Why should we pick YOURS?

[Christian]

Smith invented ONE religion. In less than 200 years it splintered into 150+ pieces (an average 'break' once every 18 months).

NOBODY has given us ONE GOD GIVEN REASON to believe that THEIR splinter group of smith's religion is 'the right one.'

EACH has its own 'prophet,' and EACH had its own 'apostles.' EACH claims the other smith groups are fakes and will lead their followers to Hell.

So WHY SHOULD WE CHOOSE YOURS?

[Phoenix]

So WHY SHOULD WE CHOOSE YOURS?
because it's better than yours is. until you believe that, you shouldn't join ours. that's a fair deal, wouldn't you agree?

[Erundur]

Maybe you should start a thread explaining why we should pick YOURS.

[alanmolstad]

Why should someone pick the Baptists over Methodists? Lutherans? Presbyterianism? Catholic? Nondenominational?

The question you ask is "Who should I follow?"

The Bible answers that question directly....For Jesus said "Follow me"

[Christian]

because it's better than yours is. until you believe that, you shouldn't join ours. that's a fair deal, wouldn't you agree?

Why would I agree? You haven't shown that YOURS is any better than MINE OR ANY OF THE OTHERS WE ARE DISCUSSING EITHER. . .

Logic seems to elude you. . .

[Christian]

Have you sincerely asked God if the Book of Mormon is true? If it is true, and it is, then The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the only true church on the earth. Why should you choose the Lord and His church? Because salvation and exaltation depends on it.

I did. The Holy Spirit said NO. My salvation doesn't depend upon joe smith, his self-contradictory writings, OR his made-up (once a man who became a god, but was always god from eternity to eternity) god at all.

MY salvation is given to me by the SAME JESUS CHRIST that the Bible describes, not one of joey smith's pretended 'spirit children along with satan' jesus.

[alanmolstad]

Have you sincerely asked God if the Book of Mormon is true?......Oh how I love it when I see this question posted...


let me quote my answer to it-


""Oh Lord, I have always wanted to have lots of sex with many other women besides my wife.
Will you send me a sign, any sign will do, even just indigestion, that you have picked out a new religion for me that would have as one of it's teachings that in the afterlife I will get to cheat on my wife with many, many young girls and its ok with you?

And Lord, if its not too much trouble, I have always wanted to wear super-secret underwear.
So could you make this new religion where I get to as well?

And before I go Lord...I have always felt the Christian Church has just too low of an opinion of Satan, so could you work things out better in thine new religion for Satan too?
Perhaps you could make him equal to Jesus?..like for instance make them "brothers"?

Thanks, Lord...

and P.S.
let me know when I can expect to rule my own planet like you..and make tons of spirit babies with really stacked wives...
I want to get "cracken" on that right away!
Amen. "

[Christian]

Maybe you should start a thread explaining why we should pick YOURS.

Why? I would LOVE to see you visit my own congregation, but I would also LOVE to see you visit ANY CHRISTIAN congretation.

Baptists, methodists, lutherans, presbyterians, non-denominational? CHRISTIAN. You will find the REAL JESUS CHRIST in all of those. Of course, if you look for Him in a catholic church you will find a 'bread god' instead. If you look in other false religions, you will find false gods.

FOLLOW THE REAL JESUS CHRIST. Not the fake mormon one.

[Erundur]

Why?
Because you want us to convert to yours.


I would LOVE to see you visit my own congregation, but I would also LOVE to see you visit ANY CHRISTIAN congretation.
That's what I do every week.


FOLLOW THE REAL JESUS CHRIST.
Yep, that's what we do.


Not the fake mormon one.
Okay, tell us why you think Jesus Christ is fake.

[Christian]

Because you want us to convert to yours.


That's what I do every week.


Yep, that's what we do.


Okay, tell us why you think Jesus Christ is fake.

WHICH Jesus Christ? The MORMON ONE?
joey smith's invented 'christ' is supposed to be a 'spirit brother' of Satan.

The REAL Jesus Christ is not.

The mormon INVENTIONS are all fakes.

Their fake 'prophets' who haven't been able to prophesy for at least 75 years. Their fake 'apostles' that don't go anywhere. Their fake 'priesthoods' that joey smith invented.

ALL fakes.

But the REAL Jesus Christ is not the mormon one.

[Christian]

Which "real" Jesus did you find? The Baptist one? The Lutheran Jesus? The nondenominational Jesus? The Methodist Jesus? They all still vary in their doctrines. We teach only that which is from God and the REAL Jesus Christ, not the fake Trinity one.

Every time I attend my ward, or visit another, of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints I attend a Christian church. The only difference is this isn't just another church randomly created like protestant churches, this is Jesus Christ's church. You should try visiting our church sometime.

The REAL Jesus I found is the same Jesus the Baptists, Lutherans and ALL CHRISTIAN churches follow. NOT a 'spirit brother of satan' as joey smith's MADE UP jesus is.

Your mormon religion CLAIMS to be Christian, but back in the 70's when I BECAME A CHRISTIAN, the mormons would be the first to tell you that their religion was NOT Christian, it was mormon instead. THEY were right.

But now. . .your religion wants to seem more 'respectable' apparently. Your religion is no more Christ's church than a duck's waddle. Your religion is nothing more than a fairytale religion invented by joey smith. And you cannot demonstrate in the WORD OF GOD, THE BIBLE otherwise.

Sorry cog, but you have been drinking from the dirty well. . .the mormon well. Dirty water, not the Holy Spirit at all.

[Erundur]

WHICH Jesus Christ?
As Christians, we believe there is exactly one Jesus Christ. You can read about him in the New Testament. Tell us why you think he is fake.


But the REAL Jesus Christ is not the mormon one.
Okay, so you don't believe the Jesus Christ of the Bible is the real one. Who is the real one, do you believe, and why should we believe in him instead?

[Christian]

child posted:
No, those aren't the same Jesuses. If you all believed in the same Jesus you wouldn't be divided. You would be one church.
You're not. Its no fun when your own words are used against you is it?

Sorry child, but my own words are still TRUE. We ARE one church. Just as the Church of the Thessalonians was the same church as the Church of God in Christ Jesus which was the same as The Church of God etc etc IN GOD'S WORD, the BIBLE.

Sorry, but it was MORMONS who pretended that we must be 'splintered' when we are not.

AND it was the MORMONS who did not apply the same rules they made up to their own 150+ different pieces of SMITH'S religion, EACH OF WHICH CLAIMS THAT ALL OF THE REST ARE FALSE.

We CHRISTIANS don't make such claims of each other.

NOT MY WORDS used against me.

We don't just claim to be Christians, we ARE Christians. And you are wrong, Mormons have always identified themselves as Christians.

Not in Eastern Idaho (The REAL center of the utah mormons, more-or-less) during the '70's.'

Early leaders taught that we are not what I call New Age Christians, the Trinity and all that mess, but that we are biblical Christians.

The mormon religion has almost NOTHING in common with BIBLICAL Christianity.

I would never identify myself as trinitarian Christian, I am a biblical Christian. This is Jesus Christ's church, the same Jesus Christ found in the Bible.

Mormons falsely CLAIM that today, but they cannot SHOW IT. They cannot find ONE MEMBER of the BIBLICAL aaronic priesthood in the NT church leadership anywhere. They cannot find ONE MEMBER OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF who was ever a 'Melchizedek priest' in the New Testament church.
They cannot find ONE PROPHET leading Christ's church either.
Or ONE 'ELDER' who was ever 19 years old.
Or ONE marriage forever.
or ONE 'forever family.
or ONE GOD who was ever a man first.
or ONE GOD who had wives that popped out 'spirit babies.'
or ONE 'jesus' who was a spirit brother of satan. or
or
or
or
etc
etc


The Mormon church is not IN TRUTH a 'restored' church at all. It is an 'INVENTED' church. Invented by joe smith. It is NOT the church JESUS built and bears little to no resemblance to it.

And STILL NO REASON TO BELIEVE YOUR PARTICULAR BRAND OF SMITHISM IS THE "RIGHT ONE."

[Christian]

[quote] Originally Posted by ChristianWHICH Jesus Christ?


As Christians, we believe there is exactly one Jesus Christ. You can read about him in the New Testament. Tell us why you think he is fake.

STILL trying to 'twist my words' to make them 'look like' they say something I never said.

Typical of mormons. They LOVE to quibble over their own lies.

The REAL BIBLICAL Jesus Christ is not the one your religion describes. YOUR 'jesus' is indeed fake, supposedly a 'spirit child' of a 'momma goddess' and your 'father god' who was at one time a man, but was 'exalted and has ALWAYS been a god, from eternity to eternity.

YOUR FALSE JESUS is supposedly a 'spirit brother' to your satan.

THAT 'jesus' is false. DO YOU WANT TO CLAIM THE MORMON RELIGION DOES NOT TEACH THESE THINGS?

WHERE in the Word of God (the BIBLE) does your fake 'jesus' live?


But the REAL Jesus Christ is not the mormon one.

Okay, so you don't believe the Jesus Christ of the Bible is the real one. Who is the real one, do you believe, and why should we believe in him instead?

I guess you cannot read with comprehension. . . I pointed out that the fake MORMON one is NOT THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE, and I showed you WHY.

NOW IT IS UP TO YOU to show us where the Jesus Christ of the BIBLE was ever a 'spirit baby' of your 'momma goddess" OR 'a spirit brother of satan' IN THE BIBLE where you claim YOUR 'jesus' is.

And if he is NOT THERE, then YOUR 'jesus' IS NOT THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE. HE'S NOT THERE.

joey smith lied to you.

[Erundur]

STILL trying to 'twist my words' to make them 'look like' they say something I never said.
I have no idea what you're talking about. You're the one who asked "WHICH Jesus Christ?", which only makes sense if you believe there are more than one.


Typical of mormons. They LOVE to quibble over their own lies.
Why do you think it is a lie that there is only one Jesus Christ?


The REAL BIBLICAL Jesus Christ is not the one your religion describes.
That is a lie. The biblical Jesus Christ is the one my religion describes, not your alternate one.

[Christian]

Erunder posted:


Originally Posted by ChristianSTILL trying to 'twist my words' to make them 'look like' they say something I never said.


I have no idea what you're talking about. You're the one who asked "WHICH Jesus Christ?", which only makes sense if you believe there are more than one.

I believe what JESUS said:

Matt 24:24-25
24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
NKJV

Why do you think it is a lie that there is only one Jesus Christ?

Because of what JESUS said in Matthew 24, and other places where it points out that there would be FALSE prophets (like smitty) and FALSE CHRISTS.


That is a lie. The biblical Jesus Christ is the one my religion describes, not your alternate one.

SHOW ME ONE BIBLE VERSE that says Jesus is a spirit baby with satan as His brother. The 'alternate one' is yours.

[Erundur]

I believe what JESUS said:
But you also believe in multiple Jesus Christs, which Jesus didn't say.


SHOW ME ONE BIBLE VERSE that says Jesus is a spirit baby with satan as His brother.
Why?


The 'alternate one' is yours.
Well yes, from your perspective, the Biblical Jesus Christ is alternate to your other Jesus.

[Phoenix]

The scriptures never say there will be false Jesus Christs. Read them again. False " Christs". Christ is a ***le, not Jesus' last name. In other words, people who claim to be the Messiah, not necessarily claiming to be Jesus.

That is a great point. I had never thought of that. Thanks for pointing this out.

[Phoenix]

double post

[Christian]

cog posited:

The scriptures never say there will be false Jesus Christs. Read them again. False " Christs". Christ is a ***le, not Jesus' last name

Acts 3:2-8
2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms from those who entered the temple; 3 who, seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, asked for alms. 4 And fixing his eyes on him, with John, Peter said, "Look at us." 5 So he gave them his attention, expecting to receive something from them. 6 Then Peter said, "Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk." 7 And he took him by the right hand and lifted him up, and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
NKJV


In other words, people who claim to be the Messiah, not necessarily claiming to be Jesus. There is only one Jesus Christ ever and He is the Son of the Father, that God whom we worship.


So you don't realize that the 'jesus christ' of the christian scientists (a Jesus Christ who was an 'idea of god,' but NEVER a man) is a DIFFERENT 'jesus christ' than that of the jw's who was ALWAYS a man and NEVER deity? Do YOU believe the 'jesus christ' that the white supremecists worship, who was a white anglo-saxton person, NOT a Jew, NOT Hebrew? Perhaps you believe in the same 'jesus christ' as islam believes in, who was nothing more than 'another messenger from god,' BUT NEVER DEITY?

THAT is the kind of FALSE CHRISTS that Jesus was warning of.

You know not what you worship but we do for salvation is of the covenant people.

Since I am a CHRISTIAN and follow the JESUS OF THE BIBLE, I DO know WHOM I worship. I don't worship your 'spirit-brother-of-satan-jesus,' the one joey smith invented. You won't find HIM in the BIBLE ANYWHERE. Joey smith INVENTED HIM.

You're not interested in any verse we give because you'll always claim its out of context even though you fail to prove how. We've been down this road before with you and other critics.

Dishonest excuses after excuses! Typical mormon 'runawayware.'

Make excuses and don't even TRY to find any p***ages in the Bible where GOD EVER SAID that JESUS CHRIST WAS A SPIRIT BROTHER OF SATAN.

RUN EVEN FURTHER AWAY from the OP question. . .why should we think YOURS is 'the right one' of joey smith's 150+ religions, each with their own 'prophets,' 'revelations,' and 'apostles?

RUN RUN RUN! Make excuses if you wish! Obfuscate if you fish. BUT PLEASE DON'T TRY TO ADDRESS THE REAL ISSUES (DARKENED ABOVE) AT ALL. YOU HAVE NO WAY TO DO THAT FROM THE BIBLE!

And quoting joey smith or his minions cannot convince us because they are liars.

[alanmolstad]

the world is full of false religions, false Christs....false gods...

[alanmolstad]

The scriptures never say there will be false Jesus Christs. Read them again. False " Christs". Christ is a ***le, not Jesus' last name. In other words, people who claim to be the Messiah, not necessarily claiming to be Jesus. There is only one Jesus Christ ever and He is the Son of the Father, that God whom we worship. You know not what you worship but we do for salvation is of the covenant people.

You're not interested in any verse we give because you'll always claim its out of context even though you fail to prove how. We've been down this road before with you and other critics.
most silly post I have yet read here...


There are tons and tons of false Christs....
The world's history is filled with people that at one time or another claimed to have seen a Jesus, or claimed to have been Jesus...

Mark 13:6 tells us clearly that people would come with his "name'......not just his ***le, but his "name"

We have seen this in our human history clearly happen too.
We see people stand up and claim, "I am he"

"He".......its a personal claim that they make.
They claim to be that same person.



This also is why we are told to not just trust the Spirits, but to Test them.

How do we test such spirit?, how do we test the things people claim?...by Scripture!

That is how they put the claims of Paul to the test too to see if he was telling the truth or not.
You compare the words spoken to the Bible you know to be true.

[Christian]

Yes, just like the trinity heresy.

The Father is God. . .According to the BIBLE.
Jesus is God . . .According to the BIBLE.
The Holy Spirit is God. . .According to the BIBLE.

What is 'heresy' about that?

Of course if you want HERESY, just look at the mormon god:
he used to be a man
then he became a god thru 'exaltation'
BUT
he was a god from eternity to eternity, was never NOT a god. . .

The mormon HERESY god (one of many gods they believe to be extant) is self-contradictory.

THAT is HERESY.

It is also pretty stupid, imho.

[Christian]

The trinity idea came from man, not the Bible. Read John 20:17. The Father is referred to as Jesus' God and then later, Thomas calls Jesus God. Jesus is God and then the Father is Jesus's God and our God. There's 2 Gods the Bible directly says exist and then there's the Holy Ghost. 1+1+1=3.

Then you must believe GOD LIED when He said:

Isa 43:10
10 "You are My witnesses," says the Lord,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
NKJV

Either YOUR theorizing is wrong, or the GOD OF THE BIBLE LIED.

I believe the God of the BIBLE. THAT God (the ONLY GOD, the One I serve) does not lie. Sorry about yours.

You may rationalize all you want. You may worship your god who was once a man but who was always NOT a man but was a god from eternity past to eternity future. . .your self-contradicotry mormon god.

[Christian]

erunder posted:
But you also believe in multiple Jesus Christs, which Jesus didn't say.

You are playing word games. FALSE christs exist. They are OFTEN labeled as "jesus" christs, just as joey smith's false christ is.


SHOW ME ONE BIBLE VERSE that says Jesus is a spirit baby with satan as His brother.

Why?

IF YOU CANNOT, then you CANNOT DEMONSTRATE that YOUR (& joey smith's) 'jesus christ' IS the Christ of the Bible.


Well yes, from your perspective, the Biblical Jesus Christ is alternate to your other Jesus.

More word-games. No, the BIBLICAL Jesus Christ is the ONLY REAL Jesus Christ. YOUR false 'jesus christ' and the other FALSE ones are NOT mine at all.

You like to play word games.
The TRUTH seems to be uninteresting to you.

[Phoenix]

You are playing word games.
no, he made a valid point IMO.


FALSE christs exist.
He didn't say otherwise.


They are OFTEN labeled as "jesus" christs, just as joey smith's false christ is.
So you are believer in the existence of joey smith's christ? some anti-mormons say the jesus of mormonism does not exist. but you say they are wrong, because you believe that false christs actually exist, and that joey's is one of those that actually exist. so you reject the anti-mormon theory that the jesus of mormonism doesn't exist because it is a figment of joey's imagination.

[Christian]

cog posted:

I must? No, I don't believe God lies. You have a bad habit of ignoring the scriptures. Isaiah 43:10 doesn't cancel out what it says in John 20. It was JESUS who referred to the Father as HIS AND OUR God.

Of course, despite your bleating, I have ignored NO scriptures at all.

Thomas " My Lord and my God"
John 20:26-29
26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace to you!" 27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
NKJV

And as Thomas said, JESUS IS my Lord and my God. So is the FATHER. And they are One.

John 10:27-30
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. 30 I and My Father are one."
NKJV

That's another p***age you NEGLECTED to take into consideration.


Jesus "I go to MY God and to YOUR God"
Jesus, who is God, has a God, the Father. That is directly, not implied, from the scriptures. You are completely denying what the Bible says just to justify the Trinity heresy. The Bible proves you wrong on every point.

There is a DEFINITE 'pecking order' in heaven between the PERSONS OF THE ONE GOD. Jesus submits to HIS FATHER (HIS God), The Holy Spirit submits to Jesus. THEY ARE ONE GOD.

Either that or the prophet Isaiah lied when He said only one God exists anywhere.

Isa 43:10
10 "You are My witnesses," declares the Lord,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
NASU

Isa 44:6
6 "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
NASU

Isa 44:8
8 'Do not tremble and do not be afraid;
Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it?
And you are My witnesses.
Is there any God besides Me,
Or is there any other Rock?
I know of none.'"
NASU


NOT 'implications.' NOT 'interpretations.' FLAT OUT STATEMENTS by GOD HIMSELF.

Your religious cult has lied to you.

Let's try the OP again. . .WHY SHOULD ANYONE PICK YOUR shard of smith's religions ABOVE THE OTHER 150 or so?

[Erundur]

You are playing word games.
That's false. I directly quoted you.


IF YOU CANNOT, then you CANNOT DEMONSTRATE that YOUR (& joey smith's) 'jesus christ' IS the Christ of the Bible.
No, that would mean that I cannot demonstrate that the anti-Mormon Jesus Christ is the Christ of the Bible. BTW, you have again ***erted a belief in multiple Jesus Christs.


More word-games. No, the BIBLICAL Jesus Christ is the ONLY REAL Jesus Christ. YOUR false 'jesus christ' and the other FALSE ones are NOT mine at all.
You have again ***erted a belief in multiple Jesus Christs.

[Christian]

erunder posted:

Originally Posted by ChristianYou are playing word games.


That's false. I directly quoted you.


erunder posted:
But you also believe in multiple Jesus Christs, which Jesus didn't say.

You are playing word games. FALSE christs exist. They are OFTEN labeled as "jesus" christs, just as joey smith's false christ is.

Yours slander (and cheap word game) is that I said in any way that I BELIEVED IN your false 'jesus' christs.

[/quote] IF YOU CANNOT, then you CANNOT DEMONSTRATE that YOUR (& joey smith's) 'jesus christ' IS the Christ of the Bible. [/quote]

No, that would mean that I cannot demonstrate that the anti-Mormon Jesus Christ is the Christ of the Bible. BTW, you have again ***erted a belief in multiple Jesus Christs.

Smell the smoke? That's your pants that are on fire. . .:rolleyes:

You have again ***erted a belief in multiple Jesus Christs.

The EXISTANCE of such false christs, yes, BELIEF IN ANY OF THEM, no. You are simply playing childish word-games.


Now why not answer the OP QUESTION? WHY should ANYONE pick YOUR 'smithite group' over the 150+ OTHERS?

I don't believe you can answer that question, and that is why you run away from it so fast, resorting to petty word games.

PROVE ME WRONG if you think you can. . .ANSWER THE QUESTION.

[Christian]

phoenix is playing wordgames too.

So you are believer in the existence of joey smith's christ?

Nope. I simply believe he (and you) WORSHIP an imaginary and false 'jesus christ.'

I do not believe such a REAL goddess like that exists.

your fake 'jesus is just as 'real' as joey smith's made up book of mormon fairytale, peter pan, and donald duck are.

some anti-mormons say the jesus of mormonism does not exist. but you say they are wrong, because you believe that false christs actually exist, and that joey's is one of those that actually exist. so you reject the anti-mormon theory that the jesus of mormonism doesn't exist because it is a figment of joey's imagination.

more word-games. . .worthy of joining the used toilet paper to get flushed down the toilet.

I see you have no interest in TRUTH at all. All you want to do is play word games and RUN AWAY FROM THE OP.

Let's go back to the OP. . .WHY SHOULD ANYONE ANYWHERE PICK YOUR PARTICULAR BRAND of smith's religions?

[Erundur]

Yours slander (and cheap word game) is that I said in any way that I BELIEVED IN your false 'jesus' christs.
That is a lie. I have never claimed this.

[alanmolstad]

I think all you guys need to back off and find some other topic to be in...

[Christian]

I think all you guys need to back off and find some other topic to be in...

Since all he seems to have to offer is cheap word-games. . .perhaps we should. . .

I'll start a similar but DIFFERENT thread. Perhaps soon will place erunder into my ignore list.

[Phoenix]

phoenix is playing wordgames too.
i am just trying to create an honest, clear statement from YOUR word games.

you DID say "FALSE christs exist." did you mean what you said? if not, then you are the one playing the word games.

[Christian]

i am just trying to create an honest, clear statement from YOUR word games.

you DID say "FALSE christs exist." did you mean what you said? if not, then you are the one playing the word games.

So did JESUS:

Matt 24:23-25
24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
NKJV

I believe JESUS. YOU may believe whatever you wish.

No word-games from me. YOU GUYS are the ones pretending it is not the CHRIST JESUS, or that it 'musta ment sumthin els.'

[alanmolstad]

Perhaps soon will place erunder into my ignore list.

I always tell people that have had even the slightest problem . with any guest to simply add the other person's name to their IGNORE LIST and put a stop to future problems.

I always try to give a person a warning before I put them on IGNORE...but mostof the timethe people actually were looking to be banned so being on everyone's IGNORE LIST is no big deal to such types.

One interesting thing I just learned about the Ignore List....from time to time this forum is down for maintenance and later I have to reenter the names to the list as they might be all cleaned off.,

[alanmolstad]

any many FALSE Christs exist.....

[Phoenix]

No word-games from me.
except this one: First you said that false Christs exist. You said that the Christ that Mormons believe in is a false Christ. this would lead the average reader to believe that you think the Christ of mormonism exists.

so far, so good, but then........

Then you said this, which contradicts all that:

"I simply believe he (and you) WORSHIP an imaginary and false 'jesus christ.'
I do not believe such a REAL goddess like that exists.
your fake 'jesus is just as 'real' as joey smith's made up book of mormon fairytale, peter pan, and donald duck are."

so it looks like you believe that the Christ of Mormonism both exists....and doesn't exist, since IMAGINARY things, such peter pan, don't exist.

duplicitous word games.

[alanmolstad]

except this one: First you said that false Christs exist. You said that the Christ that Mormons believe in is a false Christ. this would lead the average reader to believe that you think the Christ of mormonism exists.

so far, so good, but then........

Then you said this, which contradicts all that:

"I simply believe he (and you) WORSHIP an imaginary and false 'jesus christ.'
I do not believe such a REAL goddess like that exists.
your fake 'jesus is just as 'real' as joey smith's made up book of mormon fairytale, peter pan, and donald duck are."

so it looks like you believe that the Christ of Mormonism both exists....and doesn't exist, since IMAGINARY things, such peter pan, don't exist.

duplicitous word games.


Well,I will try to be as clear as I can then..


There are many false Christs in the world..

The Christ that all Mormons worship is a false Christ..

I believe that all Mormons worship a False Jesus Christ...

I believe that the Jesus Christ/Satan's brother that Joe Smith invented is just a dreamed up foolishness
...a big fat lie...
a steaming pile of ****....
and BS ****, all by a guy who could not keep his zipper up, and was only invented so as to allow him a chance to get younger girls into his bed...




Now that is as clear as I can make it......
Let me know if you have any doubts as to what I really think of the Mormon teachings about Jesus.....LOL

[Phoenix]

Well,I will try to be as clear as I can then..
as clear as you can be? or as offensive and disgusting as you can be?


There are many false Christs in the world..
list 10 of them.


I believe that the Jesus Christ/Satan's brother that Joe Smith invented is just a dreamed up foolishness
...a big fat lie...
but "christian" said that false Christs exist. this would lead the average reader to believe that "christian" thinks the Christ of mormonism exists.

but you think the Christ of mormonism is dreamed up, and therefore does NOT exist.


Let me know if you have any doubts as to what I really think of the Mormon teachings about Jesus.....LOL
i have doubts as to which of you is telling the truth.

[Christian]

Have you sincerely asked God if the Book of Mormon is true? If it is true, and it is, then The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the only true church on the earth. Why should you choose the Lord and His church? Because salvation and exaltation depends on it.

When I was a brand-new CHRISTIAN, I asked GOD to put me into any place and any religious ins***ution HE wanted me in. Since I lived in Pocatello, Idaho (a predominantly mormon place) I was invited to read the bom and pray to God to see if it is true. I did so with a humble and open heart. If God had led me to become a muslim, I would have. But of course He wouldn't.

The HOLY SPIRIT answered my prayers by showing me CLEARLY that the bom contradicted other writings by smith, contradicted the Bible and contradicted GOD.

Since GOD never made prayer a determiner of what is true or false, from Himself or not, He also showed me the DIFFERENCE between smith's mis-use of James 1:5 and 'knowledge' which smith CLAIMED it was talking about.

Smith didn't know his Bible. He didn't know the GOD of the Bible.

Smith was a fraud, a conman, and a heretic. Nothing better.

He didn't RESTORE anything that existed but was removed, broken, or lost. He just INVENTED a new religion.

But WHICH VERSION of that religion is the REAL ONE today according to YOU and WHY?

You APPEAR to be claiming it is the UTAH mormons. WHY NOT SOME OF THE OTHERS? What does YOUR group have that the others do NOT have?

[Christian]

cog posted:

There is a DEFINITE 'pecking order' in heaven between the PERSONS OF THE ONE GOD. Jesus submits to HIS FATHER (HIS God), The Holy Spirit submits to Jesus. THEY ARE ONE GOD.

Either that or the prophet Isaiah lied when He said only one God exists anywhere.

Isa 43:10
10 "You are My witnesses," declares the Lord,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
NASU

Isa 44:6
6 "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
NASU

Isa 44:8
8 'Do not tremble and do not be afraid;
Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it?
And you are My witnesses.
Is there any God besides Me,
Or is there any other Rock?
I know of none.'"
NASU


NOT 'implications.' NOT 'interpretations.' FLAT OUT STATEMENTS by GOD HIMSELF.

Your religious cult has lied to you.



It shows that they are separate. Being one is just being one in everything but substance.

SHOW US THE REFERENCE TO "SUBSTANCE IN ANY OF THAT SCRIPTURE. Of course you cannot; it is not there.

Do you make this junk up as you go? Your made-up junk doesn't work for you at all.

If Jesus submits to the Father,and He does, then Jesus is subordinate to the Father.

"Subordinate?" Is that BAD? My adult son submits to me. Does that CHANGE HIM? Does that MAKE HIM WORTH ANY LESS?
Naah. Neither does it change HIS SUBSTANCE OR MY OWN SUBSTANCE. Whether he submits or not, his SUBSTANCE REMAINS THE SAME.

I'm a Mormon because this is Jesus Christ's church.

PROVE IT. You cannot, of course.

I'm a member of JESUS CHRIST'S church instead. I wouldn't join your utah mormon cult, or any of the OTHER mormon cults (YOU STILL CAN'T SEEM TO COME UP WITH A REASON TO BELIEVE THAT "YOURS" IS "THE RIGHT ONE" OF THE MORMON CULTS) for the same reason I would not join the branch davidians, the muslims, or the mooneys. NONE of you belong to Jesus. You are ALL of your so-called 'spirit-brother' satan if you are a true-blue mormon.

John 8:43-45
43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
NKJV


You'd never find me joining a Protestant church because its teachings break away from scripture and are not testified of by the Spirit of God.[/QUOTE]

[Christian]

[QUOTE=Christian;163564]cog posted:


It shows that they are separate. Being one is just being one in everything but substance.

SHOW US THE REFERENCE TO "SUBSTANCE IN ANY OF THAT SCRIPTURE. Of course you cannot; it is not there.

Do you make this junk up as you go? Your made-up junk doesn't work for you at all.

If Jesus submits to the Father,and He does, then Jesus is subordinate to the Father.

"Subordinate?" Is that BAD? My adult son submits to me. Does that CHANGE HIM? Does that MAKE HIM WORTH ANY LESS?
Naah. Neither does it change HIS SUBSTANCE OR MY OWN SUBSTANCE. Whether he submits or not, his SUBSTANCE REMAINS THE SAME.

I'm a Mormon because this is Jesus Christ's church.

PROVE IT. You cannot, of course.

I'm a member of JESUS CHRIST'S church instead. I wouldn't join your utah mormon cult, or any of the OTHER mormon cults (YOU STILL CAN'T SEEM TO COME UP WITH A REASON TO BELIEVE THAT "YOURS" IS "THE RIGHT ONE" OF THE MORMON CULTS) for the same reason I would not join the branch davidians, the muslims, or the mooneys. NONE of you belong to Jesus. You are ALL of your so-called 'spirit-brother' satan if you are a true-blue mormon.

John 8:43-45
43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
NKJV


You'd never find me joining a Protestant church because its teachings break away from scripture and are not testified of by the Spirit of God.

PROVE that ONE SINGLE DOCTRINE, ONE SINGLE BELIEF TAUGHT BY CONSERVATIVE BAPTIST CHRISTIANS "breaks away' from Scripture WHICH IS TESTIMONY BY GOD.

Of course you cannot. All you can do is bleat a few of smith's imaginary 'new junk' from his made-up religion. NOTHING that SCRIPTURE supports.

Or do you just believe God didn't inspire HIS HOLY WORD?