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Apologette
03-20-2016, 06:45 AM
--"The prophet [Joseph Smith] was . . . at odds with his long-time friend and counselor Sidney Rigdon over a reputed polygamous proposal on 9 April 1842 to Rigdon's unmarried daughter Nancy. George W. Robinson, a prominent Nauvoo citizen married to another of Rigdon's daughters, wrote to James A. Bennett, a New York friend to the church, on 22 July 1842, that 'Smith sent for Miss Rigdon to come to the house of Mrs. [Orson] Hyde, who lived in the under-rooms of the printing- office. . . . According to Robinson, Nancy 'inquired of the messenger . . . what was wanting, and the only reply was, that Smith wanted to see her.' Robinson claimed that Smith took her into a room, 'locked the door, and then stated to her that he had had an affection for her for several years, and wished that she should be his; that the Lord was well pleased with this matter, for he had got a revelation on the subject, and God had given him all the blessings of Jacob, etc., etc., and that there was no sin whatever.' Robinson reported that Nancy 'repulsed him and was about to raise the neighbors if he did not unlock the door and let her out' . . . .

"Nancy's brother, John, recounting the incident later, remembered that 'Nancy refused him, saying if she ever got married she would marry a single man or none at all, and took her bonnet and went home, leaving Joseph . . . .' Nancy withheld details of the situation from her family until a day or two later, when a letter from the prophet was delivered by Smith's personal secretary, Willard Richards. 'Happiness is the object and design of our existence,' the letter began. 'That which is wrong under one circumstance, may be, and often is, right uner another.' The letter went ont to teach that 'whatever God requires is right, no matter what it is, although we may not see the reason thereof til long after the events transpire. . . . Our Heavenly Father is more liberal in his views, and boundless in his mercies and blessings, than we are ready to believe or receive.'

"Nancy showed the prophet's letter to her father and told him of the incident at the Hyde residence. Rigdon demanded an audience with Smith. George W. Robinson reported that when Smith came to Rigdon's home, the enraged father asked for an explanation. The prophet 'attempted to deny it at first,' Robinson said, 'and face her down with the lie; but she told the facts with so much earnestness, and the fact of a letter being present, which he had caused to be written to her on the same subject, the day after the attempt made on her virtue,' that ultimately 'he could not withstand the testimony; he then and there acknowledged that every word of Miss Rigdon's testimony was true' . . . . Much later, John Rigdon elaborated that 'Nancy was one of those excitable women and she went into the room and said, "Joseph Smith, you are telling that which is not true. You did make such a proposition to me and you know it [crossed out in the original]: 'The woman who was there said to Nancy, "Are you not afraid to call the Lord's anointed a cursed liar?" "No," she replied, "I am not for he does lie and he knows it"]' . . . .

"Robinson wrote that Smith, after acknowledging the incident, claimed he had propositioned Nancy because he 'wished to ascertain whether she was virtuous or not, and took that course to learn the facts!' . . . But the Rigdon family would not accept such an explanation. They were persuaded that the rumors about the prophet's polygamy doctrine had been confirmed. The issue continued to be a serious source of contention between the two church leaders until Smith's death in 1844. According to John Rigdon, Sidney told the family that Smith 'could never be sealed to one of his daughters with his consent as he did not believe in the doctrine' . . . . Rigdon preferred to keep his difficulties with the prophet private, but John C. Bennet's detailed disclosures made this impossible. . . .

"There is no solid evidence that Rigdon ever advocated polygamy. His son John maintained that Rigdon 'took the ground no matter from what source it came, whether from [the] Prophet, seer [and] revelator or angels from heaven, [that] it was a false doctrine and should be rejected' . . . . Yet accusations linking Ridgon to polygamy and insinuating that his daughter Nancy was a pros***ute undermined his status as the only surviving member of the First Presidency [following the ******ination of Smith]."

(Richard S. Van Wagoner, "Mormon Polygamy: A History" [Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1986], pp. 30-31, 73)

Joseph Smith was a notorious liar and frequently approached women for bedroom privileges and if he was sent packing, threatened to ruin their reputations - he did this with Jane Law, William Law's wife. Wrong move for the pervert, since in the end William Law published the Nauvoo Expositor to expose the rascal, and we all know what happened after that!

MickeyS
03-21-2016, 01:11 PM
Oh boy, here we go. More from the desk of Mr John Bennett. You can always tell the "accounts" that he had his dirty fingers in, lol.

You know, the original anti-Mormon authors, they don't even take John Bennett seriously, nor do they trust his information.

alanmolstad
03-21-2016, 01:38 PM
Ive said it before, and this just supports my view:

Smith needed shooting....


The guy was just horn-dog crazy for younger and younger girls and Smith made up all this junk about religion only to get tail......

Apologette
03-21-2016, 01:44 PM
Ive said it before, and this just supports my view:

Smith needed shooting....


The guy was just horn-dog crazy for younger and younger girls and Smith made up all this junk about religion only to get tail......

He was the prototype for Warren Jeffs!

Apologette
03-21-2016, 01:47 PM
Ive said it before, and this just supports my view:

Smith needed shooting....


The guy was just horn-dog crazy for younger and younger girls and Smith made up all this junk about religion only to get tail......


Smith was the prototype of Warren Jeffs - and the sad thing is that you see how these Mormons here are gullible enough to believe the Mormon spin! They'll swallow anything, and try to blame others. The blame should be placed right on Smith - he was a sexual stalker.

Apologette
03-21-2016, 01:47 PM
Ive said it before, and this just supports my view:

Smith needed shooting....


The guy was just horn-dog crazy for younger and younger girls and Smith made up all this junk about religion only to get tail......


Smith was the prototype for Warren Jeffs - and the sad thing is that you see how these Mormons here are gullible enough to believe the Mormon spin! They'll swallow anything, and try to blame others. The blame should be placed right on Smith - he was a sexual stalker and pervert. How could this be a "tale" of John Bennett, when it came from the mouth of Nancy Rigdon? The Mormons don't think.

alanmolstad
03-21-2016, 01:50 PM
Smith was the prototype for Warren Jeffs - and the sad thing is that you see how these Mormons here are gullible enough to believe the Mormon spin! They'll swallow anything, and try to blame others. The blame should be placed right on Smith - he was a sexual stalker and pedophile.

Amen!


that needs to be said all the time here...

Apologette
03-21-2016, 01:55 PM
Amen!


that needs to be said all the time here...

I changed it a little bit to say: "Smith was the prototype for Warren Jeffs - and the sad thing is that you see how these Mormons here are gullible enough to believe the Mormon spin! They'll swallow anything, and try to blame others. The blame should be placed right on Smith - he was a sexual stalker and pervert. How could this be a "tale" of John Bennett, when it came from the mouth of Nancy Rigdon? The Mormons don't think."

I worked for years in the Human Services field as a caseworker. There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that Smith would have been incarcerated and given therapy for sexual offenders and sex addicts if he lived in our day. Of course, rational Americans, even Mormons, wouldn't be handing over their 14 year old kids to this monster! Although, I've had TBMs claim they would do so if Smith asked...........so, Smith is their god in reality - thinking Americans would never sacrifice their female children to such evil!

alanmolstad
03-21-2016, 02:04 PM
we like to think so...

We like to think that most modern Mormons would not be so crazy that they would go so far as to allow a dirty old man to have sex with one of their children...

But we see in comments over and over that the past truly evil things are given a coat of paint by some Mormons and overlooked as "Just how things were back then"....

The truth is....that I bet if you could time-travel and took a modern Mormon back to the time of Smith, most would be ever so happy to hand over their youngest child to his sexual sickness.

Mormons talk a big game about the roll of "marriage"...yet seem to miss the point when they are confronted by the fact that Smith went after married women.....

Think of that.....
Think how that is just pure hypocrisy....
The hypocrisy of the Mormon teachings on marriage is truly sickening....

alanmolstad
04-01-2016, 11:55 PM
--"The prophet [Joseph Smith] was . . . at odds with his long-time friend and counselor Sidney Rigdon over a reputed polygamous proposal on 9 April 1842 to Rigdon's unmarried daughter Nancy. George W. Robinson, a prominent Nauvoo citizen married to another of Rigdon's daughters, wrote to James A. Bennett, a New York friend to the church, on 22 July 1842, that 'Smith sent for Miss Rigdon to come to the house of Mrs. [Orson] Hyde, who lived in the under-rooms of the printing- office. . . . According to Robinson, Nancy 'inquired of the messenger . . . what was wanting, and the only reply was, that Smith wanted to see her.' Robinson claimed that Smith took her into a room, 'locked the door, and then stated to her that he had had an affection for her for several years, and wished that she should be his; that the Lord was well pleased with this matter, for he had got a revelation on the subject, and God had given him all the blessings of Jacob, etc., etc., and that there was no sin whatever.' Robinson reported that Nancy 'repulsed him and was about to raise the neighbors if he did not unlock the door and let her out' . . . .

"Nancy's brother, John, recounting the incident later, remembered that 'Nancy refused him, saying if she ever got married she would marry a single man or none at all, and took her bonnet and went home, leaving Joseph . . . .' Nancy withheld details of the situation from her family until a day or two later, when a letter from the prophet was delivered by Smith's personal secretary, Willard Richards. 'Happiness is the object and design of our existence,' the letter began. 'That which is wrong under one circumstance, may be, and often is, right uner another.' The letter went ont to teach that 'whatever God requires is right, no matter what it is, although we may not see the reason thereof til long after the events transpire. . . . Our Heavenly Father is more liberal in his views, and boundless in his mercies and blessings, than we are ready to believe or receive.'

"Nancy showed the prophet's letter to her father and told him of the incident at the Hyde residence. Rigdon demanded an audience with Smith. George W. Robinson reported that when Smith came to Rigdon's home, the enraged father asked for an explanation. The prophet 'attempted to deny it at first,' Robinson said, 'and face her down with the lie; but she told the facts with so much earnestness, and the fact of a letter being present, which he had caused to be written to her on the same subject, the day after the attempt made on her virtue,' that ultimately 'he could not withstand the testimony; he then and there acknowledged that every word of Miss Rigdon's testimony was true' . . . . Much later, John Rigdon elaborated that 'Nancy was one of those excitable women and she went into the room and said, "Joseph Smith, you are telling that which is not true. You did make such a proposition to me and you know it [crossed out in the original]: 'The woman who was there said to Nancy, "Are you not afraid to call the Lord's anointed a cursed liar?" "No," she replied, "I am not for he does lie and he knows it"]' . . . .

"Robinson wrote that Smith, after acknowledging the incident, claimed he had propositioned Nancy because he 'wished to ascertain whether she was virtuous or not, and took that course to learn the facts!' . . . But the Rigdon family would not accept such an explanation. They were persuaded that the rumors about the prophet's polygamy doctrine had been confirmed. The issue continued to be a serious source of contention between the two church leaders until Smith's death in 1844. According to John Rigdon, Sidney told the family that Smith 'could never be sealed to one of his daughters with his consent as he did not believe in the doctrine' . . . . Rigdon preferred to keep his difficulties with the prophet private, but John C. Bennet's detailed disclosures made this impossible. . . .

"There is no solid evidence that Rigdon ever advocated polygamy. His son John maintained that Rigdon 'took the ground no matter from what source it came, whether from [the] Prophet, seer [and] revelator or angels from heaven, [that] it was a false doctrine and should be rejected' . . . . Yet accusations linking Ridgon to polygamy and insinuating that his daughter Nancy was a pros***ute undermined his status as the only surviving member of the First Presidency [following the ******ination of Smith]."

(Richard S. Van Wagoner, "Mormon Polygamy: A History" [Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1986], pp. 30-31, 73)

Joseph Smith was a notorious liar and frequently approached women for bedroom privileges and if he was sent packing, threatened to ruin their reputations - he did this with Jane Law, William Law's wife. Wrong move for the pervert, since in the end William Law published the Nauvoo Expositor to expose the rascal, and we all know what happened after that!
It reminds me of the time they dragged old Smith out of a house to cut his testicles off....but then when the guy that was going to do it backed-out of the *** they just tared and feathered Smith..

It's just too bad too, I keep thinking that had they simply took the cow De-horner to him that we would not have to deal with any Mormonism today....

BigJulie
04-02-2016, 02:44 PM
It reminds me of the time they dragged old Smith out of a house to cut his testicles off....but then when the guy that was going to do it backed-out of the *** they just tared and feathered Smith..

It's just too bad too, I keep thinking that had they simply took the cow De-horner to him that we would not have to deal with any Mormonism today....

Not surprised then that you also back banning Muslims (accused by their faith). I suppose had you been in Germany, you would have supported the violence against the Jews.

teenapenny
04-03-2016, 08:09 AM
Not surprised then that you also back banning Muslims (accused by their faith). I suppose had you been in Germany, you would have supported the violence against the Jews.
What an unkind thing to say.

MickeyS
04-03-2016, 08:31 AM
What an unkind thing to say.

But gleeful talk of castration isn't?


This place is so odd.

Phoenix
04-03-2016, 11:33 AM
What an unkind thing to say.

the truth can sometimes seem unkind

BigJulie
04-03-2016, 01:40 PM
What an unkind thing to say.

Yup, but everything he has told me about his beliefs so far backs violence and exclusion of those of different faiths. I point out the Jews just as an example of those who thought likewise and how it played out. I hope it is an eye-opener for him.

BigJulie
04-03-2016, 01:48 PM
But gleeful talk of castration isn't?


This place is so odd.

Yes, I would agree. As long as this type of talk is only pointed at "others" it is done in "love." Once directed back to themselves, it becomes unkind.

BigJulie
04-03-2016, 01:53 PM
But gleeful talk of castration isn't?


This place is so odd.

Yes, I would agree. As long as this type of talk is only pointed at "others" it is done in "love." Once directed back to themselves, it becomes unkind.

Apologette
05-11-2016, 04:32 PM
Ive said it before, and this just supports my view:

Smith needed shooting....


The guy was just horn-dog crazy for younger and younger girls and Smith made up all this junk about religion only to get tail......

He was definitely mentally ill - delusional, narcissistic, and sexually perverted.