Is Jesus Christ the Spirit Brother of Satan?

[alanmolstad]

Is Jesus Christ the Spirit Brother of Satan?

http://www.equip.org/articles/is-jesus-christ-the-spirit-brother-of-satan-/

[theway]

Is Jesus Christ the Spirit Brother of Satan?

Yes...

And your point is?

[Christian]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad
Is Jesus Christ the Spirit Brother of Satan?

Yes...

And your point is?


You ADMIT you religion follows a demon's brother?

WHY would you want to do that?

[theway]

You ADMIT you religion follows a demon's brother?Do you mean do we follow Jesus Christ? Then Yes! I admit to that gladly.

The problem you have, is the problem that the early Gnostics had with the gospel... You just can't accept that Jesus was in anyway related to something which can be corrupted. Therefore, they invented a theology where Jesus was not really a physical human, that He only appeared to us that way, but was not fully man.
That is because you guys both project your own failings onto Jesus. You believe that because you choose to sin, and Satan choose to sin, then Jesus could not possibly choose to be any better than what the two of you choose. You actually cheapen who Christ was/is.

But then what is the alternative theology you preach?
That God created evil where evil never existed before, and then God knowingly created an evil Being where no evil Being existed before. And then allowed that evil to affect all of his other creations, which will have no other choice but to sin and become evil?
You theology actually makes God culpable in man's and Satan's sins???

I don't know, but your theology sounds more nonsensical than simply believing that Satan choose evil; while Jesus choose what is right.


WHY would you want to do that?
It is not up to "what I want" which is what your major problem seems to be... You will only believe that which YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.
The truth however, simply is what it is.

[Christian]

way posted:

Do you mean do we follow Jesus Christ? Then Yes! I admit to that gladly.

YOUR 'jesus christ' (if you are referring to 'the spirit brother of satan') is NOT the Jesus Christ of the Bible. You won't find such a 'spirit brother of satan' there anywhere. YOURS is simply a figment of the demented joe smith.

The problem you have, is the problem that the early Gnostics had with the gospel... You just can't accept that Jesus was in anyway related to something which can be corrupted.

NO CHRISTIANS ANYWHERE have ever accepted any 'jesus' who was a 'spirit-brother-of-satan.'

Joey smith made THAT 'jesus' up from his own demented mind..

Therefore, they invented a theology where Jesus was not really a physical human, that He only appeared to us that way, but was not fully man.

No CHRISTIANS have ever done that. Some CULTISTS (like you mormons) have invented their own warped "jesus" versions.

That is because you guys both project your own failings onto Jesus. You believe that because you choose to sin, and Satan choose to sin, then Jesus could not possibly choose to be any better than what the two of you choose. You actually cheapen who Christ was/is.

Do you make this up as you go? Or are you fed it by your handlers?

But then what is the alternative theology you preach?

The ONLY theology I preach is that that GOD has given in the Bible. You may whine 'gnostics' all you want, but Jesus is God and was without sin according to the Bible. NO place has GOD ever said Jesus was a 'spirit brother' of satan. The Bible says JESUS CREATED satan and every other thing in the heavens and the earth.

That God created evil where evil never existed before, and then God knowingly created an evil Being where no evil Being existed before. And then allowed that evil to affect all of his other creations, which will have no other choice but to sin and become evil?

Your crazy SPECULATIONS continue. . .why should anyone believe YOUR nonsense? I don't believe one word of that claptrap you just presented.

But you still make your CRAZY SPECULATIONS and invent your own junk! Just like joey smith did.

I don't know, but your theology sounds more nonsensical than simply believing that Satan choose evil; while Jesus choose what is right.

What you call 'my theology' is the same understanding taught by the BIBLE, believed for about 2,000 years by CHRISTIANS. Joe smith INVENTED your 'spirit-brother-of-satan' that YOU follow.

Of course CHRISTIANITY sounds nonsensical to you:

1 Cor 2:14-15
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
NKJV

Yep, the things of God DO seem to be 'foolishness' to you and you don't know them.

It is not up to "what I want" which is what your major problem seems to be... You will only believe that which YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.

A totally FALSE claim by you. I will believe ANYTHING GOD HAS TO TEACH ME. What I believe is what CHRISTIANS have believed for about 2,000 years now

WHEN you can show that your 'spirit brother demon is the BIBLICAL Jesus Christ, THEN I WILL BELIEVE IT. But all you have to offer seems to be the INVENTION OF THE DEMENTED JOE SMITH. And at this point, only SOME of the150+ different mormon cults believe yours.

The truth however, simply is what it is.
Yes it is, and the TRUTH that I am discussing with you is that you cannot show any 'spirit-brother-to-the-demon' connection to the BIBLICAL Jesus Christ except in the demented teachings of the false prophet joey smith.

The TRUTH is that the BIBLICAL Jesus Christ is THE ONLY Son of God:

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
NKJV

So DESPITE joey smith's inventions and your being suckered by them, you are left with a FALSE 'jesus' a FALSE prophet, and a FALSE god.

And the TRUE Jesus Christ I follow is the SAME Jesus that CHRISTIANS have followed for about 2,000 years now.

Joey smith invented HIS JUNK less than 200 years ago.

[MickeyS]

Why did God create something as evil as Satan?

[theway]

NO CHRISTIANS ANYWHERE have ever accepted any 'jesus' who was a 'spirit-brother-of-satan.'
Joey smith invented HIS JUNK less than 200 years ago.
Doesn't it bother you to be wrong on just about every issue you bring up?

"He produced a Spirit like to Himself, who might be endowed with the perfections of God the Father... Then He made another being, in whom the disposition of the divine origin did not remain. Therefore he was infected with his own envy as with poison, and p***ed from good to evil; and at his own will, which had been given to him by God unfettered, he acquired for himself a contrary name. From which it appears that the source of all evils is envy. For he envied his predecessor, who through his steadfastness is acceptable and dear to God the Father. This being, who from good became evil by his own act, is called by the Greeks diabolus: we call him accuser, because he reports to God the faults to which he himself entices us. God, therefore, when He began the fabric of the world, set over the whole work that first and greatest Son, and used Him at the same time as a counselor and artificer, in planning, arranging, and accomplishing, since He is complete both in knowledge, and judgment, and power." Lactantius, (born ad 240, North Africa—died c. 320)
Note that Lactantius is not a gnostic, but one of the most famous early Christian Apologist for the early church.

[theway]

Why did God create something as evil as Satan?Not only that, but Christian just said that he believes God created evil itself also.... LOL.. And they call our theology confusing???

[Christian]

Why did God create something as evil as Satan?

Was He evil when he was created?

Nah, God saw what He had created, and it was GOOD.

Satan BECAME evil.

[Christian]

way posted:

Doesn't it bother you to be wrong on just about every issue you bring up?

Do you still beat your wife?

Are you as dumb as you think?

What other stupid questions will you ask, based on false premises??

Doesn't it bother YOU to know you have asked a STUPID question based upon a FALSE premise? It SHOULD.

I removed the lactantius supposed quote. One cultist quoting a different cultist doesn't impress me. He (if indeed he did make that remark) was as wrong as you are.

So what? What will you claim next? That joey smith's adulteries were blessed by his manmade god?

[MickeyS]

Was He evil when he was created?

Nah, God saw what He had created, and it was GOOD.

Satan BECAME evil.



Oh that's right....he was Lucifer and WASN'T evil when he became spirit-brother to Jesus Christ, and the rest of us. So your question is a bit misleading, don't you think, since we don't claim Jesus is spirit-sibling to ANY evil being since they were NOT evil when they were born?

If your problem is that He is a spirit-sibling to ANYBODY....just say that LOL

[theway]

Are you as dumb as you think?LOL... Thank you... If I was truely dumb, then logic would dictate that the opposite of whatever I think would be the truth.
Even in your attempts to insult me, you end up complimenting me, and at the same time showing how nonsensical your rantings are.


I removed the lactantius supposed quote. One cultist quoting a different cultist doesn't impress me. He (if indeed he did make that remark) was as wrong as you are.
Simply getting in the fetal position, rocking back and forth while repeating to yourself "it's not true, it's not true" will not make your false statements go away.

Need I remind you exactly what YOU said...



NO CHRISTIANS ANYWHERE have ever accepted any 'jesus' who was a 'spirit-brother-of-satan.'
Joey smith invented HIS JUNK less than 200 years ago.

I not only showed you ONE Christian who believed it 1,700 years ago; but that he was not the only one. This was from his book where he is pointing out doctrine that existed at the time in order to combat what he believed were the heresies of Christians who believed otherwise.

Your moving of the goalposts after every false statement you make, shows us that you haven't a clue as to what Early Christians, the Bible, history, or Mormons believe or teach.

[Christian]

some way posted:

Need I remind you exactly what YOU said...


Originally Posted by Christian http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/images/****ons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166160#post166160)
I removed the lactantius supposed quote. One cultist quoting a different cultist doesn't impress me. He (if indeed he did make that remark) was as wrong as you are.
Originally Posted by Christian
NO CHRISTIANS ANYWHERE have ever accepted any 'jesus' who was a 'spirit-brother-of-satan.'
Joey smith invented HIS JUNK less than 200 years ago.


I not only showed you ONE Christian who believed it

No, you 'showed' SOMEBODY who MIGHT have believed Jesus was a demon like satan. That does NOT MAKE HIM A CHRISTIAN.

And of course, you gave NO citation at all.

You are willing to accept such nonsense from NON-Christian sources, yet you hide your head in the sand when we present evidence that your joey smith was a liar, adulterer, and a conman from VALID sources.

Interesting.


1,700 years ago; but that he was not the only one. This was from his book where he is pointing out doctrine that existed at the time in order to combat what he believed were the heresies of Christians who believed otherwise.

Your moving of the goalposts after every false statement you make, shows us that you haven't a clue as to what Early Christians, the Bible, history, or Mormons believe or teach.

There WERE no early mormons. NONE existed before the 1830's and the inventions of joey smith.

I haven't moved the goalposts at all. The question remains, "Why would you follow a demon?" If Jesus is a demon "spirit brother" of satan, then why would you want to follow him to Hell, where ALL demons go?

[theway]

some way posted:

Need I remind you exactly what YOU said...



I not only showed you ONE Christian who believed it

No, you 'showed' SOMEBODY who MIGHT have believed Jesus was a demon like satan. That does NOT MAKE HIM A CHRISTIAN.

And of course, you gave NO citation at all.

You are willing to accept such nonsense from NON-Christian sources, yet you hide your head in the sand when we present evidence that your joey smith was a liar, adulterer, and a conman from VALID sources.

Interesting.


1,700 years ago; but that he was not the only one. This was from his book where he is pointing out doctrine that existed at the time in order to combat what he believed were the heresies of Christians who believed otherwise.

Your moving of the goalposts after every false statement you make, shows us that you haven't a clue as to what Early Christians, the Bible, history, or Mormons believe or teach.

There WERE no early mormons. NONE existed before the 1830's and the inventions of joey smith.

I haven't moved the goalposts at all. The question remains, "Why would you follow a demon?" If Jesus is a demon "spirit brother" of satan, then why would you want to follow him to Hell, where ALL demons go?

Oh! I see, so you are trying to justify your moving the goalposts with a "No True Scotsman Logical Fallacy" argument.

Got it.... Your move doesn't make any logical sense, but.... I Got it.
You believe the only Christains are the ones that believe exactly like your Modern, Protestant, Free Grace, unBiblical, not historical, Anti-early Christian, AntiMormon, viewpoint.

[teenapenny]

Oh! I see, so you are trying to justify your moving the goalposts with a "No True Scotsman Logical Fallacy" argument.

Got it.... Your move doesn't make any logical sense, but.... I Got it.
You believe the only Christains are the ones that believe exactly like your Modern, Protestant, Free Grace, unBiblical, not historical, Anti-early Christian, AntiMormon, viewpoint.
None of what you say makes any sense.

[Oreste77]

Why did God create something as evil as Satan?

Satan wasn't evil when God created him.

[theway]

None of what you say makes any sense.It would take too long to explain it to you, so I will simplify it.

1. Christian made several succinct erroneous statements.
2. I provided unbiased sources proving that he was wrong on all counts.
3. Christian refuses to admit he was wrong by deleting the evidence and pretending it didn't even exist, while at the same time attempt to attack the evidence.

Same ol, same ol, in the world of AntiMormonisnm.

[MickeyS]

Satan wasn't evil when God created him.

That was exactly the point I was making

[Christian]

[QUOTE=theway;166186]It would take too long to explain it to you, so I will simplify it.

1. Christian made several succinct erroneous statements.
2. I provided unbiased sources proving that he was wrong on all counts.

You mean you told a bunch of non-truths, claiming someone was a Christian, trying to claim that one aberrant person CLAIMING to be a Christian as representing the whole, trying to support your theory that Jesus is a 'spirit-brother' of a demon. You failed misurably. No reason to believe he was a Christian at all, no citation that we could check, nothing but YOUR INTURPERTASHUN of what YOU CLAIMED he said.

It is about as HONEST as if I quoted the leader of the RLDS about what utah mormons believed and said "And a MORMON proved you wrong. . ."

3. Christian refuses to admit he was wrong by deleting the evidence and pretending it didn't even exist, while at the same time attempt to attack the evidence.


Sorry, but until you can CITE reasons to believe the first-century CHRISTIAN CHURCH (the one JESUS BUILT) ever believed in joey smith's 'spirit-babies' theory or your belief in a fellow demon of satan that you label 'jesus,' you have nothing to offer at all. You are lost, my friend, simply lost.

STILL NO SPIRIT BROTHER OF SATAN IN CHRIST'S CHURCH, EVER.

[Christian]

minnie posted:

Oh that's right....he was Lucifer and WASN'T evil when he became spirit-brother to Jesus Christ, and the rest of us. So your question is a bit misleading, don't you think, since we don't claim Jesus is spirit-sibling to ANY evil being since they were NOT evil when they were born?

You still cannot show any 'spirit babies' anywhere in the first century church beliefs. You SAY you found ONE PERSON who might have believed that, but no CITATIONS of course. . .

If your problem is that He is a spirit-sibling to ANYBODY....just say that LOL.

Jesus (as I posted before) CREATED the angels INCLUDING satan. There ARE no goddesses in heaven 'popping out spirit babies.' Your 'heavenly father being can't be playing jackrabbit with all of those 'wives' either, since he does not exist. So Jesus NEVER BECAME a spirit brother to satan OR joey smith or any other evil being. Joey smith MADE THAT DUNG UP.

[MickeyS]

Christian, if you're going to quote other people, you need to distinguish who said what. You just attributed what I said to somebody else...it's very confusing.

[MickeyS]

minnie posted:

Oh that's right....he was Lucifer and WASN'T evil when he became spirit-brother to Jesus Christ, and the rest of us. So your question is a bit misleading, don't you think, since we don't claim Jesus is spirit-sibling to ANY evil being since they were NOT evil when they were born?

You still cannot show any 'spirit babies' anywhere in the first century church beliefs. You SAY you found ONE PERSON who might have believed that, but no CITATIONS of course. . .

If your problem is that He is a spirit-sibling to ANYBODY....just say that LOL.

Jesus (as I posted before) CREATED the angels INCLUDING satan. There ARE no goddesses in heaven 'popping out spirit babies.' Your 'heavenly father being can't be playing jackrabbit with all of those 'wives' either, since he does not exist. So Jesus NEVER BECAME a spirit brother to satan OR joey smith or any other evil being. Joey smith MADE THAT DUNG UP.

Man, I seriously feel bad for you...I really do. You say a lot of insulting things about God...it's scary. I'm not being facetious..I seriously cringe for you every time you do this.

[alanmolstad]

Amen CHRISTIAN! ,...The Mormon Jesus is like a horny jackrabbit on date night....

[alanmolstad]

Christian, if you're going to quote other people, you need to distinguish who said what. You just attributed what I said to somebody else...it's very confusing.

Mickey has a point here.....

I never have understood the use of color ....

[MickeyS]

Mickey has a point here.....

I never have understood the use of color ....

I was actually pointing out the he attributed my comments to another person...what does that have to do with him using color? But the color does get confusing...yeah

[MickeyS]

Amen CHRISTIAN! ,...The Mormon Jesus is like a horny jackrabbit on date night....

What??? Where have we ever stated Christ has kids, let alone sex? Don't get too excited Alan.

[Christian]

Originally Posted by Christian http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/images/****ons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166199#post166199)
minnie posted:

Oh that's right....he was Lucifer and WASN'T evil when he became spirit-brother to Jesus Christ, and the rest of us. So your question is a bit misleading, don't you think, since we don't claim Jesus is spirit-sibling to ANY evil being since they were NOT evil when they were born?

You still cannot show any 'spirit babies' anywhere in the first century church beliefs. You SAY you found ONE PERSON who might have believed that, but no CITATIONS of course. . .

If your problem is that He is a spirit-sibling to ANYBODY....just say that LOL.

Jesus (as I posted before) CREATED the angels INCLUDING satan. There ARE no goddesses in heaven 'popping out spirit babies.' Your 'heavenly father being can't be playing jackrabbit with all of those 'wives' either, since he does not exist. So Jesus NEVER BECAME a spirit brother to satan OR joey smith or any other evil being. Joey smith MADE THAT DUNG UP.

Man, I seriously feel bad for you...I really do. You say a lot of insulting things about God...it's scary. I'm not being facetious..I seriously cringe for you every time you do this.


That's to be expected. Those who follow false gods that were made up by their false prophets SHOULD cringe whenever the Truth is told.

So I still pray for you

[MickeyS]

I don't cringe because I'm afraid of your words....I cringe because they're so over the top blasphemous that I just can't imagine how God is reacting to being repeatedly MOCKED by you. Not for God's sake (He is quite capable of taking care of business) but for YOUR sake. Seriously.!

[alanmolstad]

What??? Where have we ever stated Christ has kids, let alone sex? Don't get too excited Alan.
I thought the great Joe Smith said he was in the family tree of Jesus?

[alanmolstad]

I thought the great Joe Smith said he was in the family tree of Jesus?
Seems to me that I read that it was one of the things he used to come up with when he was trying to bed-down some girl....

[Christian]

I don't cringe because I'm afraid of your words....I cringe because they're so over the top blasphemous that I just can't imagine how God is reacting to being repeatedly MOCKED by you. Not for God's sake (He is quite capable of taking care of business) but for YOUR sake. Seriously.!

The REAL God, the God of the Bible knows I don't mock HIM. He knows I mock the demons YOU follow. Yes, you SHOULD cringe when the TRUTH is told.

Don't worry about ME. I am safe in the arms of JESUS CHRIST, the GOOD SHEPHERD who is NOT your demon 'spirit-brother-of-satan' 'jesus.'

[MickeyS]

Seems to me that I read that it was one of the things he used to come up with when he was trying to bed-down some girl....

I knew you had to bring sex up...Alan...are you JEALOUS because of all the sex you think Joseph Smith had??

You do realize that Jesus Christ has flesh and blood human family members as his very human mother had other children. It's a fact He had siblings...so why wouldn't He have family?

[Christian]

I knew you had to bring sex up...Alan...are you JEALOUS because of all the sex you think Joseph Smith had??

You do realize that Jesus Christ has flesh and blood human family members as his very human mother had other children. It's a fact He had siblings...so why wouldn't He have family?

The Holy Father is a Spirit without flesh or bones. Why would your religion try to make a jackrabbit out of him with imaginary 'mothergods' or 'goddesses?'

I guess smith considered your "holy father' to be an adulterer as he was. . .

[theway]

The Holy Father is a Spirit without flesh or bones. Why would your religion try to make a jackrabbit out of him with imaginary 'mothergods' or 'goddesses?'

I guess smith considered your "holy father' to be an adulterer as he was. . .

Like I said about you before... You are projecting your failings onto God; believeing that if God had a body of flesh and bones, than he could not do any better than you did.

Christian, just because you have a body of flesh and bones and are an adulterer, does not mean God was.

[MickeyS]

The Holy Father is a Spirit without flesh or bones. Why would your religion try to make a jackrabbit out of him with imaginary 'mothergods' or 'goddesses?'

I guess smith considered your "holy father' to be an adulterer as he was. . .


Ummmm....Alan wasn't talking about God being a horny jackrabbit, he was talking about Jesus....

[alanmolstad]

Ummmm....Alan wasn't talking about God being a horny jackrabbit, he was talking about Jesus....as far as I know...the Mormon Jesus is only a bit less horny than the Mormon Heavenly Father.......only slightly less.....

I seem to remember that Joe Smith taught that Jesus was married and that Smith was one of the offspring in the Jesus family tree.
Im not really sure of the context of when Smith came out with this lie, but I think it was when he was working on bedding some girl.

[alanmolstad]

the Mormon idea of the Father is like a horny jackrabbit on date night... :)

[Christian]

Like I said about you before... You are projecting your failings onto God, not believeing that if God had a body of flesh and bones, than he could not do any better than you did.

Christian, just because you have a body of flesh and bones and are an adulterer, does not mean God was.

Speak for yourself. No, I am not an adulterer. I leave that to your 'profit' joey smith. HE is the one who 'married' (had sex with, no doubt) other men's wives and little girls.

God the Father HAS no body of flesh or bones. HE SAID:

John 4:24
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
NKJV


Luke 24:38-39
"Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
NKJV

Apparently the ONLY ONE claiming God is an adulterer IS YOU.

I'll stick with what JESUS said. You may 'project' all you want.

[MickeyS]

as far as I know...the Mormon Jesus is only a bit less horny than the Mormon Heavenly Father.......only slightly less.....

I seem to remember that Joe Smith taught that Jesus was married and that Smith was one of the offspring in the Jesus family tree.
Im not really sure of the context of when Smith came out with this lie, but I think it was when he was working on bedding some girl.

Yes, please provide your "proof" that Joseph Smith ever made this statement, especially to "bed" his brides.

[MickeyS]

the Mormon idea of the Father is like a horny jackrabbit on date night... :)

You really are a nasty pervert Alan...I'm sorry...I know you can get away with talking about sex all the time because you're a moderator...but it's gross...it really is.

Your repeated comments denigrates the family as you believe sex is all about being "horny" only. So every child born on this earth was born because of a bunch of "horny jackrabbits". That's a very sad thing to focus on with the family.

[Christian]

You really are a nasty pervert Alan...I'm sorry...I know you can get away with talking about sex all the time because you're a moderator...but it's gross...it really is.

Your repeated comments denigrates the family as you believe sex is all about being "horny" only. So every child born on this earth was born because of a bunch of "horny jackrabbits". That's a very sad thing to focus on with the family.


When you are having sex with other men's wives as smith was, THAT denigrates the GODLY family. Smith was a *****-monger and an adulterer. You just can't get around that one. . .GOD never tells you to have sex with other men's wives.

GOD does not condone adultery.

[alanmolstad]

You really are a nasty pervert Alan...I'm sorry...I know you can get away with talking about sex all the time because you're a moderator...but it's gross...it really is.

Your repeated comments denigrates the family as you believe sex is all about being "horny" only. So every child born on this earth was born because of a bunch of "horny jackrabbits". That's a very sad thing to focus on with the family.
If you check...I never was referencing to any real children born on earth...
Rather Im referring to the Mormons who in the past have talked about a clearly very horny Father god in heaven, going from bed to bed making spirit babies.

Im also referring to the fact that I remember from somewhere that the Mormon founder Joe Smith talked about a new teaching he came out with that had Jesus knocking loafers with a girl....(was it one girl or two?..I will have to research that question)



and....try to not attack other members of this message forum in a personal manner...

[alanmolstad]

Smith was a *****-monger


*****-monger?
Im not sure he was that...
(but then again, Im not sure as to what the term refers?)

I will have to do research

[MickeyS]

If you check...I never was referencing to any real children born on earth...
Rather Im referring to the Mormons who in the past have talked about a clearly very horny Father god in heaven, going from bed to bed making spirit babies.

You are a spirit child of your Heavenly Father, again, if you want to get caught up in the sex part of a that and not the fact that you have a loving Father in Heaven...that's up to you.


and....try to not attack other members of this message forum in a personal manner...

Yeah....the "rules" whatever lol...sorry I don't have a whole lot of respect for them with the way you "enforce" them....so whatever. If you ban me for having a moment when it's done over and over by others...that's really not going to mean a whole lot to me either. Especially since I am only responding to your repeated inappropriate and disrespectful behavior. "Mocking someone's ideas or beliefs is baiting". Yet you repeatedly do it, so yeah....if you ban me for pointing that out...that's fine. But don't pretend you care about the rules when you don't even follow them.

[alanmolstad]

I was going over the listed Sexual conquests of Joe Smith,

and so far I do not find must evidence that he bothered with visiting hookers. So I'm not sure I will describe him as a "*****-monger"

from the accounts of his many dalliances http://mormonthink.com/grant6.htm I come away with the impression that the guy was always on the look out for a quick buck, and not really all that interested in spending a dime of his own money to get a women.

[MickeyS]

So far you have had no "evidence" of anything.

Those are unverifiable, unreliable, "uncheckable" sources, so you are making your judgments by your personal feelings from what you've "heard", and as long as it's negative towards Joseph Smith, you believe it...period, yet don't even investigate the other side. Therefore your references are meaningless...they're just other people's opinions backing up your opinions. You said it yourself "I come away with the impression"...opinions from opinions.

So what comes from it is repe***ive mocking of what we believe....baiting. Anyone who rolls through here needs to know the "rules" only apply to those who you agree with.

[Christian]

So far you have had no "evidence" of anything.

Those are unverifiable, unreliable, "uncheckable" sources, so you are making your judgments by your personal feelings from what you've "heard", and as long as it's negative towards Joseph Smith, you believe it...period, yet don't even investigate the other side. Therefore your references are meaningless...they're just other people's opinions backing up your opinions. You said it yourself "I come away with the impression"...opinions from opinions.

So what comes from it is repe***ive mocking of what we believe....baiting. Anyone who rolls through here needs to know the "rules" only apply to those who you agree with.

So far we have shown you SPECIFICALLY that the God of the Bible only 'fathered' (begat) ONE son (John 3:16 etc), yet your false prophet has (according to you) said that God the Father 'begat' or fathered zillions of 'spirit children' including Satan.

We have shown CLEARLY that Jesus CREATED Satan and that the CREATOR is NOT a 'BROTHER' to his CREATION. (John 1:1-3).

You are still failing to address those facts. Oh yes, and then there is the matter of How many real Gods exist anywhere
The Bible says ONLY ONE (Isaiah 43:10, 44:6, 44:8) Joey smith claimed MORE THAN ONE (pgp Abraham 4:1ff)

[MickeyS]

So far we have shown you SPECIFICALLY that the God of the Bible only 'fathered' (begat) ONE son (John 3:16 etc), yet your false prophet has (according to you) said that God the Father 'begat' or fathered zillions of 'spirit children' including Satan.

We have shown CLEARLY that Jesus CREATED Satan and that the CREATOR is NOT a 'BROTHER' to his CREATION. (John 1:1-3).

You are still failing to address those facts. Oh yes, and then there is the matter of How many real Gods exist anywhere
The Bible says ONLY ONE (Isaiah 43:10, 44:6, 44:8) Joey smith claimed MORE THAN ONE (pgp Abraham 4:1ff)


Once again changing the subject from what I was saying to Alan, I don't know what any of what you just said has anything to do with the fact that Alan is breaking forum rules

[alanmolstad]

We have shown CLEARLY that Jesus CREATED Satan and that the CREATOR is NOT a 'BROTHER' to his CREATION. (John 1:1-3).



Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phoenix]

you really are a nasty pervert alan...i'm sorry...i know you can get away with talking about sex all the time because you're a moderator...but it's gross...it really is.

Your repeated comments denigrates the family as you believe sex is all about being "horny" only. So every child born on this earth was born because of a bunch of "horny jackrabbits". That's a very sad thing to focus on with the family.

amen!!!!!!!!!!!!