All they can do is make excuses. . .

[Christian]

The utah mormons cannot seem to come up with ONE SINGLE REASON for anyone anywhere to choose THEIR version of smith's religion over the other 150+ or so versions that smith's religion split into. Because the utah mormons are simply ONE OF THE SPLIT-OFFS, there is no reason to think they are the RIGHT ONE for ANYONE to pick.

They MAKE EVEN MORE EXCUSES, running away from the OP.

WHY should ANYONE (mormon or not) believe the utah mormons are THE church joey smith made?

EACH of those other 150 or so religions say THEY occupy that position and that all the others (INCLUDING THE UTAH MORMONS) ARE FAKES.

[Phoenix]

The utah mormons cannot seem to come up with ONE SINGLE REASON for anyone anywhere to choose THEIR version of smith's religion over the other 150+ or so versions that smith's religion split into. Because the utah mormons are simply ONE OF THE SPLIT-OFFS, there is no reason to think they are the RIGHT ONE for ANYONE to pick.

list those excuses that you think are being made.

[Christian]

list those excuses that you think are being made.

I will, right after you list YOUR EXCUSE. . .

When you deal with the OP, then you may wander afield and try (like the rest) to obfuscate.

[Erundur]

The utah mormons cannot seem to come up with ONE SINGLE REASON for anyone anywhere to choose THEIR version of smith's religion over the other 150+ or so versions that smith's religion split into.
But then, you haven't been able to come up with a reason to choose your religion either, so at least we're no worse off than you.


Because the utah mormons are simply ONE OF THE SPLIT-OFFS, there is no reason to think they are the RIGHT ONE for ANYONE to pick.
This is objectively false. A church cannot split off from itself; that makes no sense.

[Christian]

erundur posted:

Originally Posted by Christian

The utah mormons cannot seem to come up with ONE SINGLE REASON for anyone anywhere to choose THEIR version of smith's religion over the other 150+ or so versions that smith's religion split into.


But then, you haven't been able to come up with a reason to choose your religion either, so at least we're no worse off than you.

Nobody has asked. Would you like to know why I am a member of a Conservative Baptist congregation? I'll be happy to answer you. YOU COULD EVEN START A NEW THREAD; I DID.


Because the utah mormons are simply ONE OF THE SPLIT-OFFS, there is no reason to think they are the RIGHT ONE for ANYONE to pick.

This is objectively false. A church cannot split off from itself; that makes no sense.

TRUTH that you cannot refute: SMITH'S religion split into 150+ different groups. WHY SHOULD WE CONSIDER YOURS to be "THE RIGHT ONE?" Why not just ANSWER THE QUESTION instead of running away by trying so hard to obfuscate and AVOID ANSWERING?

Would that be BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO HONEST ANSWER THAT WORKS? That's what it looks like from HERE.

[Erundur]

Nobody has asked.
I did in the other thread, but I just started a new thread.


TRUTH that you cannot refute: SMITH'S religion split into 150+ different groups. WHY SHOULD WE CONSIDER YOURS to be "THE RIGHT ONE?" Why not just ANSWER THE QUESTION instead of running away by trying so hard to obfuscate and AVOID ANSWERING?
Because you won't accept any answer we could possibly give. What's the point?

[Phoenix]

I will, right after you list YOUR EXCUSE. .
more word games? First, you throw an accusation that All they can do is make excuses. . .

but then you can't even come up with one example.

if making excuses is all we can do, why can't you find any examples?

[Christian]

more word games? First, you throw an accusation that All they can do is make excuses. . .

but then you can't even come up with one example.

if making excuses is all we can do, why can't you find any examples?

STILL RUNNING AWAY FROM THE OP, HUH?

I told you I WILL list excuses mormons have made. . .

RIGHT AFTER YOU ANSWER THE OP.

BUT YOU WOULD RATHER RUN AWAY FROM THE OP. . .Can't answer it, can you?

[Christian]

erunder posted:


Originally Posted by ChristianNobody has asked.

I did in the other thread, but I just started a new thread.

No, you did not.


Because you won't accept any answer we could possibly give. What's the point?

Just another EXCUSE, I see. IF YOU CANNOT ANSWER THE CHARGE, I understand why you are RUNNING AWAY SO FAST!

[Christian]

more word games? First, you throw an accusation that All they can do is make excuses. . .

but then you can't even come up with one example.

if making excuses is all we can do, why can't you find any examples?

Just to get you to stop whining. . .

From another post of YOURS IN THIS FORUM:


Because you won't accept any answer we could possibly give. What's the point?

THAT was YOUR excuse for not responding to the OP charge.

ONE excuse. How many more? Who knows?

[Erundur]

Just another EXCUSE, I see. IF YOU CANNOT ANSWER THE CHARGE, I understand why you are RUNNING AWAY SO FAST!

All right, here you go:

You should choose THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS over any protestant non-Christian cult. It would be INFINITELY BETTER for any protestant to change from cultism to CHRISTIANITY, of course.

[Phoenix]

Just to get you to stop whining. . .

From another post of YOURS IN THIS FORUM:

cause you won't accept any answer we could possibly give. What's the point?

THAT was YOUR excuse for not responding to the OP charge.



where is the link to it?

[Christian]

All right, here you go:

You should choose THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS over any protestant non-Christian cult. It would be INFINITELY BETTER for any protestant to change from cultism to CHRISTIANITY, of course.

We have shown that the writings of joey smith are self-contradictory and contradict the Bible. . .demonstrating his false religion to be a cult.

Please SHOW US how CHRIST'S church can be a cult?

You have made a claim. . .not let's see if you can back it up.

[Christian]

child posted:

Originally Posted by ChristianWe have shown that the writings of joey smith are self-contradictory and contradict the Bible. . .demonstrating his false religion to be a cult.

Please SHOW US how CHRIST'S church can be a cult?

You have made a claim. . .not let's see if you can back it up.


You've stated your own opinions which are not really your own because they're the same that's been said by all critics of the church.

So by YOUR illogical 'logic' YOUR opinion that joe smith was a fine young man is NOT YOUR OPINION because others have also held that opinion? :rolleyes:

Sorry child, but your 'logic' doesn't fly. Just because others have held the opinions I hold does not mean that my own opinions are not my own. It simply means they agree with me.

Every time you TRY to prove we are wrong you are the one who is proven wrong because you have no knowledge of what the scriptures mean or of their history.

Yah, yah, we KNOW you are the 'expert,' and nobody knows anything but YOU. . .

Sorry kid, but your nonsense doesn't fly. The TRUTH is that I am a CHRISTIAN with the Holy Spirit alive and well inside me, and because I have studied (and continue to do so) the WORD OF GOD (the BIBLE) for over 50 years, am totally committed to the GOD OF THAT BIBLE, you clearly have NO CLUE of which you bleat.

How long have YOU studied YOUR BIBLE? Why don't YOU know more than you do, IN REALITY? Do you EVEN OPEN YOUR BIBLE more than once a month?

Protestantism has never been part of Christ's church because its teachings are nonexistent in the scriptures.

CHRISTIANITY is not the roman catholic group called "protestantism." Your ignorance of the subject is showing.

Please show us ONE REAL THING JOEY SMITH ACTUALLY RESTORED that was ever lost or removed from the earth by CHRIST'S church. BETCHA CAN'T!
They are from traditions mixed with twisting the scriptures.

PROVE IT. You can't because all you are doing is parroting your cult's 'party line.'

It came from the Reformation which happened because of the Great Apostasy, something your founders believed in and you do not.

Please DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you spout your ignorance!

Goes to show you don't believe the same thing that was the premise of the formation of Protestantism.

Why would we believe what the NON-CHRISTIAN catholic religion invented. . .this 'protestantism?'

What all this 'goes to show' IN REALITY is that YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHICH YOU SPEAK!

PLEASE DO SOME HONEST HOMEWORK! Don't depend upon the parroted 'party line' for your study, but study REAL HISTORY and REAL CHRISTIANITY instead of ignorance from your cult's own ignorance.

[Christian]

still nothing but excuses. . .

[Christian]

No comment on what I said on the other discussion board?

Perhaps if you cut and pasted it here, I would know what you are talking about.

I think I have answered your every post. . .some multiple times since this board has 'dropped' my responses at least 5 times in the last three days. . .perhaps because my responses were too complete, therefore too long. . .

So why are you making excuses to run away from the OP?

Are you simply UNABLE to respond intelligently?

[Christian]

You answered nothing. As far as cutting and pasting what I said, no. You asked to provide evidence for certain things and I did ON THE THREAD YOU ASKED FOR THEM. If you want to see the answers, go read them. You know where they are.

The TRUTH is that your SUPPOSED ANSWERS ARE NOT THERE. IF you had them, you COULD post them now. The FACT that you CANNOT post them now demonstrates the falsehood of your claim.

[Christian]

Originally Posted by Christian Just to get you to stop whining. . .

From another post of YOURS IN THIS FORUM:

cause you won't accept any answer we could possibly give. What's the point?

THAT was YOUR excuse for not responding to the OP charge.



where is the link to it?

Don't need one. It is from a post of YOURS one or two back. That's all you would have to look at. . .

Sorry, but I don't know how to post links between posts here.

And YOU have nothing but excuses.

Are you trying to DENY you said that? So NOW wHaT IS YOUR EXCUSE for not reponding to the OP charge? Why not deal with the OP instead of whining, making excuses, and running away from the OP?

[Phoenix]

Don't need one.
so you think you can tell another poster "You said _____" without any obligation to back it up?


It is from a post of YOURS one or two back. That's all you would have to look at. . .
so now i have to read through every post i made in the past 2 weeks? And that's your version of backing up accusations you make???

you obviously know the exact location of the post you quoted....how else would you have been able to provide the quote? so what prevents you from revealing which thread you got the post from, for starters?


Sorry, but I don't know how to post links between posts here.
you don't know how copy and paste the string of text that's in the URL box at the top of your screen?


if that's true, what prevents you from just telling me the ***le of the thread, and on which page in that thread the post is located? why is that impossible? Or even hard to do?


And YOU have nothing but excuses.
so far, what i see are a bunch of lame excuses from you as to why you are unable to back up your claim. "I don't know how to post links..." REALLY? How is that NOT an E X C U S E ??

[alanmolstad]

When someone tells people that they don't know how to post links onto the forum, it is a great opportunity for the very same people they were in a conversation with to come to their aid and show them how to post links.

Give them examples....

Then ask them to post a link following your directions for a test to make sure they got the system down.

[theway]

The utah mormons cannot seem to come up with ONE SINGLE REASON for anyone anywhere to choose THEIR version of smith's religion over the other 150+ or so versions that smith's religion split into. Because the utah mormons are simply ONE OF THE SPLIT-OFFS, there is no reason to think they are the RIGHT ONE for ANYONE to pick.Im sorry, I have not made any excuses... I even gave a detailed reason along with references and facts on more than three occasions for you on this topic.

Your avoidance of the truth by getting in the fetal position and repeating "it's not true, it's not true" does not cons***ute an excuse on our part.

[Christian]

child posted:

<snip> I removed all the excuse you made by pretending I am somehow lazy. Your claim was so ignorant that it doesn't warrant bothering with an answer.


I'll do you a favor. Since you're too lazy to go to the answers you asked for, not to mention insecure in your faith, here's the link to the posts.
http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?3582-Which-mormon-religion-is-the-right-one/page9[/QUOTE]

More EXCUSES. I saw NOTHING IN THAT WHOLE THREAD FROM YOU that was a CITATION about YOUR ALLEGED CLAIM that Martin Luther supposedly claimed that Christianity didn't exist, or that Jesus had failed to build a church THAT WOULD LAST.

As for your DESPERATE ***UMPTION that I must be 'insecure in [my] faith,' you provided us with a good laugh.

JUST MORE EXCUSES FROM YOU.

SHOW US YOUR luther citation or ADMIT THAT YOU CANNOT DO SO.

In the meantime, we can all see that ALL YOU HAVE IS. . .

EXCUSES!

[Christian]

Im sorry, I have not made any excuses... I even gave a detailed reason along with references and facts on more than three occasions for you on this topic.

Your avoidance of the truth by getting in the fetal position and repeating "it's not true, it's not true" does not cons***ute an excuse on our part.

IF as you claim you have not made any excuses, then YOU MUST BE AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. Others have. 'Childofgod' CERTAINLY HAS, and has been doing so for quite a while now, making excuses for not being able to CITE his claim so we can CHECK IT TO SEE IF HIS CLAIM HAS ANY TRUTH TO IT AT ALL.

As to the position I am sitting in (in my chair), you cannot SEE me OR the position I am sitting in, and when you make up such FALSE CLAIMS that tells us who your father is (and YOU KNOW WHO THE FATHER OF LIES IS, don't you?)

But you are showing the typical behavior of a typical cultist. switch to a personal attack after CLAIMING to have answered charges.

I see that you are ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuning!

[Christian]

Not knowing how to post links is an excuse for not being able to back yourself up. You tell people to give evidence for their beliefs. They do, you move to another post to avoid seeing why you are wrong, tell the person to copy and paste their post to the new thread you move to, if they don't then somehow that means they automatically don't have any answers, but turn it around and you're supposed to be able to get off by saying "I don't know how to do that" when we ask you to provide evidence for your claims.

You are the one with excuses. I dare you to go to the post I gave on YOUR other thread.

Since I cannot post a link (I don't know how, don't have time for the learning curve), I OFTEN DO CUT AND PASTE the evidence I use MANY TIMES.

IF YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO DO SO, that is not my fault.

I have spoken three languages in my lifetime, two of them fluently, the third conversationally. I have known three different programming languages well enough to have used them effectively (of course nobody uses COBOL any more. . .) I won't bother to learn the set of commands for THIS SITE just for your lazy characterizations.

[Phoenix]

When someone tells people that they don't know how to post links onto the forum, it is a great opportunity for the very same people they were in a conversation with to come to their aid and show them how to post links.

Give them examples....

Then ask them to post a link following your directions for a test to make sure they got the system down.

I just block the line of script in the URL box at the top of the screen, click "copy" and then "paste" it into my post

[alanmolstad]

I just block the line of script in the URL box at the top of the screen, click "copy" and then "paste" it into my post


Ever drop back and read this sentence , from the stand point of someone that might not know too much about computer stuff?
Its like a secret code....

[Phoenix]

Ever drop back and read this sentence , from the stand point of someone that might not know too much about computer stuff?
Its like a secret code....

If they know enough that they can join the forum and post stuff, will they really not know about copying and pasting? Most mouses have a right-click ****on on them.

Feel free to explain the secret code to him. I will watch and learn.

[Christian]

"I have sought nothing beyond reforming the Church in conformity with the Holy Scriptures. The spiritual powers have been not only corrupted by sin, but absolutely destroyed; so that there is now nothing in them but a depraved reason and a will that is the enemy and opponent of God. I simply say that Christianity has ceased to exist among those who should have preserved it. (Luther and His Times, p. 509)."

What did you say about no proof? I am curious as to how you will completely ignore this just like you ignore everything else we say just because that's what you've been taught to do.

Date? Publisher? ISBN number? AUTHOR?

Sorry, but that is a quotation (maybe), NOT A CITATION.

I guess you never learned how to properly CITE documents or people in Junior High School. . .

Why should we believe you copied it correctly?
Why should we believe that the author of Luther copied it correctly?

YOU DON'T EVEN TELL US WHO WROTE THE DOCUMENT.

Your "citation" is a FRAUD. YOU NEVER ACTUALLY CITED ANYTHING. AT BEST you only "quoted' something unknown.

And

IF IT IS CORRECTLY DONE, LUTHER NEVER SAID CHRISTIANITY HAS CEASED TO EXIST AT ALL! YOU apparently INTENTIONALLY MISQUOTED HIM, leaving out the part about the roman catholic church that Luther would have been referring to as 'those who should have preserved it.'

I can easily see how little I should trust your so-called 'citations!' :rolleyes:

It is CLEAR that Christianity had ceased to exist IN THE CATHOLIC RELIGION, but NOT ELSEWHERE.
Sorry, but the mormon religion hadn't even been INVENTED YET! Joey smith wasn't even born yet! And despite joey smith's lies and stupidity, CHRISTIANITY HAS BEEN ALIVE AND WELL for about 2,000 years now.

[Christian]

cog quoted a quotation by an UNKNOWN AUTHOR who supposedly quoted a quotation by LUTHER, where or when or under circumstances UNKNOWN. . .

And cog considered THAT glarp to be a "citation" of Luther. . .

REAL citations of what people say are FAR BETTER THAN THAT!

[Christian]

LOTS of attempted OBFUSCATIONS. EXCUSES.

BUT NOT ONE REAL REASON TO BELIEVE THEIR VERSION IS 'THE RIGHT ONE' of smith's religions, the ONLY REAL ONE of his religions. . .

NOT ONE VALID REASON. . .JUST MORE EXCUSES.

[Phoenix]

Date? Publisher? ISBN number? AUTHOR?
(In Galat. [1535] Weins IX, P.I. 293, 24-27, p. 50; Luther and His Times, p. 509; Martin Luther, p. 188)

As cited by Kenneth Cope Ministries in their interesting article that mentions Luther's perceptive observation.

"...after the Lord’s death and resurrection, it was only a matter of time before those in opposition to this new kingdom found a way to suppress it.

The apostles and prophets were slain for their testimony and the flow of divine revelation through the Savior’s authorized servants came to an end.

By the sixteenth century Martin Luther observed, “The spiritual powers [of the Church] have been not only corrupted…but absolutely destroyed….Christianity has ceased to exist among those who should have preserved it” (In Galat. [1535] Weins IX, P.I. 293, 24-27, p. 50; Luther and His Times, p. 509; Martin Luther, p. 188).


It is CLEAR that Christianity had ceased to exist IN THE CATHOLIC RELIGION
it wasn't clear to most 16th-century catholics, and it's not clear to most 21st-century catholics, either, seeing as how there are still more catholics in christianity than there are protestants.


Sorry, but the mormon religion hadn't even been INVENTED YET! Joey smith wasn't even born yet!
exactly. so joey smith was not the first Christian to notice that christianity had gone astray. anti-mormons just like pretending that he was, because they don't want to attack their own people such as Luther, Williams, or Wesley.

[Christian]

child posted:


Originally Posted by Christiancog quoted a quotation by an UNKNOWN AUTHOR who supposedly quoted a quotation by LUTHER, where or when or under circumstances UNKNOWN. . .

And cog considered THAT glarp to be a "citation" of Luther. . .

REAL citations of what people say are FAR BETTER THAN THAT!


Until you stop ignoring everything we say just because we're Mormons, I will not take anything you say seriously.

If I ever START doing that, I'll let you know.

And IF you ever pose anything WORTH examining, I will examine it.


You're here to argue and that's it. You're not here for Christ, you're here for yourself and to try and persuade us to leave the church. I will never do so because of my faith in Jesus Christ.

SUCH A FALSEHOOD!!!! I am here for the LURKERS, not myself, TO DEMONSTRATE TO THEM the falsehoods of your false religion and phoney 'arguments.'

Since YOU have NO CLUE AT ALL about my motives, for you to TELL SUCH A LIE about my reason for being here is inexcusable, but easy to understand since your religion was built by the FATHER OF LIES.

Not some deity created by councils now known as the trinity mess, but the one the scriptures testify of.

You obviously HAVE NO CLUE what the TRINITY is, or why we call God that. INSTEAD, mormons follow a 'pappy god' who was once a man, BECAME a god through joey smith's made-up 'exaltation,' BUT WAS ALWAYS A GOD, from eternity past to eternity future.

Talk about a deity created by MEN that is A REAL MESS, YOUR god(s) are the ULTIMATE mess.

You've never backed yourself on anything nor have you debunked anything we have said.

Quoting SCRIPTURE that says there is only ONE GOD ANYWHERE when your cult sez there MANY real gods on MANY planets and YOU TOO CAN BECOME ONE (remember SATAN's plots?) is NOT debunking your falsehood.

And QUOTING (cutting and pasting) BIBLE p***ages, and verses from your (proven to be fraud) pgp 'book of abraham' is NOT backing myself up?

Yaaaah. . .SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUre!

You would rip pages out of the Bible if you saw something that supports what we believe.

Only if I saw you standing on your head in a dungheap. Naah, I wouldn't even do that if I saw you do that.

The thing is, the entire, not just part, Bible shows what we believe is true

IF you are telling the truth you should be able to SHOW US IN THE BIBLE:

EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN member of GOD'S AARONIC PRIESTHOOD
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN member of the MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST AND MELCHIZEDEK HIMSELF.
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us that any 'priesthood authority' runs the church
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us about marriage being forever
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us about 'forever families'
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us that three 'gods' 'organized' the earth.

Of course you cannot because you are not speaking the truth. . .typical cult behavior.


and there is nothing you or any other critic can do about that.

The best part is God himself, through the Holy Ghost, has told me the Book of Mormon is true. That means anything you say against it is false and you openly rebel against that God which gives life.

That is the SAD part, that some demon told you that. THE TRUTH IS that God told ME (AND MANY OTHERS) through the REAL Holy Ghost that your bom is a lie, its author joey smith was a liar, and a false prophet

So either YOUR god is a liar and contradicts Himself, or YOUR DEMON lied to you.

And the SADDEST PART is that you have NO REASON TO BELIEVE YOUR DEMON except that 'you want to.' GOD had no part in your choice.

I <snipped> your rant. It was made because I pointed out that YOU DID NOT KNOW WHAT A PROPER CITATION OF A DOCUMENT OR PERSON'S STATEMENT LOOKED LIKE, so you went off on a personal rant against me. That is a logical fallacy known as 'attacking the messenger.' LOOK IT UP if you aren't too lazy.

[Christian]

child posted:

Until you stop ignoring everything we say just because we're Mormons, I will not take anything you say seriously. You're here to argue and that's it. You're not here for Christ, you're here for yourself and to try and persuade us to leave the church.

I never attacked you or went off on a rant. You keep making FALSE accusations about who we are and what we believe. You also make claims about what the Bible says and then you give your version of what it says. Yes, you've quoted scripture. Who provided the explanations? I did. All you did was copy and paste the verses themselves. You have never promoted Christ or salvation on here.

Do you DENY that you made the above claims, ranted against ME PERSONALLY about what YOU CLAIMED I do?
TRUTH must not mean much to you. . .

The TRUTH is that I have made NO accusations you hve demonstrated to be FALSE.

I HAVE ACCUSED YOU OF BEING ABLE TO SHOW FROM THE BIBLE (as YOU CLAIMED YOU COULD)

EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN member of GOD'S AARONIC PRIESTHOOD
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN member of the MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST AND MELCHIZEDEK HIMSELF.
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us that any 'priesthood authority' runs the church
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us about marriage being forever
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us about 'forever families'
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us that three 'gods' 'organized' the earth.

YOU CLAIMED that junk was all in the Bible. Yet YOU cannot find ANY OF THAT DUNG IN THERE. NEITHER have you claimed that your mormon religion DOESN'T believe every one of those things.

IF YOU TOLD THE TRUTH, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SHOW US IN THE BIBLE EACH OF THOSE THINGS.

Instead all you can do is whine in a personal attack against me, FALSELY CLAIMING that I have never substantiated anything. . .

so SHOW US, if you think you can.

[Christian]

phoenix posted:
In Galat. [1535] Weins IX, P.I. 293, 24-27, p. 50; Luther and His Times, p. 509; Martin Luther, p. 188)

As cited by Kenneth Cope Ministries in their interesting article that mentions Luther's perceptive observation.

Martin Luther didn't write 'Luther and His Times,' Ernest Schwiebert did. Luther wrote OTHER things. And whether the error (and LOUSY citation method) was yours, coplelands, or harry potters, IT STILL never said CHRISTIANITY WAS DEAD, it said Christianity was dead IN THE RCC RELIGION.

"...after the Lord’s death and resurrection, it was only a matter of time before those in opposition to this new kingdom found a way to suppress it.

The apostles and prophets were slain for their testimony and the flow of divine revelation through the Savior’s authorized servants came to an end.

Yah, WE KNOW you must think joey smith was a real smarty, so smart that he could build a church that would last forever, but GOD COULD NOT. WHAT A STUPID IDEA IS THAT?

Sorry, but your godlets are too small.

Joey's made up 'Savior's auhorized servants' EVER being limited to the Apostles is a pathetic JOKE and an outright LIE.

[Christian]

My point proven. The quote is given and you still ignore it. Heck, copy and paste the quote onto Google's search engine and check out the results. There's more than one way to verify a VALID and LEGITIMATE quote. I stand proven to be right; Martin Luther said Christianity ceased to exist, an event that triggered the Great Apostasy. Excuses are all you have. You've given no proof for anything while we back our every word. I gave you the citation. Now you're changing it to a bibliography. I guess you don't know the difference.

Let's see now. . .you are quoting copeland who is supposedly quoting Ernest Schwiebert's book, (NOT written by Martin Luther at all), and you want us to accept it as a CITATION?

Sorry, THAT'S ASKING FOR A CITATION, NOT A BIBLIOGRAPHY. And THAT is getting THIRD LEVEL ERROR instead of CITING LUTHER HIMSELF (THE REAL SOURCE)

Sorry, but your ignorance of CITING LUTHER is underwhelming.

And the 'citation' doesnt even say what you claim. IT SAYS that Christianity had disappeared entirely FROM THE ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIGION, NOT FROM THE WHOLE WORLD OUTSIDE OF THAT RELIGION.

Your claim is pathetic!

[Christian]

[quote] Originally Posted by ChristianLet's see now. . .you are quoting copeland who is supposedly quoting Ernest Schwiebert's book, (NOT written by Martin Luther at all), and you want us to accept it as a CITATION?

Sorry, THAT'S ASKING FOR A CITATION, NOT A BIBLIOGRAPHY. And THAT is getting THIRD LEVEL ERROR instead of CITING LUTHER HIMSELF (THE REAL SOURCE)

Sorry, but your ignorance of CITING LUTHER is underwhelming.

And the 'citation' doesnt even say what you claim. IT SAYS that Christianity had disappeared entirely FROM THE ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIGION, NOT FROM THE WHOLE WORLD OUTSIDE OF THAT RELIGION.

Your claim is pathetic!


Yet I actually back up my claims while you run at the sight of you being proven to be wrong every time. Saying you're not here for Christ is not an attack, it is a fact. If you were here for Christ you would not be contentious as you have been. Contention is of the devil.

You did no such thing. YOU CLAIMED you "CITED" Martin Luther SAYING THAT, yet in reality you are quoting copeland who is supposedly quoting Ernest Schwiebert's book, (NOT written by Martin Luther at all), and you want us to accept it as a CITATION.

Your claim REMAINS pathetic.

And as for the FALSE ***UMPTIONS that you make regarding my reasons for being here, you are nothing more than a contentious POT calling a kettle BLACK.

"IF YOU were here for Christ. . ." your IGNORANT ***UMPTION, nothing more. IF THAT is the best you can do, your claim REMAINS A PATHETIC EXCUSE for not being able to defend your false prophet OR his false doctrines.

[Christian]

HE STILL CANNOT SHOW US FROM THE BIBLE (as he said he could)

EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN member of GOD'S AARONIC PRIESTHOOD
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN member of the MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST AND MELCHIZEDEK HIMSELF.
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us that any 'priesthood authority' runs the church
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us about marriage being forever
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us about 'forever families'
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us that three 'gods' 'organized' the earth.

IF he tries to respond to this post, he will probably make more excuses, try to obfuscate (another form of excuses) and/or try to change the subject to RUN AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT, of course

[Phoenix]

Martin Luther didn't write 'Luther and His Times,' Ernest Schwiebert did.
There were FOUR different books cited as the source of the quote. Are you accusing all of them of lying?

[Christian]

There were FOUR different books cited as the source of the quote. Are you accusing all of them of lying?

What other three wee 'cited?' Luther and His Times was NOT written as presented, by Martin Luther at all. It was written by Ernest Schwiebert.

I don't remember SEEING any other books 'cited' anywhere. Perhaps you could REPOST THEIR CITATIONS SO WE CAN CHECK. . .

[Phoenix]

What other three wee 'cited?' Luther and His Times was NOT written as presented, by Martin Luther at all. It was written by Ernest Schwiebert.

I don't remember SEEING any other books 'cited' anywhere. Perhaps you could REPOST THEIR CITATIONS SO WE CAN CHECK. . .

I don't need to re-post them. they are still there, in post 38, one page back (page 2). i think Kenneth Cope Ministries is citing only three, not four sources, now that i look more closely. here they are again:

1. In Galat. [1535] Weins IX, P.I. 293, 24-27, p. 50;

2. Luther and His Times, p. 509;

3. Martin Luther, p. 188

I am looking into these sources to see how reliable they are.

[Christian]

I don't need to re-post them. they are still there, in post 38, one page back (page 2). i think Kenneth Cope Ministries is citing only three, not four sources, now that i look more closely. here they are again:

1. In Galat. [1535] Weins IX, P.I. 293, 24-27, p. 50;

2. Luther and His Times, p. 509;

3. Martin Luther, p. 188

I am looking into these sources to see how reliable they are.

TOTALLY UNRELIABLE, from a book by Weins on a MORMON webside, ALL of your first page is ONE FALSE citation.

ALL of your 3 pieces of junk are from the FIRST page of junk

Try again. If you can't do better than that you are STILL STUCK WITH. . .NOTHING to support the false claim.

[Phoenix]

]TOTALLY UNRELIABLE, from a book by Weins on a MORMON webside, ALL of your first page is ONE FALSE citation. ALL of your 3 pieces of junk are from the FIRST page of junk

uh, i hate to break this news to you, but kenneth cope ministries is not a mormon website....

[Christian]

uh, i hate to break this news to you, but kenneth cope ministries is not a mormon website....

Let's see now. . .the WEBSITE is Weebly.com

HERE is one of their pages. Click on the 'home' ****on on that webpage to see their FRONT page. Look for yourself. THEN tell us it was a kenneth copeland website.

http://nwseminaryshare.weebly.com/book-of-mormon-teaching-ideas.html

[Christian]

Let's see now. . .the WEBSITE is Weebly.com

HERE is one of their pages. Click on the 'home' ****on on that webpage to see their FRONT page. Look for yourself. THEN tell us it was a kenneth copeland website.

http://nwseminaryshare.weebly.com/book-of-mormon-teaching-ideas.html

Nope, you are CAUGHT in your pathetic effort to use a MORMON website, INCORRECTLY QUOTED in your pathetic effort to try to support your FALSE CLAIM.

One I might add, that also demonstrates the BAD attempt by your mormon website to 'cite' something without actually doing so. We use REAL citations so our quotations may be CHECKED FOR AUTHENTICITY. YOU cannot do that from what they present.

[Phoenix]

Let's see now. . .the WEBSITE is Weebly.com
i have never heard of weebly.com

in my previous post i said "I am looking into these sources to see how reliable they are. "

this is part of what i have found: one of the comments about Luther came from this site:

http://kennethcope.com/thy-kingdom-come-2/

my mistake was in not noticing that Kenneth Cope and Kenneth Copeland are 2 different people.

one is an LDS Christian musician, and the other is the charismatic Christian minister and musician.

http://www.kcm.org/


So getting the two mixed up was a mistake i made.

[alanmolstad]

Let's see now. . .the WEBSITE is Weebly.com

HERE is one of their pages. Click on the 'home' ****on on that webpage to see their FRONT page. Look for yourself. THEN tell us it was a kenneth copeland website.

http://nwseminaryshare.weebly.com/book-of-mormon-teaching-ideas.html

Nope, you are CAUGHT in your pathetic effort to use a MORMON website, INCORRECTLY QUOTED in your pathetic effort to try to support your FALSE CLAIM.

One I might add, that also demonstrates the BAD attempt by your mormon website to 'cite' something without actually doing so. We use REAL citations so our quotations may be CHECKED FOR AUTHENTICITY. YOU cannot do that from what they present.

well said!

[Christian]

cog posted
Originally Posted by Christian

Let's see now. . .the WEBSITE is Weebly.com

HERE is one of their pages. Click on the 'home' ****on on that webpage to see their FRONT page. Look for yourself. THEN tell us it was a kenneth copeland website.

http://nwseminaryshare.weebly.com/bo...ing-ideas.html

Nope, you are CAUGHT in your pathetic effort to use a MORMON website, INCORRECTLY QUOTED in your pathetic effort to try to support your FALSE CLAIM.

One I might add, that also demonstrates the BAD attempt by your mormon website to 'cite' something without actually doing so. We use REAL citations so our quotations may be CHECKED FOR AUTHENTICITY. YOU cannot do that from what they present.

No, I don't run.

You certainly DO so. You STILL cannot find:


Originally Posted by Christian


HE STILL CANNOT SHOW US FROM THE BIBLE (as he said he could)

EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN member of GOD'S AARONIC PRIESTHOOD
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN member of the MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST AND MELCHIZEDEK HIMSELF.
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us that any 'priesthood authority' runs the church
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us about marriage being forever
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us about 'forever families'
EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN telling us that three 'gods' 'organized' the earth.

IF he tries to respond to this post, he will probably make more excuses, try to obfuscate (another form of excuses) and/or try to change the subject to RUN AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT, of course


YOUR CULT CLAIMED IT 'restored' these things from before, and YOU said you could SHOW IT FROM THE BIBLE.

But of course, you cannot. So you run by making excuses.

You already occupy that position on this forum. Who's ***uming now?

You are. You are whining and crying as an EXCUSE TO NOT TRY TO SHOW US these mormon doctrines that YOU SAID YOU COULD SHOW CAME FROM THE BIBLE.

SO FAR YOU HAVE FAILED MISURABLY.

You think I'll just copy you by making off the wall excuses. This is another thing you've conveniently overlooked; I already provided verses from the Bible about these principles. What did you do? Say nothing.

PRETENDING that you 'already provided verses from the BIBLE' is simply a LIE that you CLAIM but cannot show.

No, you have NEVER FOUND ANY OF THOSE THINGS IN THE BIBLE. YOU CLAIM you have, but YOU CANNOT. So you make the EXCUSE that you did.

By the way, nobody can show one Christian from the Bible saying multiple gods created the earth because the covenant people of the Old Testament were Jews.

Let's see now. . .NOT ONE CHRISTIAN BELIEVES that multiple gods created the earth, thus NOT ONE CHRISTIAN would EVER MAKE SUCH A CLAIM.

FYI, you've never given any support for your claims.

Are you DENYING that your religion teaches the things I listed? Are you DENYING that your cult believes ALL of those 'mormon specific' doctrines?

Your cult made the claim. YOU made the claim they were all in the Bible. It is up to YOU to prove your case, not for me to prove your case. HOW STUPID IS THAT?

Before you accuse others of not doing that, even though we do and you just run away, you need to back yourself first. You haven't because you can't. We have because we can.

EXACTLY WHAT do you think I should 'back up?' That YOUR RELIGION believes in those doctrines? That YOU said they were 'biblical?' What?

YOUR RELIGION TEACHES THOSE THINGS. YOU claim they are 'biblical'

And all you can do to 'prove your point' is make excuses. YOU CANNOT FIND THEM IN THE BIBLE ANYWHERE.

[Christian]

the kid posted:


Originally Posted by Christian

Let's see now. . .the WEBSITE is Weebly.com

HERE is one of their pages. Click on the 'home' ****on on that webpage to see their FRONT page. Look for yourself. THEN tell us it was a kenneth copeland website.

http://nwseminaryshare.weebly.com/bo...ing-ideas.html (http://nwseminaryshare.weebly.com/bo...ing-ideas.html)

Nope, you are CAUGHT in your pathetic effort to use a MORMON website, INCORRECTLY QUOTED in your pathetic effort to try to support your FALSE CLAIM.

One I might add, that also demonstrates the BAD attempt by your mormon website to 'cite' something without actually doing so. We use REAL citations so our quotations may be CHECKED FOR AUTHENTICITY. YOU cannot do that from what they present.

First, using black, outside your usual blue, font to emphasize something doesn't have any meaning. I gave a citation and you decided to ignore it like everything else.

AND AS I SHOWED YOU (not ignoring it at all) YOUR CITATION WAS A LIE. Of course YOU ignored the proof that I gave from your MORMON site with its' false citation' that you were too stupid to understand

I never attacked you and I never made an ***umption. I've read your posts. I'm not new to this forum or to critics of the church. I've been here for years and have encountered every anti-Mormon remark possible. Your posts do not promote Christ because they do not invite the Holy Spirit, they repel Him.

YOUR meaningless drivel doesn't invite GOD AT ALL; it merely tries to support YOUR HERETICAL CULT and its false {non-prophet) 'prophets.'

My posts are not evangelistic in nature. They are ATTACKS AGAINST THE FALSE RELIGIONS and their HERETICAL DOCTRINES. YOURS is no exception.

BTW, the Holy Spirit is alive and well EVERY MOMENT OF MY LIFE, living within me as He lives within every one of us CHRISTIANS. Of course he does not live in your cults.

I don't ***ume things, I ****yze how people are and then see why.

THEN YOU ARE A FAILURE. Your '****ysis' of how I am is pathetically off.

You want to get people like myself to leave Christ and His church

Nope. People like YOU aren't interested in the TRUTH as far as I can see. They are ONLY interested in supporting THEIR OWN STATIS QUO. GOD is not really part of that. . .you seem to be happy following a FALSE BUNCH OF GODS.

following this type of action, you desire for us to embrace the trinity theology so we believe in your version of Christ's deity

Thank you for trying to tell me what I desire. OF COURSE YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE about which you speak.

I DO promote the REAL Jesus Christ, HIS Father, and the Holy Spirit, Who ARE ONE GOD (the position held by GENUINE CHRISTIANS for about 2,000 years now. NOT the position held by david koresh, joe smith, jim jones of jonestown, or you, obviously. You CULTISTS cannot understand the TRUTH.

New Age Christians say just believe in Jesus and you're saved but you later add "but you must deny this, abandon that" thus contradicting yourselves.

I am not a 'new age' anything. Never have been. I follow the SAME CHRIST WHO HAS LED US (HIS CHURCH) FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS NOW.

I don't need to look for some 'new age religion' such as joey smith's religion that has only been around LESS THAN A COUPLE HUNDRED YEARS. HE is the 'new' one here!

The moment someone shows you are wrong, you hide by skipping any dialogue about the said post by just going to another thread. I showed you are wrong in the Which Mormon... thread and you came here because you had no defense and still have no defense.

You have NEVER shown EVEN ONE REASON TO BELIEVE that the 'utah mormons' are the original church joey smith invented. . .THUS YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN ME WRONG AT ALL in that matter.

When you CLAIM I am wrong, I bring out scripture that demonstrates the TRUTH, that you don't know what you are talking about.

YOUR CULT claimed all of those things. YOUR CULT teaches and believes the things I listed. IT IS UP TO YOU to "prove your case"

BUT ALL YOU CAN DO IS WHINE AND MAKE EXCUSES. . .

[Christian]

the kid posted:


Originally Posted by Christian

Let's see now. . .the WEBSITE is Weebly.com

HERE is one of their pages. Click on the 'home' ****on on that webpage to see their FRONT page. Look for yourself. THEN tell us it was a kenneth copeland website.

http://nwseminaryshare.weebly.com/bo...ing-ideas.html (http://nwseminaryshare.weebly.com/bo...ing-ideas.html)

Nope, you are CAUGHT in your pathetic effort to use a MORMON website, INCORRECTLY QUOTED in your pathetic effort to try to support your FALSE CLAIM.

One I might add, that also demonstrates the BAD attempt by your mormon website to 'cite' something without actually doing so. We use REAL citations so our quotations may be CHECKED FOR AUTHENTICITY. YOU cannot do that from what they present.

First, using black, outside your usual blue, font to emphasize something doesn't have any meaning. I gave a citation and you decided to ignore it like everything else.

AND AS I SHOWED YOU (not ignoring it at all) YOUR CITATION WAS A LIE. Of course YOU ignored the proof that I gave from your MORMON site with its' false citation' that you were too stupid to understand

I never attacked you and I never made an ***umption. I've read your posts. I'm not new to this forum or to critics of the church. I've been here for years and have encountered every anti-Mormon remark possible. Your posts do not promote Christ because they do not invite the Holy Spirit, they repel Him.

YOUR meaningless drivel doesn't invite GOD AT ALL; it merely tries to support YOUR HERETICAL CULT and its false {non-prophet) 'prophets.'

My posts are not evangelistic in nature. They are ATTACKS AGAINST THE FALSE RELIGIONS and their HERETICAL DOCTRINES. YOURS is no exception.

BTW, the Holy Spirit is alive and well EVERY MOMENT OF MY LIFE, living within me as He lives within every one of us CHRISTIANS. Of course he does not live in your cults.

I don't ***ume things, I ****yze how people are and then see why.

THEN YOU ARE A FAILURE. Your '****ysis' of how I am is pathetically off.

You want to get people like myself to leave Christ and His church

Nope. People like YOU aren't interested in the TRUTH as far as I can see. They are ONLY interested in supporting THEIR OWN STATIS QUO. GOD is not really part of that. . .you seem to be happy following a FALSE BUNCH OF GODS.

following this type of action, you desire for us to embrace the trinity theology so we believe in your version of Christ's deity

Thank you for trying to tell me what I desire. OF COURSE YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE about which you speak.

I DO promote the REAL Jesus Christ, HIS Father, and the Holy Spirit, Who ARE ONE GOD (the position held by GENUINE CHRISTIANS for about 2,000 years now. NOT the position held by david koresh, joe smith, jim jones of jonestown, or you, obviously. You CULTISTS cannot understand the TRUTH.

New Age Christians say just believe in Jesus and you're saved but you later add "but you must deny this, abandon that" thus contradicting yourselves.

I am not a 'new age' anything. Never have been. I follow the SAME CHRIST WHO HAS LED US (HIS CHURCH) FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS NOW.

I don't need to look for some 'new age religion' such as joey smith's religion that has only been around LESS THAN A COUPLE HUNDRED YEARS. HE is the 'new' one here!

The moment someone shows you are wrong, you hide by skipping any dialogue about the said post by just going to another thread. I showed you are wrong in the Which Mormon... thread and you came here because you had no defense and still have no defense.

You have NEVER shown EVEN ONE REASON TO BELIEVE that the 'utah mormons' are the original church joey smith invented. . .THUS YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN ME WRONG AT ALL in that matter.

When you CLAIM I am wrong, I bring out scripture that demonstrates the TRUTH, that you don't know what you are talking about.

YOUR CULT claimed all of those things. YOUR CULT teaches and believes the things I listed. IT IS UP TO YOU to "prove your case"

BUT ALL YOU CAN DO IS WHINE AND MAKE EXCUSES. . .