Are there any Christians IN the mormon church?

[Christian]

That would be a better question to ask than that other thread I saw.

In other words, IS MORMONISM CHRISTIAN by BIBLICAL standards, OR do mormons follow a 'different' Jesus Christ than CHRISTIANS do?

[Erundur]

That would be a better question to ask than that other thread I saw.
Same answer: "Of course." Every believing Latter-day Saint is a Christian by definition.


In other words, IS MORMONISM CHRISTIAN by BIBLICAL standards, OR do mormons follow a 'different' Jesus Christ than CHRISTIANS do?
How could we follow a different Jesus Christ than we do?

[Grandma]

That would be a better question to ask than that other thread I saw.

In other words, IS MORMONISM CHRISTIAN by BIBLICAL standards, OR do mormons follow a 'different' Jesus Christ than CHRISTIANS do?

Just think, God inspires different questions for different reasons! :)

In Christian Love,

Grandma

[theway]

Just think, God inspires different questions for different reasons! :)

In Christian Love,

GrandmaApparently God does it in order for people to see just how little AntiMormons actually know.

[Grandma]

Apparently God does it in order for people to see just how little AntiMormons actually know.


Why are you being rude? Are Mormons supposed to be rude? :confused:

Ephesians 4:32
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

In Christian Love,

Grandma

[chuckt]

Same answer: "Of course." Every believing Latter-day Saint is a Christian by definition.


How could we follow a different Jesus Christ than we do?

How could you follow a different Jesus Christ than you do? Because you don't know Him. You know what the Book of Mormon or the Doctrine and Covenants say about Him but you don't know Jesus because Jesus is different. You think you know something about Him but knowing Him is different.

[Erundur]

How could you follow a different Jesus Christ than you do? Because you don't know Him. You know what the Book of Mormon or the Doctrine and Covenants say about Him but you don't know Jesus because Jesus is different. You think you know something about Him but knowing Him is different.
Unless you can prove that I don't know him, this is just mindless anti-Mormon rhetoric.

[Phoenix]

IS MORMONISM CHRISTIAN by BIBLICAL standards]

if you use the Bible's criteria, then yes. if you use criteria made up by some anti-mormon quasi-ph.d. who wanted, out of animosity, to artificially exclude mormons from the ***le, then probably not.

[DrDavidT]

That would be a better question to ask than that other thread I saw.

In other words, IS MORMONISM CHRISTIAN by BIBLICAL standards, OR do mormons follow a 'different' Jesus Christ than CHRISTIANS do?

There is nothing Christian about Mormonism. I highly doubt there is an actual christian in that cult but only God knows for sure.

Mormons do not follow the biblical Christ which is attested to by the omission of the cross from their temples.

[Phoenix]

i am fairly certain that even if mormon temples had crosses on them, that attestation would not be acknowledged by "dr." david as evidence that there is something christian about mormonism. that is how bigotry works.

[DrDavidT]

i am fairly certain that even if mormon temples had crosses on them, that attestation would not be acknowledged by "dr." david as evidence that there is something christian about mormonism. that is how bigotry works.

people like you exist to cause trouble. you contribute nothing constructive to the conversation nor refute anything. all you do is toss insults and personal attacks. i would flag your reply but i feel it would do no good.

mormonism is not christian nor does it teach what Jesus and the disciples taught. there is nothing christian about it.

[theway]

people like you exist to cause trouble. you contribute nothing constructive to the conversation nor refute anything. all you do is toss insults and personal attacks. i would flag your reply but i feel it would do no good.

mormonism is not christian nor does it teach what Jesus and the disciples taught. there is nothing christian about it.
LOL... Talk about hypocrisy.

[teenapenny]

Apparently God does it in order for people to see just how little AntiMormons actually know.
Or how little Mormons know.

[theway]

Or how little Mormons know.
Hmmmmmm, let me think on that...........

....Nope.... Nope.... that's not it!
All one has to do is read the posts to see that that is not true.

[Christian]

Apparently God does it in order for people to see just how little AntiMormons actually know.

Or what little the anti-CHRISTIANS know. . .

Mormon cultists follow a liar.

[Christian]

Only those who actually follow the gospel. There are many in the church who do not and have little to no desire to do so and are therefore not technically Christians.
As one who strives to follow the gospel as its been restored, I'm certainly a Biblical Christian. Nobody has any right to tell me otherwise.

WHICH gospel? the mormon one? Or the REAL One?

[Grandma]

Same answer: "Of course." Every believing Latter-day Saint is a Christian by definition.


How could we follow a different Jesus Christ than we do?

Are you following the Jesus President Monson follows?

In Christian Love,

Grandma

[Grandma]

Erroneous question. We have the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The gospel of Jesus Christ as taught by the ancient prophets and apostles and the gospel taught in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints are the same, they're not two different things.

It would only be an erroneous question if the New Testament teachings and Mormon teachings were the same. Read the New Testament as if you're reading it for the first time and then compare the two. It's a wonderful experience.

In Christian Love,

Grandma

[theway]

Are you following the Jesus President Monson follows?

In Christian Love,

GrandmaOf course....

FYI, Just remember I am three steps ahead of you, so I already know the quote you are going to use, and I already know my reply which will then demonstrate how little you know....

But proceed anyway!

[Erundur]

Are you following the Jesus President Monson follows?
Yes, President Monson and I follow Jesus Christ. Do you?

[Christian]

Yes, President Monson and I follow Jesus Christ. Do you?

Not the 'spirit-brother-of-satan' jesus Christ you guys follow.

I follow the REAL Jesus Christ, the BIBLICAL Jesus Christ instead

[Christian]

Erroneous question. We have the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The gospel of Jesus Christ as taught by the ancient prophets and apostles and the gospel taught in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints are the same, they're not two different things.

Your 'gospel' was invented in the 1830's and didn't exist before then. Joey smith invented it.

[Grandma]

President Monson said in so many words that Mormons and Christians don't agree about who Christ is, and that's true. It's nice when a Mormons can be honest insread of playing games.

Here's the game Erunder's playing:

Grandma: "Are you following the Jesus President Monson follows?"

Erunder(changing his answer to the question he'd rather answer than the one that was asked): "Yes, President Monson and I follow Jesus Christ."

[Erundur]

It's nice when a Mormons can be honest insread of playing games.
Yes, and it would also be nice if anti-Mormons could be honest instead of playing games.


Here's the game Erunder's playing:

Grandma: "Are you following the Jesus President Monson follows?"

Erunder(changing his answer to the question he'd rather answer than the one that was asked): "Yes, President Monson and I follow Jesus Christ."
There is no game playing here except by you. You asked, "Are you following the Jesus President Monson follows?" I answered that yes, I do, and that Jesus is Jesus Christ. That was a direct answer to the question you asked.

[Grandma]

Yes, and it would also be nice if anti-Mormons could be honest instead of playing games.


There is no game playing here except by you. You asked, "Are you following the Jesus President Monson follows?" I answered that yes, I do, and that Jesus is Jesus Christ. That was a direct answer to the question you asked.

You can't even be honest about your own statements:

Yes, President Monson and I follow Jesus Christ. Do you?

Here's the game Erunder's playing:

Grandma: "Are you following the Jesus President Monson follows?"

Erunder(changing his answer to the question he'd rather answer than the one that was asked): "Yes, President Monson and I follow Jesus Christ."

[theway]

President Monson said in so many words that Mormons and Christians don't agree about who Christ is, and that's true. It's nice when a Mormons can be honest insread of playing games.

Here's the game Erunder's playing:

Grandma: "Are you following the Jesus President Monson follows?"

Erunder(changing his answer to the question he'd rather answer than the one that was asked): "Yes, President Monson and I follow Jesus Christ."You are the only one playing the games here.

First you said that "Monson said we don't believe in the same Jesus...."
Then you realized that you probably meant to say "Hinkley said..." Not Monson, so you changed your accusation to say "Monson said in so many words..." hoping no one would notice your little mistake.

Then when it was pointed out to you that neither "Monson or Hinkely said that we believe in a different Jesus, but that we believe in a different Christ, (which means something entirely different) you then had to change your tactic by asking if "we believe in the same JESUS as Monson does..." Once again hoping that your mistake was not noticed and you could trap someone by changing it to a question.

When we said we do believe in the same Jesus and the same Christ as Monson, you accuse ALL LDS of being deceitful simply because Erunder used both Jesus and Christ..... (Which makes his answer still true)

You are simply playing the game of equivocation while trying to hide your own errors, lies, and mistakes behind diffusion and misdirection.

[Erundur]

You can't even be honest about your own statements:
The fact that I am proves that I can be. Now, would you like to deal with what I said, or are you just angry because you didn't get the answer you wanted?

[Grandma]

You are the only one playing the games here.

First you said that "Monson said we don't believe in the same Jesus...."
Then you realized that you probably meant to say "Hinkley said..." Not Monson, so you changed your accusation to say "Monson said in so many words..." hoping no one would notice your little mistake.

Then when it was pointed out to you that neither "Monson or Hinkely said that we believe in a different Jesus, but that we believe in a different Christ, (which means something entirely different) you then had to change your tactic by asking if "we believe in the same JESUS as Monson does..." Once again hoping that your mistake was not noticed and you could trap someone by changing it to a question.

When we said we do believe in the same Jesus and the same Christ as Monson, you accuse ALL LDS of being deceitful simply because Erunder used both Jesus and Christ..... (Which makes his answer still true)

You are simply playing the game of equivocation while trying to hide your own errors, lies, and mistakes behind diffusion and misdirection.

Thanks, I meant Gordon B.Hinckley. Now are you telling us that Monson believes in a different Jesus than Hinckley did?

[Grandma]

The fact that I am proves that I can be. Now, would you like to deal with what I said, or are you just angry because you didn't get the answer you wanted?

You did NOT answer the question I asked. I'm not angry.

How do you know which Jesus Monson believes in? Does he disagree with Hinckley?

[Grandma]

You are the only one playing the games here.

First you said that "Monson said we don't believe in the same Jesus...."
Then you realized that you probably meant to say "Hinkley said..." Not Monson, so you changed your accusation to say "Monson said in so many words..." hoping no one would notice your little mistake.

Then when it was pointed out to you that neither "Monson or Hinkely said that we believe in a different Jesus, but that we believe in a different Christ, (which means something entirely different) you then had to change your tactic by asking if "we believe in the same JESUS as Monson does..." Once again hoping that your mistake was not noticed and you could trap someone by changing it to a question.

When we said we do believe in the same Jesus and the same Christ as Monson, you accuse ALL LDS of being deceitful simply because Erunder used both Jesus and Christ..... (Which makes his answer still true)

You are simply playing the game of equivocation while trying to hide your own errors, lies, and mistakes behind diffusion and misdirection.

Nope! Jesus Christ is one Person not two separate Persons. If you refer to Jesus the Son of God, or Christ the Son of God, or Jesus Christ the Son of God, or Jesus the Christ, are you referring to the Christ that Hinckley was speaking of?

"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7)

Love,

Grandma who is less tired than before

[Erundur]

You did NOT answer the question I asked.
Of course I did.


How do you know which Jesus Monson believes in?
Because, unlike some people, I know what my church teaches.


Does he disagree with Hinckley?
I'm sure there's something they disagree about, but you'll have to ask him about that.

[theway]

Nope! Jesus Christ is one Person not two separate Persons. If you refer to Jesus the Son of God, or Christ the Son of God, or Jesus Christ the Son of God, or Jesus the Christ, are you referring to the Christ that Hinckley was speaking of?

"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7)

Love,

Grandma who is less tired than before
Once again... CHRIST IS A ***LE; IT IS NOT A PERSON OR A LAST NAME!

If you notice closely Hinkley did not say "Jesus the Christ" or "Jesus Christ" or "Jesus the Son of God" or "Christ the Son of God" or "Jesus Christ the Son of God".
He specifically said "The Traditional Christ".

[theway]

Thanks, I meant Gordon B.Hinckley. Now are you telling us that Monson believes in a different Jesus than Hinckley did? No... But like I said before... I'm alway three steps ahead of you. I know every verse or quote you will use... Or in this case, every quote you meant to use. Ironically, I feel sorry for you guys and I find myself helping you out sometimes.

[Grandma]

You are the only one playing the games here.

First you said that "Monson said we don't believe in the same Jesus...."
Then you realized that you probably meant to say "Hinkley said..." Not Monson, so you changed your accusation to say "Monson said in so many words..." hoping no one would notice your little mistake.

Then when it was pointed out to you that neither "Monson or Hinkely said that we believe in a different Jesus, but that we believe in a different Christ, (which means something entirely different) you then had to change your tactic by asking if "we believe in the same JESUS as Monson does..." Once again hoping that your mistake was not noticed and you could trap someone by changing it to a question.

When we said we do believe in the same Jesus and the same Christ as Monson, you accuse ALL LDS of being deceitful simply because Erunder used both Jesus and Christ..... (Which makes his answer still true)

You are simply playing the game of equivocation while trying to hide your own errors, lies, and mistakes behind diffusion and misdirection.

I don't hope no one will notice. I OWNED MY MISTAKE! You can't even spell your own former prophet's name. H-I-N-C-K-L-E-Y. Whoa! Pretending that Jesus isn't the Christ. Well, maybe He isn't to you. I never accused Erunder of being deceitful because he said "Jesus Christ." I said he didn't answer the question I asked.

[Grandma]

:confused:

Please tell me you're joking. Why do you think he is called Jesus THE Christ? All of us are trying to help you see this. I've heard this argument from people way too many times. President Hinckley was referring to the Christ taught of by your traditions, the traditions that date back to people such as Athenasius. We follow the Christ of scripture, the Christ prophesied of and believed in by the ancient prophets and Jews. We follow Jesus Christ and no other.

No, you follow a fic***ious false Christ.

[Grandma]

:confused:

Please tell me you're joking. Why do you think he is called Jesus THE Christ? All of us are trying to help you see this. I've heard this argument from people way too many times. President Hinckley was referring to the Christ taught of by your traditions, the traditions that date back to people such as Athenasius. We follow the Christ of scripture, the Christ prophesied of and believed in by the ancient prophets and Jews. We follow Jesus Christ and no other.

I see Mormonism. I see the changes in it. I see the lesson manuals. I see the Conference Talks. I see the requirements for your supposed exaltation. I see the diagrams in your books, etc.

President Hinckley was making a snide remark about God Who revealed Himself to us in the Bible.

Here's your god:

Our Father Advanced and
Progressed Until He Became God

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: “Our Father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a Father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).


President Joseph F. Smith taught: “I know that God is a being with body, parts and p***ions.... Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman” (Church News, 19 Sept. 1936, p. 2).

President Wilford Woodruff explained: “[God] has had his endowments a great many years ago. He has ascended to his thrones, principalities and powers in the eternities. We are his children.....We are here to fill a probation and receive an education” (Deseret News Weekly, 28 Sept. 1881, p. 546).

How does it help us to know that the basic elements of God’s life in a mortal world were the same as ours? President Brigham Young explained:

“He is our Father—the Father of our Spirits—and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are....

“...There never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds and when men were not p***ing through the same ordeals that we are now p***ing through....

“It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has been a finite being” (Deseret News, 16 Nov. 1859, p. 290).
Priesthood Manual, 1984

Love,

Grandma

[Grandma]

Once again... CHRIST IS A ***LE; IT IS NOT A PERSON OR A LAST NAME!

If you notice closely Hinkley did not say "Jesus the Christ" or "Jesus Christ" or "Jesus the Son of God" or "Christ the Son of God" or "Jesus Christ the Son of God".
He specifically said "The Traditional Christ".

He said, "The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times."

He said, " ...the Christ of whom I speak."

[MickeyS]

Nope! Jesus Christ is one Person not two separate Persons. If you refer to Jesus the Son of God, or Christ the Son of God, or Jesus Christ the Son of God, or Jesus the Christ, are you referring to the Christ that Hinckley was speaking of?

"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7)



Yeah...he is quite obviously referring to the trinity, which interestingly enough is NEVER mentioned in the Bible. Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of God is a separate and distinct person from God the Father, THAT teaching is all over the Bible. So....I guess the question would be, what Christ do YOU believe in?

[MickeyS]

I see Mormonism. I see the changes in it. I see the lesson manuals. I see the Conference Talks. I see the requirements for your supposed exaltation. I see the diagrams in your books, etc.

President Hinckley was making a snide remark about God Who revealed Himself to us in the Bible.

Here's your god:

Our Father Advanced and
Progressed Until He Became God

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: “Our Father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a Father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).


President Joseph F. Smith taught: “I know that God is a being with body, parts and p***ions.... Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman” (Church News, 19 Sept. 1936, p. 2).

President Wilford Woodruff explained: “[God] has had his endowments a great many years ago. He has ascended to his thrones, principalities and powers in the eternities. We are his children.....We are here to fill a probation and receive an education” (Deseret News Weekly, 28 Sept. 1881, p. 546).

How does it help us to know that the basic elements of God’s life in a mortal world were the same as ours? President Brigham Young explained:

“He is our Father—the Father of our Spirits—and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are....

“...There never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds and when men were not p***ing through the same ordeals that we are now p***ing through....

“It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has been a finite being” (Deseret News, 16 Nov. 1859, p. 290).
Priesthood Manual, 1984

What is that all about? LOL, he's talking about the trinity. The "traditional" Christ of whom he speaks is the mystical unexplainable second head of the divine Cerebus. The one that, if pushed, is described as "cannot be explained by our finite mortal minds" ,which basically means "we have no idea why we believe it, but it's always been that way so we accept it"

[Grandma]

Yeah...he is quite obviously referring to the trinity, which interestingly enough is NEVER mentioned in the Bible. Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of God is a separate and distinct person from God the Father, THAT teaching is all over the Bible. So....I guess the question would be, what Christ do YOU believe in?

The Triune God is revealed in the Bible. A modalist God is revealed in the Book of Mormon. Multiple Gods are revealed in The Book of Abraham.

[Grandma]

What is that all about? LOL, he's talking about the trinity. The "traditional" Christ of whom he speaks is the mystical unexplainable second head of the divine Cerebus. The one that, if pushed, is described as "cannot be explained by our finite mortal minds" ,which basically means "we have no idea why we believe it, but it's always been that way so we accept it"

Ephesians 4:32

Love,

Grandma

[MickeyS]

The Triune God is revealed in the Bible. A modalist God is revealed in the Book of Mormon. Multiple Gods are revealed in The Book of Abraham.

Where is it revealed in the Bible?? How do explain the numerous times God talks to Himself?

[MickeyS]

Ephesians 4:32

What does that mean?

[theway]

No, you follow a fic***ious false Christ.Yeah.... I guess this is an example of those "facts" you were talking about.

[disciple]

Yeah...he is quite obviously referring to the trinity, which interestingly enough is NEVER mentioned in the Bible. Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of God is a separate and distinct person from God the Father, THAT teaching is all over the Bible. So....I guess the question would be, what Christ do YOU believe in?

Hello Mickey,

The following are from Revelation 1, verses 8,11, 17-18 spoken by Jesus. He calls himself the First, the Beginning and the Almighty.
That's the Christ we believe in, the One that is called Mighty God, Everlasting Father and Prince of peace.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,”

“And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.”

[Grandma]

Where is it revealed in the Bible?? How do explain the numerous times God talks to Himself?

You're describing the modalist god.

[Grandma]

Hello Mickey,

The following are from Revelation 1, verses 8,11, 17-18 spoken by Jesus. He calls himself the First, the Beginning and the Almighty.
That's the Christ we believe in, the One that is called Mighty God, Everlasting Father and Prince of peace.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,”

“And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.”

Mickey left.

[dberrie2000]

That would be a better question to ask than that other thread I saw.

In other words, IS MORMONISM CHRISTIAN by BIBLICAL standards, OR do mormons follow a 'different' Jesus Christ than CHRISTIANS do?

What is found in the Biblical NT--is also found in the LDS church.

There is a wide divergence of the definition of the term "Christian".

The faith alone define it in a way I don't find in the Biblical text, as a general rule.

[Christian]

What is found in the Biblical NT--is also found in the LDS church.

There is a wide divergence of the definition of the term "Christian".

The faith alone define it in a way I don't find in the Biblical text, as a general rule.

Why don't you SHOW US where your 'aaronic priesthood' of twelve-year-olds and up exists in the NT CHURCH IN THE BIBLE.

Why don't you SHOW US IN THE BIBLE where ANY member of CHRIST'S CHURCH was ever a member of the Aaronic priesthood.

Why don't you SHOW US IN THE BIBLE ONE EXAMPLE of CHRISTIANS ever being baptized for anyone other than for themselves.

Why don't you SHOW US IN THE BIBLE where it EVER says CHRIST'S CHURCH would totally apostasize, lose ANY of its authority to act for or speak for God, or be 'removed from the earth' OR NEED RESTORATION from being 'lost.'

SHOW US FROM GOD ANYWHERE where HE ever said we would 'lose some of our Bible.'

Of course you cannot do any of those things.

ALL you have is the word of a charlatan, liar, criminal, joey smith, the guy who INVENTED the mormon religion.

[Christian]

i am fairly certain that even if mormon temples had crosses on them, that attestation would not be acknowledged by "dr." david as evidence that there is something christian about mormonism. that is how bigotry works.


Of course the white supremecists have crosses on them too, but like the mormon temples, THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIAN EITHER.

You can put lipstick on pigs all you want, but that doesn't make them into swans. . .

[Christian]

way posted:


Originally Posted by DrDavidT http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/images/****ons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?p=164519#post164519)
people like you exist to cause trouble. you contribute nothing constructive to the conversation nor refute anything. all you do is toss insults and personal attacks. i would flag your reply but i feel it would do no good.

mormonism is not christian nor does it teach what Jesus and the disciples taught. there is nothing christian about it.


LOL... Talk about hypocrisy.

He just spoke the TRUTH. No hypocrisy involved.

And YOU just proved his point. Nothing constructive, nothing refuted, only personal insult and personal attack.

Yep. . .you just PROVED HIS POINT

[Christian]

Christian

[QUOTE] Of course the white supremecists have crosses on them too, but like the mormon temples, THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIAN EITHER.

You can put lipstick on pigs all you want, but that doesn't make them into swans. . .



That means you have a chance of not being a Christian also.

No. . .I don't have that chance since I received the REAL Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord through faith in Him over 40 years ago. HE has sustained my very being since then.

So tell me ONE SINGLE REASON that I should believe mormonism is any more "Christian" than the White Supremecists. I prayed over your book of mormon 40+ years ago and received a DEFINITE "NO!" answer from the Holy Spirit of God.

Why should I believe YOU or YOUR CULT?

[Grandma]

Hello Mickey,

The following are from Revelation 1, verses 8,11, 17-18 spoken by Jesus. He calls himself the First, the Beginning and the Almighty.
That's the Christ we believe in, the One that is called Mighty God, Everlasting Father and Prince of peace.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,”

“And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.”

Mickey returned.

[dberrie2000]

Why don't you SHOW US IN THE BIBLE where it EVER says CHRIST'S CHURCH would totally apostasize, lose ANY of its authority to act for or speak for God, or be 'removed from the earth' OR NEED RESTORATION from being 'lost.

I suppose you might want to ask some of the Reformers that question. Why was there a need for a Reformation--if an apostasy had not occurred?


ALL you have is the word of a charlatan, liar, criminal, joey smith, the guy who INVENTED the mormon religion.

I'm not sure kicking Joseph Smith around will answer why the faith alone cannot comport their theology to the Biblical NT:

James 2:24----New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and [COLOR="#FF0000"]not by faith alone.

[dberrie2000]

No. . .I don't have that chance since I received the REAL Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord through faith in Him over 40 years ago.

Was it this "real Jesus"?

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[Grandma]

way posted:



LOL... Talk about hypocrisy.

He just spoke the TRUTH. No hypocrisy involved.

And YOU just proved his point. Nothing constructive, nothing refuted, only personal insult and personal attack.

Yep. . .you just PROVED HIS POINT


Those are the type of Mormons who come to Christian sites for the fun if posting insults. Other Mormons spend their time with family and church callings.

[Christian]

berry posted:


Originally Posted by Christian
Why don't you SHOW US IN THE BIBLE where it EVER says CHRIST'S CHURCH would totally apostasize, lose ANY of its authority to act for or speak for God, or be 'removed from the earth' OR NEED RESTORATION from being 'lost.

I suppose you might want to ask some of the Reformers that question. Why was there a need for a Reformation--if an apostasy had not occurred?

Because (as I have pointed out to you before, but you refuse to listen to the TRUTH) the rcc, NOT CHRISTIANITY AS A WHOLE, had (as bringum young did from joseph and emma smith's group) apostasized.


ALL you have is the word of a charlatan, liar, criminal, joey smith, the guy who INVENTED the mormon religion.

I'm not sure kicking Joseph Smith around will answer why the faith alone cannot comport their theology to the Biblical NT:

James 2:24----New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

You have been proven ignorant of what that verse is about SEVERAL TIMES. NO CHRISTIAN ANYWHERE claims that verse is wrong, but YOUR 'private interpurtashun' of it is.

NOBODY believes we have faith that does not work.

When you make your ignorant claim, you declare your ignorance of the subject over and over again.

So when will you SHOW US IN THE BIBLE IN THE BIBLE where it EVER says CHRIST'S CHURCH would totally apostasize, lose ANY of its authority to act for or speak for God, or be 'removed from the earth' OR NEED RESTORATION from being 'lost.

So far you cannot find ONE THING that ever existed in the ORIGINAL CHURCH, that joey smith ever restored, let alone ONE SINGLE REASON CHRIST 'musta failed' in HIS church.

[dberrie2000]

I suppose you might want to ask some of the Reformers that question. Why was there a need for a Reformation--if an apostasy had not occurred?

I'm not sure kicking Joseph Smith around will answer why the faith alone cannot comport their theology to the Biblical NT:

James 2:24----New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.


Because (as I have pointed out to you before, but you refuse to listen to the TRUTH) the rcc, NOT CHRISTIANITY AS A WHOLE, had

Then why didn't the Reformers and those that followed start up whole new denominations--with a different theology? Mainly--"sola fide"--faith alone:

James 2:24----New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.


You have been proven ignorant of what that verse is about SEVERAL TIMES. NO CHRISTIAN ANYWHERE claims that verse is wrong, but YOUR 'private interpurtashun' of it is.

One can't prove the Biblical record wrong--and no interpretation is needed:

James 2:24----New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.


NOBODY believes we have faith that does not work.

But the faith alone theology preaches a salvation through a faith without works:

James 2:26---King James Version (KJV)
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View PostI suppose you might want to ask some of the Reformers that question. Why was there a need for a Reformation--if an apostasy had not occurred?

I'm not sure kicking Joseph Smith around will answer why the faith alone cannot comport their theology to the Biblical NT:

James 2:24----New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.


Quote Originally Posted by Christian View PostBecause (as I have pointed out to you before, but you refuse to listen to the TRUTH) the rcc, NOT CHRISTIANITY AS A WHOLE, had

Then why didn't the Reformers and those that followed start up whole new denominations--with a different theology? Mainly--"sola fide"--faith alone:

James 2:24----New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.


You have been proven ignorant of what that verse is about SEVERAL TIMES. NO CHRISTIAN ANYWHERE claims that verse is wrong, but YOUR 'private interpurtashun' of it is.

One can't prove the Biblical record wrong--and no interpretation is needed:

James 2:24----New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.


NOBODY believes we have faith that does not work.

But the faith alone theology preaches a salvation through a faith without works:

James 2:26---King James Version (KJV)
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

IOW--the faith alone preach one is saved through dead faith.