door in Wittenberg, Germany on October 31, 1517. Less known, however, is the Restoration Movement which began to emerge in America around the turn of the nineteenth century. Whereas the reformation leaders attempted to improve established religion with new ideas, the restoration leaders strove to return faith to its original roots in first century Christianity.


The Christian faith was the same

But the administration was in need of reform

Again--how does starting new denominations--with a whole new theology--somehow reform the administration?