Beck Claims Cruz in the Fulfillment of Mormon Prophecy

[Apologette]

What kind of Christian is Cruz to accept support from such an evil cult as Mormonism?

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/03/19/salt-lake-tribune-cruz-in-utah-glenn-beck-says-hes-fulfillment-of-mormon-prophecy/

Christians need to call Cruz out - is he really a Mormon, and if not, why is he in bed with Beck?

[Erundur]

Christians need to call Cruz out - is he really a Mormon, and if not, why is he in bed with Beck?
Probably because he's not a psychotic Mormon-hater.

[Apologette]

Probably because he will do anything for votes, including pander to false cultists like you.

[Erundur]

Probably because he will do anything for votes, including pander to false cultists like you.
Probably not anything; I doubt he would pander to religious bigots like you.

[Apologette]

Probably not anything; I doubt he would pander to religious bigots like you.

How do you know I'm a bigot? I'm simply refuting the terrible lies of Joseph Smith and your cult. Are you a bigot for calling someone who does that a bigot. Grow up.

[Erundur]

How do you know I'm a bigot?
Reading your posts. You hate Beck because he's a Mormon, and now you hate Cruz because he has accepted the support of a Mormon.

[Apologette]

Reading your posts. You hate Beck because he's a Mormon, and now you hate Cruz because he has accepted the support of a Mormon.
The only one demonstrating any hate here is you pal. How're those tent cities coming?

[MichaellS]

Probably because he's not a psychotic Mormon-hater.

One thing I don’t trifle is predictions. Is he maintaining 100% accuracy on his?

Mike.
.

[Apologette]

Joe Smith sure wasn't accurate, and we can all see the outcome of that!

[MichaellS]

Joe Smith sure wasn't accurate, and we can all see the outcome of that!

Refresh for me would you and reclaim a love for accuracy and not hate for a mortal which I trust you aren’t fixated on; are there known issues (at least here) that have to be walked-back by the supporters of J.Smith?

Yes, I haven't followed this section too closely.

Mike.
.

[MickeyS]

One thing I don’t trifle is predictions. Is he maintaining 100% accuracy on his?

Mike.
.

I haven't read the article so I don't know what "prophecy" is being claimed.

But quite simply, he can't be claiming 100% accuracy on this because he has no place in claiming any prophecy. If he does, he doesn't have a testimony of the church, and has some pride issues going on.

But he's just a man. With opinions, like anyone. But just because he's a member of the LDS church doesn't mean he IS the church, or speaks for the church.

[Apologette]

Refresh for me would you and reclaim a love for accuracy and not hate for a mortal which I trust you aren’t fixated on; are there known issues (at least here) that have to be walked-back by the supporters of J.Smith?

Yes, I haven't followed this section too closely.

Mike.
.

Put that in more understandable terms.

[Apologette]

Refresh for me would you and reclaim a love for accuracy and not hate for a mortal which I trust you aren’t fixated on; are there known issues (at least here) that have to be walked-back by the supporters of J.Smith?

Yes, I haven't followed this section too closely.

Mike.
.

Put that in more understandable terms. Mormonism is a cult and has changed about every core doctrine of Christianity, while maintaining they are the true Christian Church. It's sort of like Anglicans claiming they are the true Buddhists. Perhaps this Catholic article on Mormonism is most insightful:

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2012/04/11/mormonism-is-not-a-christian-religion/

[MickeyS]

That's interesting you would post a Catholic article when members of this site also claim Cathlocism isn't Christian, isn't a true religion and is a cult. I understand Catholism is listed under "Christianity" here, but every Protestant "Christian" I have encountered here do not consider Catholicism as a valid religion.

Now you trust a Catholic article to give you correct information about Christianity?

Do you see the conflict with this?

[Apologette]

Refresh for me would you and reclaim a love for accuracy and not hate for a mortal which I trust you aren’t fixated on; are there known issues (at least here) that have to be walked-back by the supporters of J.Smith?

Yes, I haven't followed this section too closely.

Mike.
.

Here is additional information on why Mormonism has nothing to do with Christianity. Islam has more in common with Christianity than Mormonism: http://www.cul****ch.com/mormon.html

[MichaellS]

I haven't read the article so I don't know what "prophecy" is being claimed.

But quite simply, he can't be claiming 100% accuracy on this because he has no place in claiming any prophecy. If he does, he doesn't have a testimony of the church, and has some pride issues going on.

But he's just a man. With opinions, like anyone. But just because he's a member of the LDS church doesn't mean he IS the church, or speaks for the church.

Honestly, shouldn’t we be a tad more careful here when moving opinions about such as defending the church posture coupled with secular opinion? Seems if I were to join them, that a secular remark would tend to dilute the layman’s defense, leaving the “testimony of the church” vulnerable to a much wider inclusion/interpretation, IMO?

But I would hope you too know there is little left to contest in the wake of all those who willingly swallow the prophetic morsel, ,all for the gain that might result. It all too often leads the leader to ruin who later comes to realize he stood in error at a place incapable to discern between ambition and spiritual excellence.

[alanmolstad]

Probably not anything; I doubt he would pander to religious bigots like you.
try to play nice...

[MichaellS]

Sluggish delays causes duplicates - get with it webmaster!

[MichaellS]

Here is additional information on why Mormonism has nothing to do with Christianity. Islam has more in common with Christianity than Mormonism: http://www.cul****ch.com/mormon.html

Thanks for the links.

I guess I was searching for the pulse on what level of anecdotal the supporters lend or tend to walk-back from the table?

Just trying to narrow the pro-con foot race you know. It’s been years since I have undertaken the comparisons, seems I’ve got my hands full enough keeping the candle trimmed in the word.

[alanmolstad]

How do you know I'm a bigot? I'm simply refuting the terrible lies of Joseph Smith and your cult. Are you a bigot for calling someone who does that a bigot. Grow up.

They need to mind their manners....

Smith was a guy who told a LOT of lies....mostly to get younger girl into his bed.

He even admitted that he got revelation from Satan.

he was the lowest form of scum as he used his high position (in a church he invented) to get control over others and was able to convince them to allow him to sexually exploit even the wives of deceived followers who trusted him.

So it is very permissible for you to tell others of this important message,and you should be thanked for your work in this area.......but we dont need to start calling each other names as we work to spread the truth about Smith.

[MickeyS]

Honestly, shouldn’t we be a tad more careful here when moving opinions about such as defending the church posture coupled with secular opinion? Seems if I were to join them, that a secular remark would tend to dilute the layman’s defense, leaving the “testimony of the church” vulnerable to a much wider inclusion/interpretation, IMO?

But I would hope you too know there is little left to contest in the wake of all those who willingly swallow the prophetic morsel, ,all for the gain that might result. It all too often leads the leader to ruin who later comes to realize he stood in error at a place incapable to discern between ambition and spiritual excellence.


I'm not sure I'm following what you're saying and I don't want to misinterpret anything. If you could please put all that into "layman's terms" I would really appreciate it. I.e. "dumb it down" as it were lol ;)

Thanks

[alanmolstad]

What kind of Christian is Cruz to accept support from such an evil cult as Mormonism?


the type of Christian that is way behind my man Trump....

Cruz thinks he has to try anything he can to catch Trump in Arizona...

Its about votes...and thats about money....
Its about Mitt being talked out of running for President this year by Bush when Bush promised him he would get the VP position on the Bush team.
When Bush failed, and dropped out, Mitt was left high and dry without any way to get back into position of being a VP...

Thus when Cruz asked Mitt to speak out against Trump it came with the promise that if Cruz wins the top slot oj the Republican ticket he will give the VP slot to Mitt.

So Mitt is leading the attack against Trump because Mitt knows Trump would never pick him to be his VP.



So that is why so many Mormons are against Trump, they know that Mitt will be on the ticket and become the next VP if they can push out Trump and get Cruz elected...

So the Mormon church has put the word out to Beck to come down hard on Trump and to promote the heck out of Cruz.




and that is what is happening , and why.....

[MichaellS]

I'm not sure I'm following what you're saying and I don't want to misinterpret anything. If you could please put all that into "layman's terms" I would really appreciate it. I.e. "dumb it down" as it were lol ;)

Thanks

Sorry,

First paragraph – Not saying you are secular, but saying “just a man” could be construed as mixing in secular.

Second paragraph – The dangers of false prophesy.

[alanmolstad]

Sorry,

First paragraph – Not saying you are secular, but saying “just a man” could be construed as mixing in secular.

Second paragraph – The dangers of false prophesy.

we shall have to see if this actually helps.....

[MickeyS]

So the Mormon church has put the word out to Beck to come down hard on Trump and to promote the heck out of Cruz



Omigosh lolol...what???? Are you serious with this???

[alanmolstad]

Omigosh lolol...what???? Are you serious with this???
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mitt-romney-called-top-vp-pick-in-2016/article/2565369


It was in the news that something called the " the Deseret News" was receiving daily calls and letters pushing the idea of Mitt being on the Republican ticket..

also Another Utah newspaper, the Salt Lake Tribune, published an op-ed piece by a former writer to lay out reasons Mitt would be the right fit...

Beck suggestion that Cruz is the fulfillment of Mormon Prophecy is a clear reference to the idea that Cruz will pick a Mormon to be on his ticket and thus the Mormons will have a means to say that their Prophecy came true and it supports their prophet and their religion....


Thus this is the real reason that Beck has made his push over the last few weeks with the full support of his church and the members of his church that listen to him and are looking forward to what Beck is looking forward to.....Mitt named VP.....or Mitt leads the ticket!


there are two ways to do this from the mormon point of view.
Get a brokered convention and push Mitt as the one guy who will unit the Party...

or...

Get Cruz to win the top spot and have Cruz owe Mitt a shot at being the VP on the ticket.
Both things would work to support the Mormon claim about fulfilling the Mormon Prophey...


That is the reason behind all this junk in the news....

[Erundur]

The only one demonstrating any hate here is you pal.
Cl***ic anti-Mormon projection.


How're those tent cities coming?
I don't have any tent cities. You?

[Erundur]

One thing I don’t trifle is predictions. Is he maintaining 100% accuracy on his?
Who, Ted Cruz?

[Apologette]

Romney for VP? I guess we shouldn't be surprised - Cruz all but promised the Supreme Court to Lee. What a sell out this Cruz is. He disgusts me. And dominionism is tied in with this:

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/newapostolic.htmlwww.deceptioninthechurch.com/newapostolic.html

Hey maybe Beck wants to claim this guy as a Messianic figure for the Mormons, but a discerning Christian should see the truth.

[Apologette]

Cl***ic anti-Mormon projection.


I don't have any tent cities. You?

Wing Ding Mormons certainly do.

http://www.abysmal.com/LDS/Preparedness/why_tent_cities.pdf

And as far as being anti-Mormonism, you better believe I am. You are leading millions straight to hell and your fallacious cult is getting very wealthy in the process! I wonder how much you Mormon cultist are funneling to Cruz?

[MickeyS]

Sorry,

First paragraph – Not saying you are secular, but saying “just a man” could be construed as mixing in secular.

Second paragraph – The dangers of false prophesy.


Okay, Glenn Beck IS speaking in a secular capacity. His *** is not church related or endorsed. So, yes, his statements he's making are made by a guy at his ***.

He has no place making official statements about prophecy.

And that's exactly what I originally said, so I'm confused with your statements.

A religion can't be held accountable for any statements (or actions) individuals make on their own. So, yes, if Beck has a testimony of the church, he knows his statements are mere opinions and are NOT prophecy. If he believes he's actually prophesying, then he is an apostate.

But I'm pretty sure he knows his statements are merely conjecture and speculation.

Are you under the impression he's prophesying in the name of the church?

[Apologette]

Okay, Glenn Beck IS speaking in a secular capacity. His *** is not church related or endorsed. So, yes, his statements he's making are made by a guy at his ***.

He has no place making official statements about prophecy.

And that's exactly what I originally said, so I'm confused with your statements.

A religion can't be held accountable for any statements (or actions) individuals make on their own. So, yes, if Beck has a testimony of the church, he knows his statements are mere opinions and are NOT prophecy. If he believes he's actually prophesying, then he is an apostate.

But I'm pretty sure he knows his statements are merely conjecture and speculation.

Are you under the impression he's prophesying in the name of the church?

Beck is a trojan horse the Mormon cult uses to pollute Christianity.

[Erundur]

Wing Ding Mormons certainly do.
Then let's see them! Show us where they are!

[alanmolstad]

Beck is a trojan horse the Mormon cult uses to pollute Christianity.
I would say this is likely very true...

The only thing I have against Mitt is that his reasons for speaking out against other Republicans (at this point in the election) are so clearly aimed at getting on the ticket....and its kinda sad that Cruz will play that same game....thats how these guys do it...

It's this need to have back-room deal making.....thats what i object to

[alanmolstad]

Are you under the impression he's prophesying in the name of the church?

From my point of view , its like this..

The prophey was a lie....

So quoting the prophesy means you are quoting and believing in a lie....
So you are spreading lies.

So even spreading this personal view Beck has of the Prophecy makes him just as guilty as the person who told the lie in the first place....

So in a very real way....Beck is guilty of being a "False prophet" as is Smith and Young , and all the others than came after ...

[alanmolstad]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/19/glenn-beck-rallies-for-cruz-in-utah-quotes-mormon-prophecy-body-of-the-priesthood-will-stand-up-when-the-cons***ution-hangs-by-a-thread-i-bel/

"The famous Mormon prophecy Beck was referring to is known as the “White Horse Prophesy,” which was purportedly made by the Mormon founder Joseph Smith in 1843.

In the prophecy, Smith allegedly told the Mormon faithful that at some point in the future: “You will go to the Rocky Mountains and you will be a great and mighty people established there, which I will call the White Horse of peace and safety.” Smith then allegedly claimed that at that future date, “You will see the Cons***ution of the United States almost destroyed. It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”

Generations of Mormons – from Brigham Young to Glenn Beck – have repeatedly used that phrase about the Cons***ution hanging by “a thread” to signal their belief in Smith’s prophecy or some variation thereof, in which the Mormon faithful will play a key role in defending the Cons***ution.
"





so the idea behind all this stuff in the news is not that Beck is against Trump at all.
Nor is Mitt actually against Trump at all.
But what it pushing all this stuff is the need many Mormons like Beck have to make the prophecy come true....

And the way they believe they can work to bring the prophecy true is to work against Trump to the point that Cruz picks Mitt as the VP...
or....
Work against Trump to the point that there is a brokered convention and push Mitt as the one guy to lead the ticket that can unite the Party...



That is why Beck and Mitt and many other Republican Mormons are acting the way they are....

[MickeyS]

Who, Ted Cruz?

Ohhhh, is he talking about Ted Cruz??

[Erundur]

Ohhhh, is he talking about Ted Cruz??
Dunno, but that's who I was talking about. He'll have to explain which predictions he's referring to.

[alanmolstad]

Ohhhh, is he talking about Ted Cruz??


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/19/glenn-beck-rallies-for-cruz-in-utah-quotes-mormon-prophecy-body-of-the-priesthood-will-stand-up-when-the-cons***ution-hangs-by-a-thread-i-bel/

[MickeyS]

From my point of view , its like this..

The prophey was a lie....

So quoting the prophesy means you are quoting and believing in a lie....
So you are spreading lies.

So even spreading this personal view Beck has of the Prophecy makes him just as guilty as the person who told the lie in the first place....

So in a very real way....Beck is guilty of being a "False prophet" as is Smith and Young , and all the others than came after ...

Since this was never prophecy (now that I know what "prophecy" you're talking about), then that would be quite a trick.

Rumor may be taken as fact in your world, but in the church there are proper channels that exist to establish ACTUAL prophecy. Otherwise a prophet can say he's going to go to lunch and then doesn't and that can be called "false prophecy".

But there is no record nor proof that the prophet ever actually made all these statements, and certainly never authorized by church leadership. Joseph Smith never penned it, and it did not even come out until after he was already dead.

Also....how do you figure Beck is a "false prophet" when he was never a prophet in the first place, nor did he ever claim to be.

[MickeyS]

It was in the news that something called the " the Deseret News" was receiving daily calls and letters pushing the idea of Mitt being on the Republican ticket

Calls from who? Sounds like opinions to me, so what?


also Another Utah newspaper, the Salt Lake Tribune, published an op-ed piece by a former writer to lay out reasons Mitt would be the right fit...[QUOTE]

You do understand what "OP-ED" means right??

From this you got that the church is in cahoots with ....snicker.... Glenn Beck??
Can't even say that with a straight face ;) How do you make these conclusions??

[QUOTE]Beck suggestion that Cruz is the fulfillment of Mormon Prophecy is a clear reference to the idea that Cruz will pick a Mormon to be on his ticket and thus the Mormons will have a means to say that their Prophecy came true and it supports their prophet and their religion....

The Mormons have no such prophecy, see my other post.


Thus this is the real reason that Beck has made his push over the last few weeks with the full support of his church

You really need to show ANY proof at all that church leadership has Glenn Beck working for them. You can't, there isn't any, it's not happening. He doesn't work for the church and has never said he does. He doesn't speak for the church, and never says he does. He speaks as an individual who happens to be Mormon, do you not see the distinction?

Now, do you know how I know for a fact he doesn't work for the church? Because the "prophecy" you say Beck is addressing, isn't even prophecy. It has not been uttered directly from a Church leader EVER in an official capacity (which would make it prophecy) So you need to show ANY proof that this "prophecy" Beck is allegedly claiming is being "fulfilled" is actually prophecy at all.

Even IF there is some big conspiracy by Beck to push Cruz to back Romney as VP to push what he believes is some backdoor "fulfillment" of "prophecy"...

He is still NOT speaking for the church, he does not represent the church, and never has.

And that's all a big "IF" there is prophecy he is claiming will be fulfilled...Now.....let's address this "prophecy"

[alanmolstad]

Since this was never prophecy

well we agreeon that part..

The point is the Beck believes it is a prophecy 100% and also believes that Cruz is the prophecy being fulfilled in our lifetime..
Beck says this very clearly both in his speech and on his radio show...over and over...etc...

So there is no doubt that Beck believes it....and as he is the one behind all this stuff in the news....its his views that are being reported on....




But like I said, I dont believe for one moment it was a real prophecy and I dont believe a word out of Beck's religion...
So that is why I find him guilty of being a false prophet, because he is spreading word that god did not speak,,,,thus beck spreads lies in God's name....

[MickeyS]

Beck can do whatever he wants, he doesn't speak for the church

[MickeyS]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/19/glenn-beck-rallies-for-cruz-in-utah-quotes-mormon-prophecy-body-of-the-priesthood-will-stand-up-when-the-cons***ution-hangs-by-a-thread-i-bel/

"The famous Mormon prophecy Beck was referring to is known as the “White Horse Prophesy,” which was purportedly made by the Mormon founder Joseph Smith in 1843.

In the prophecy, Smith allegedly told the Mormon faithful that at some point in the future: “You will go to the Rocky Mountains and you will be a great and mighty people established there, which I will call the White Horse of peace and safety.” Smith then allegedly claimed that at that future date, “You will see the Cons***ution of the United States almost destroyed. It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”

Generations of Mormons – from Brigham Young to Glenn Beck – have repeatedly used that phrase about the Cons***ution hanging by “a thread” to signal their belief in Smith’s prophecy or some variation thereof, in which the Mormon faithful will play a key role in defending the Cons***ution.
"





so the idea behind all this stuff in the news is not that Beck is against Trump at all.
Nor is Mitt actually against Trump at all.
But what it pushing all this stuff is the need many Mormons like Beck have to make the prophecy come true....

And the way they believe they can work to bring the prophecy true is to work against Trump to the point that Cruz picks Mitt as the VP...
or....
Work against Trump to the point that there is a brokered convention and push Mitt as the one guy to lead the ticket that can unite the Party...



That is why Beck and Mitt and many other Republican Mormons are acting the way they are....


See, the thing is, is that this "white horse prophecy" was allegedly heard by two individuals, who didn't say anything about it until after Joseph Smiths death.

To say that this statement was addressed to the "Mormon faithful" is disingenuous or naive, because he never made any such statements to the members of the church. It has never been official doctrine, and has never at any time been officially put forth as prophecy.

For all that anybody knows, these two individuals heard things said by the prophet, and added things to it. But whatever may or may not have been said, is irrelevant because to make this true prophecy, the church would have announced it as prophecy. There is a system and order in which the church operates so that members will know when a prophet is speaking in such a capacity.

Joseph Fielding Smith described this very well in an 1918 session of General Conference

"I want to say to you, my brethren and sisters, if you will read the scriptures and become familiar with those things which are recorded in the revelations from the Lord, it will not be necessary for you to ask any questions in regard to the authenticity or otherwise of any purported revelation, vision, or manifestation that proceeds out of darkness, concocted in some corner, surrep***iously presented, and not coming through the proper channels of the Church
..when a revelation comes for the guidance of this people, you may be sure that it will not be presented in some mysterious manner contrary to the order of the Church. It will go forth in such form that the people will understand that it comes from those who are in authority, for it will be sent either to the presidents of stakes and the bishops of the wards over the signatures of the presiding authorities, Or it will be published in some of the regular papers or magazines under the control and direction of the Church or it will be presented before such a gathering as this, at a general conference. It will not spring up in some distant part of the Church and be in the hands of some obscure individual without authority, and thus be circulated among the Latter-day Saints..."

There are no secret prophecies. There is an order in which things are done. For someone to be taking this as official prophecy, is doing so in error. It has been repudiated by church authorities, and has not once been made official, or even verified.

So again, IF Beck is involved in some "secret conspiracy" to fulfill a non-existent prophecy, that's on him, but still has absolutely NOTHING to do with the church.

In the end, at the very most, this is a guy who voices his opinions as his daily occupation, and is voicing his opinion about his belief about what he thinks a church leader once said.

[Apologette]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mitt-romney-called-top-vp-pick-in-2016/article/2565369


It was in the news that something called the " the Deseret News" was receiving daily calls and letters pushing the idea of Mitt being on the Republican ticket..

also Another Utah newspaper, the Salt Lake Tribune, published an op-ed piece by a former writer to lay out reasons Mitt would be the right fit...

Beck suggestion that Cruz is the fulfillment of Mormon Prophecy is a clear reference to the idea that Cruz will pick a Mormon to be on his ticket and thus the Mormons will have a means to say that their Prophecy came true and it supports their prophet and their religion....


Thus this is the real reason that Beck has made his push over the last few weeks with the full support of his church and the members of his church that listen to him and are looking forward to what Beck is looking forward to.....Mitt named VP.....or Mitt leads the ticket!


there are two ways to do this from the mormon point of view.
Get a brokered convention and push Mitt as the one guy who will unit the Party...

or...

Get Cruz to win the top spot and have Cruz owe Mitt a shot at being the VP on the ticket.
Both things would work to support the Mormon claim about fulfilling the Mormon Prophey...


That is the reason behind all this junk in the news....
Follow the money.............straight to Salt Lake City!

[Apologette]

Then let's see them! Show us where they are!

I gave you the link - but to tell you the truth, I really don't post for Mormons, but for people looking in for information. Mormons hid truth and lie for their "Lord."

[Apologette]

Cl***ic anti-Mormon projection.


I don't have any tent cities. You?

Gee you sound like Oceancoast - are you?

[alanmolstad]

Gee you sound like Oceancoast - are you?Is that someone you know from another site?

[Erundur]

I gave you the link
You gave a link to a book! Which page shows the locations of our tent cities?


Mormons hid truth and lie for their "Lord."
That is a lie!

[Apologette]

You gave a link to a book! Which page shows the locations of our tent cities?


That is a lie!
Go to Idaho and find some. You're on ignore pal.

[Erundur]

Gee you sound like Oceancoast - are you?
Obviously great minds think alike!

[alanmolstad]

You gave a link to a book! Which page shows the locations of our tent cities?


That is a lie!
E
Play nice or.......

[Erundur]

Go to Idaho and find some. You're on ignore pal.
I accept your concession!

[Apologette]

Mormons lie! They know exactly what tent cities are. If I, a non-Mormon, know about this wacky stream of Mormonism, I guarantee you these food hoarders know as well.

[MickeyS]

E
Play nice or.......

Apologette "Mormons LIE"

MickeyS, erundur = Mormons

Mormons LIE = a personal attack against MickeyS, erundur.

I know you obviously don't understand how it works, but I thought maybe if I did the math for you...

[alanmolstad]

i dont give a rip if someone says that a religion has a history of telling lies, or was founded by a guy who did tell lies...

But I never want to see someone post that a member of this forum by name tells lies...as that a personal comment and we dont need to go there...

So saying that 'republicans" tell lies is not as personal as saying that a forum guest by name who also happens to be republican,tells lies...
One is very general in nature...the other is specific to one single individual...who is a member of this forum and thus will not be personally attacked..

so it is very correct in posting the the Mormon church tells lies,as it clearly has over the years as did its founder Smith who was a conman...
But you should not attack a Mormon guest by name and say they are telling lies....for that is a personal attack...

[alanmolstad]

as for tent cities?

never heard of the idea...google gave me this Mormon stuff about it...clearly its on the minds of a lot of mormons...
http://www.abysmal.com/LDS/Preparedness/why_tent_cities.pdf


From the conclusion it reads that Mormons are getting ready to pound tent stakes?

the Millerite movement did this stuff....

[alanmolstad]

as for the big debate going on inside Mormonism on the issue of tent cities?..
I dont know anything about such things..

http://forum.newordermormon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=30705

But I have seen that the issue seems very important to some Mormons..
Theyt talk about a "call out' that im not sure about yet?...but i will see where this research goes....

[MickeyS]

i dont give a rip if someone says that a religion has a history of telling lies, or was founded by a guy who did tell lies...

But I never want to see someone post that a member of this forum by name tells lies...as that a personal comment and we dont need to go there...

So saying that 'republicans" tell lies is not as personal as saying that a forum guest by name who also happens to be republican,tells lies...
One is very general in nature...the other is specific to one single individual...who is a member of this forum and thus will not be personally attacked..

so it is very correct in posting the the Mormon church tells lies,as it clearly has over the years as did its founder Smith who was a conman...
But you should not attack a Mormon guest by name and say they are telling lies....for that is a personal attack...


Apologette - Go build a tent city

Erundur - I don't know what that is

Apologette - Mormons lie!! They know exactly what tent cities are

Still not specific enough?? I guess you obviously still don't understand, I tried to make it as simple as possible.

But if you really think that's okay, from what you just explained, I never once heard erundur mention Apologette by name, so what's the problem?

[alanmolstad]

Apologette - Go build a tent city

Erundur - I don't know what that is

Apologette - Mormons lie!! They know exactly what tent cities are

Still not specific enough?? I guess you obviously still don't understand, I tried to make it as simple as possible.

But if you really think that's okay, from what you just explained, I never once heard erundur mention Apologette by name, so what's the problem?move on ok.....

I looked up the big Mormon idea about being "called out" by their leadership one day to make a tent city...and I think its just another in a whole stinking pile of junk that Mormons believe...
They got whole forums talking about it right now...

I never heard of the silly idea...
I do only have one worry that people that spend a lot of time and invest a lot of their religion into the idea that they need to "do something" to be ready for the end of the world....sometimes find that the end of the world is taking too long to get here,and so they try to "do something" to speed things up....

Other than that, it seems that clearly to me now that this is a topic known to Mormons...and really totally unknown to Christians...

Lets leave it there and move on....

[Erundur]

Mormons lie!
Actually, anti-Mormons lie!


They know exactly what tent cities are.
Well, duh! Did someone claim that Mormons don't know what tent cities are?

[MichaellS]

Who, Ted Cruz?

No, Beck. And 100% is never heard of anymore nor the importance of it.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/19/nostra-beck-us-glenn-beck-lists-his-predictions-that-have-come-true/

[alanmolstad]

[QUOTE=Erundur;167192]Actually, anti-Mormons lie!


someone needs to review the rules.....

[Erundur]

No, Beck.
Oh. Then probably not.

[Erundur]

No, Beck.
Oh. Then probably not.

[Erundur]

someone needs to review the rules.....
No one likes a board nanny, Alan.

[MickeyS]

[QUOTE=Erundur;167192]Actually, anti-Mormons lie!


someone needs to review the rules.....

What rules would those be??

[alanmolstad]

[QUOTE=alanmolstad;167195]

What rules would those be??


Im glad you asked that...

It seems that a lot of newer guests or just some who have not been taken aside and shown a few things do tend to not know what goes and does notgo around these parts...

One moment, I will get the link...

[alanmolstad]

http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?793-Derogatory-Terms

[alanmolstad]

No one likes a board nanny, Alan.

the only reason this forum is up and running is that its not much of a problem to deal with for the owner...
Trust me...if we allow this forum to return to the way things were around here a while ago then this place will close for sure..

Thus the only way we can all keep this forum open is to always keep an eye out for even the slightest problems with a guest's posts, and remind them what the rules are here...

What normally happens is that people change how they post, and no one needs to think someone needs to be reported and everyone has the same ability to post without being personally attacked.

The rules are stated in a few places on this forum so that we all can make sure that our posts remain within the decisions of the owner as to what goes and what does not go around here.

If a guest thinks they cant behave within the agreed-to rules?....well....they can be invited to find the door.


So...once again....when we refer to the rules,we find that the term "anti-Mormon" is not a term that will go around these parts....its not allowed...
Nor is the term "LDS Christian".........

its good to remember such stuff as we all tend to forget some things and we all might need to remember from time to time...

There is also a darker issue that we have to deal with with some guests...
By this I mean that they dont actually want this forum to remain open...they want it to close.

They show up here and they will provoke people to anger....to answer back, spit for spit,,,cuss word for cuss word...and skirt around the rules in an effort to force confrontation over the rules....to provoke banning...to provoke clearing away of topics.

They want this forum to be a burden to watch over,so much so that it might become more easy to shut it down rather than keep needing to interfere with it and clean it up all the time.

to such people I have this to say...

"Im watching...."

[MickeyS]

http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?793-Derogatory-Terms

Oh I remember these

"The definition of a derogatory term is one that insults, belittles or treats a group or individual with contempt

Regarding describing historical figures

"However, this should be done in a scholarly way--no mocking, contempt,
etc. If you cannot do this, than do not post."

"Do not post in a thread to mock someone elsethis is called "baiting," which is against the rules"

Awesome, thanks for reminding me

So, I guess some people need to adjust their posting habits for sure

Guess I'll drop the "anti-Mormon" although I don't understand why you would find that deragatory, I thought you all were pretty proud of it.

I find being called a cultist deragatory, because I am a member of a religion

Religion (n) the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God.

I belong to a religion. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am Christian, and i will NEVER say that I'm not. As far as all that other stuff. Sure, I'll follow the rules. But I'm watching too.