Physical Evidence of The Exodus- Mt. Sinai- @ Jabal al-Lawz in Saudi Arabia

[jude1:3]

*Galatians 24:25-
for this Hagar is Mount Sinai In Arabia.....



Starting @2:22




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-eSRcr9CWw

[jude1:3]

Rock of Horeb



http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/48018477.jpg

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Altar that had the Golden Calf :




http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/44893759.jpg

http://www.c-224.com/Picture1.jpg

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Another Video :





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mB5Aw14e4M

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Ron Wyatt found it originally :





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYhLxyZFmBA

[alanmolstad]

there was already a fence up when he found it?

[jude1:3]

there was already a fence up when he found it?





I think the fence was put up after he told the Saudi Officials.

[jude1:3]

More Rock of Horeb :





http://www.covenantkeepers.co.uk/images/aaron_horeb.JPG

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Water Erosion marks by the Rock of Horeb :





http://www.splitrockresearch.org/uploads/images/fieldreports_split3.jpg

http://ronwyatttruth.com/wyatt/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/wpe68.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c8/e5/22/c8e522cffe7d597c5cf3ebcfb83035f9.jpg

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ubKUip6pz0

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Another Video :



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmknf1mNP5E

[jude1:3]

Another Video :



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmknf1mNP5E

Just to be clear on this particular video I don't subscribe to the flat earth part of this video.

[DrDavidT]

it seems that a lot of my posts have been removed. suffice it to say this is not evidence for Mt. Sinai. there is no way to tie those stones and split rock to Moses and the people of Israel. all these photos show is that a rock splitting is possible. There have been too many intervening years to say anything conclusive and one of the mistakes ron wyatt, his sons and most archaeologists make in their ***essment of any artifact is the ***umption that all their finds are virgin and no one has been to those sites over the past 2000 to 5ooo years.

you have a split rock now please present the evidence that definitively shows it was the one Moses struck or spoke to.

[jude1:3]

this is not evidence for Mt. Sinai.
you have a split rock now please present the evidence that definitively shows it was the one Moses struck or spoke to.



Yes it is.

*Split Rock of Horeb with water erosion where the water flowed

*Fenced Off Golden Calf Altar

*Blackened Mountian

*Pillar remains and herding sacrifice area

* Cave of Elijah

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9aYjaplVGY

[alanmolstad]

so.......I was actually watching this video on YouTube where you can see and hear it...
And my conclusion is that it makes a nice plot for a movie of the week.....thats about all its got going for it.

[jude1:3]

so.......I was actually watching this video on YouTube where you can see and hear it...
And my conclusion is that it makes a nice plot for a movie of the week.....thats about all its got going for it.




Sometimes I think that you are not even really a Christian and that you are purposely trying to misrepresent the views of true Christians.

[alanmolstad]

Sometimes I think that you are not even really a Christian and that you are purposely trying to misrepresent the views of true Christians.

how interesting....

But, I was talking about the video topic and the lack of any real proof to it in the YouTube videos I have found on the same topic...

[DrDavidT]

Yes it is.

this is not a re****al especially when you are talking to someone who knows what he is talking about. none of the things you listed can be tied to Moses, the Israelites or Elijah. Please present verifiable and irrefutable evidence that Elijah actually stayed in that cave.

So far you are batting 0 with your supposed evidence. You also make the mistake that most archaeologists make when they make or latch onto a discovery--they think their discovery has not been visited, altered, moved or replicated and so on for thousands of years.

The christian faith nor the validity of the Bible does not rest upon correctly identifying Mt. SInai. There is no way you can produce verifiable evidence tying those things or that mountain to Moses. it only remains a possibility out of a thousand possibilities.

You remind me of a person who will listen to the Caldwells, a family known to work with culti1, who are uneducated in many aspects of the Bible as well as archaeology and to someone like Bob Cornuke who makes great videos and tells wonderful stories yet when it comes down to it, presents no real evidence.

The late Ron Wyatt was a very misguided soul and if what I know about him is true, suffered from an illness that affected his cognitive powers.

[alanmolstad]

it is very true that not a single thing about the things found in these photos and videos actually can be connected to the Bible story.

And...when you dig into the guy who pushed this idea you find all kinds of wild and false claims that he made as he "discovered" one thing after another....and in the end, actually had ZERO real proof to support anything he claimed!

[alanmolstad]

the claim that he saw the Ark of the Covenant.....

The claim that he found the ark of the Genesis flood....
The claim that tons and tons of Petrified wood was found there....

The use of non-scientific tools to "prove" the ark site was real....

time after time this guy turns out to be just a con-man.

He actually never found anything, except a way to sell books and tapes and demand higher and higher speaking fees.....that he did find!

[alanmolstad]

Ron Wyatt has claimed, among other things, to have discovered the following:

The Ark of the Covenant.
Chariot wheels and other relics from Pharaoh’s drowned army at the bottom of the Red Sea.
The real Sodom and Gomorrah, with building outlines still standing as piles of sulfur-fried ash.
Noah’s Ark.
The real Mt Sinai.15
The rock at Horeb.
The true site of Korah’s earthquake.
Noah’s house, and the graves of Mr and Mrs Noah, together with millions worth of her jewelry (allegedly then stolen from Wyatt).
The real site of the crucifixion, apparently above the cave containing the Ark of the Covenant, so that Christ’s blood would drip on to the Mercy Seat.
An actual sample of Christ’s blood, with chromosomes allegedly still visible under the microscope, showing that there was no human father. Placed in growth medium, the cells began dividing, says Ron.





None of this turned out to be true....

The guy fooled a lot of people....but not all the people.

[alanmolstad]

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/has-the-ark-of-the-covenant-been-found/

[DrDavidT]

Ron Wyatt has claimed, among other things, to have discovered the following:

The Ark of the Covenant.
Chariot wheels and other relics from Pharaoh’s drowned army at the bottom of the Red Sea.
The real Sodom and Gomorrah, with building outlines still standing as piles of sulfur-fried ash.
Noah’s Ark.
The real Mt Sinai.15
The rock at Horeb.
The true site of Korah’s earthquake.
Noah’s house, and the graves of Mr and Mrs Noah, together with millions worth of her jewelry (allegedly then stolen from Wyatt).
The real site of the crucifixion, apparently above the cave containing the Ark of the Covenant, so that Christ’s blood would drip on to the Mercy Seat.
An actual sample of Christ’s blood, with chromosomes allegedly still visible under the microscope, showing that there was no human father. Placed in growth medium, the cells began dividing, says Ron.





None of this turned out to be true....

The guy fooled a lot of people....but not all the people.

There was a good book out published by two brothers in Wyatt's own denomination that refuted everything Wyatt claimed. As I have said before, if I could find it again I would post a letter written by ione of Wyatt's partners who said Wyatt suffered from a disease that had him believing he actually saw the things he claimed to have found.

So while rejecting everything Wyatt has said, I still feel a little pity for him and temper my critique accordingly.

[DrDavidT]

Noah’s house, and the graves of Mr and Mrs Noah, together with millions worth of her jewelry (allegedly then stolen from Wyatt).
.

Just so you know, I know of a biblical scholar who did actually go and document the graves of Noah and two of his sons. He was not ***ociated with Wyatt and he wrote a paper on it with photos. I have a copy of it and it is interesting to read. He also documents some rock art and writings he says shows that Noah's ark landed in that area.

Whether or not they are the actual graves remain to be seen but he is a lot more credible than Wyatt ever was

[DrDavidT]

You can read a synopsis here

http://dakotascba.com/Evidence-for-Noah%27s-Flood.php

Scroll down till you get to this article: Searching for the tombs of Noah’s family by Dr. William Shea

[alanmolstad]

I have read that account of a 7th Dayer going searching, and it does remind me of guys that go looking for Bigfoot, or Nessie...Im sure they can find a "guide" that can take them to well known spots that will allow you to "discover" stuff....and thus make your trip fun.

[DrDavidT]

I have read that account of a 7th Dayer going searching, and it does remind me of guys that go looking for Bigfoot, or Nessie...Im sure they can find a "guide" that can take them to well known spots that will allow you to "discover" stuff....and thus make your trip fun.

I have wanted to take a trip to look this up but have never found the time. Shedd said he would help me if I go but never took him up on his offer. Like I said the full report is an interesting read but as for actual evidence...well.. it all depends.

[alanmolstad]

one of the things that you note in all these stories of guys who travel across the world to search for something is....they always find something....

......always......

[alanmolstad]

one of the things that you note in all these stories of guys who travel across the world to search for something is....they always find something....

......always......

[DrDavidT]

one of the things that you note in all these stories of guys who travel across the world to search for something is....they always find something....

......always......

Yes they do. I would like to verify this one though. It is intriguing to me. I couldn't possible state that they are the actual tombs of Noah and his Sons but it woul dbe something to ****yze first hand

[DrDavidT]

http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2007/10/Mount-Sinai-is-NOT-Jebel-al-Lawz-in-Saudi-Arabia.aspx

a very good read and worth the time as it discredits wyatt, the caldwells and others who make the claim that jebe ell lawz is sinai

[jude1:3]

Another video:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOLnXkP5i2c

[DrDavidT]

He went to the Caldwells as evidence? How ridiculous. Not only are the amateurs but they hooked up with a heretic named Rude. These people do not know what they are talking about and have nothing to verify their claims. I read her book seen them on Cornuke's video and other places, these people are a part of the group I talked about in my other thread.

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Another video:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeSHmqSrv5o

[alanmolstad]

one of the things you see is that when people go looking for "proof" they can mostly view anything they run into later as being some type of "proof"


there are many End Time preachers that pick up the newspaper every day and are able to work each day's headlines into their understanding of Bible prophesy.

[DrDavidT]

one of the things you see is that when people go looking for "proof" they can mostly view anything they run into later as being some type of "proof"


there are many End Time preachers that pick up the newspaper every day and are able to work each day's headlines into their understanding of Bible prophesy.

the problem here is that jude cannot discern between bad teachers of biblical sites and good ones. he picks anyone who sounds good and does not investigate those people so his mind gets lost in a lot of **** that doesn't mean anything or is very misleading.

I have known about the Caldwells for years and they are not credible nor are they good at archaeology

To address the quote, this is the thing. certain people will use biblical communication to further their own interests and desires and not God's. The will call themselves Christians an din some cases they are but in others they are not.

[jude1:3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLuJdoFqqkE

[alanmolstad]

No truth to any of it.....the guy sees a pile of rocks and says that's proof of it being a city....it's not

[alanmolstad]

The video simply shows people what they want to believe

[jude1:3]

No truth to any of it.....the guy sees a pile of rocks and says that's proof of it being a city....it's not


What you wrote is a ....

[alanmolstad]

I hope all members refer to the few rules we have on our forum. ..and keep them in mind when they post.

[jude1:3]

I hope all members refer to the few rules we have on our forum. ..and keep them in mind when they post.


You have practically taken over this forum if you are allowed to edit my posts.

[alanmolstad]

You have practically taken over this forum if you are allowed to edit my posts.

Dont break the rules, and you wont force me to edit posts

[jude1:3]

No truth to any of it.....the guy sees a pile of rocks and says that's proof of it being a city....it's not


OK then since you are going to post something like this ^^^ Then I'm to post something like This:


There Is No Truth In Any Of Your Posts.

[alanmolstad]

OK then since you are going to post something like this ^^^ Then I'm to post something like This:


There Is No Truth In Any Of Your Posts.there, Good!.
Your post is completely within the rules set down by the owner...

[alanmolstad]

If a person does even a short google search of the many false claims made by the man Ron Wyatt, you will see that not a single claim he made turned out to be true.

Everything he said about the things he claimed to have found turned out to be juts stuff he invented.
Ron made use of clever sounding words and tried to fool people with one wild story after another, but he really only managed to fool people that are ignorant of what type of con-man he really was.

Ron was well known for saying that he had found the Ark of Genesis, or the Ark of the Covenant, but has nothing to support such wild claims.

Ron even said that he had discovered the very blood of Christ and had it tested and talked and talked about the results of this scientific testing on the blood of Christ.

It all sounds great, what a cool story, but then when you ask to see the results of the testing?....or ask the names of the lab that conducted the tests?....oh then Ron's story starts to fall apart....LOL



So to with the wild claims found in this video.

The video goes on and on, making one wild claim about their "discoveries" but there is ZERO proof to any of such claims.
The video points to a line of white ground and just declares it to be a city....

No proof is offered

No scientist is supporting this conclusion.

Just the video saying, "Oh its square so its a city!"

[jude1:3]

Mt. Sinai Is Jabal al-Lawz in Saudi Arabia.

Period

[alanmolstad]

Ron Wyatt was a con-man

Period

[DrDavidT]

possibly but then i know more facts about him than most people do