When Mormons Worship Hindu gods

[Apologette]

Several years ago the Hindu Hare Krishna sect built a temple called the Sri Sri Rhada Krishna temple in Sandy Fork, Utah. Interestingly, the Mormons (about 4,000 volunteers apparently) helped the Hindus build the temple and the Mormon cult contributed a considerable amount of money to its building. Knowing that both the Hindus and Mormons are poltheists (believe in many gods), helps one comprehend this bizarre ***ociation of Mormons and Hindus.

But, apparently the ***ociation didn't end there. As this video shot at the temple demonstrates, Mormons in Utah particpate in Hindu celebrations, and bring their kids along:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZq...53eSkS3ovVT2yP


The Salt Lake Tribune, speaking of this particular Hindu celebration (although it may not be the same one on the video) stated:

"The young Mormons happily chanted "Hare Rama, Hare Krishna," the god the festival celebrates, but the Hindu student says she would be "surprised if those youngsters really knew what the festival was all about."

These kinds of borrowings don't trouble Indra Neelameggham, a Hindu who worships at the Sri Ganesha Temple in South Jordan.

"This festival has no religious significance. There are no prayers or no special services connected with it," she says. "It has evolved in India — particularly in the south — over the years and now is mostly about tourism and marketing — like Christmas or Halloween."

Das does sense spirituality in it, but of a more universal nature.

"We consider that when you chant the name of God, God is personally present," he says. "Even a person who comes for the first time with a less-than-serious at***ude is likely to feel something they just don't feel in other areas." (source: http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?...s-sri.html.csp)


Well folks, if you want to attract demons, and Hindu gods are demons, just start chanting to them, and teach your children to do likewise. How incredibly astray does some Mormon have to be to allow their children to come under such demonic influence. Reminds me of Moloch worship.

[BigJulie]

Several years ago the Hindu Hare Krishna sect built a temple called the Sri Sri Rhada Krishna temple in Sandy Fork, Utah. Interestingly, the Mormons (about 4,000 volunteers apparently) helped the Hindus build the temple and the Mormon cult contributed a considerable amount of money to its building. Knowing that both the Hindus and Mormons are poltheists (believe in many gods), helps one comprehend this bizarre ***ociation of Mormons and Hindus.

But, apparently the ***ociation didn't end there. As this video shot at the temple demonstrates, Mormons in Utah particpate in Hindu celebrations, and bring their kids along:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZq...53eSkS3ovVT2yP


The Salt Lake Tribune, speaking of this particular Hindu celebration (although it may not be the same one on the video) stated:

"The young Mormons happily chanted "Hare Rama, Hare Krishna," the god the festival celebrates, but the Hindu student says she would be "surprised if those youngsters really knew what the festival was all about."

These kinds of borrowings don't trouble Indra Neelameggham, a Hindu who worships at the Sri Ganesha Temple in South Jordan.

"This festival has no religious significance. There are no prayers or no special services connected with it," she says. "It has evolved in India — particularly in the south — over the years and now is mostly about tourism and marketing — like Christmas or Halloween."

Das does sense spirituality in it, but of a more universal nature.

"We consider that when you chant the name of God, God is personally present," he says. "Even a person who comes for the first time with a less-than-serious at***ude is likely to feel something they just don't feel in other areas." (source: http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?...s-sri.html.csp)


Well folks, if you want to attract demons, and Hindu gods are demons, just start chanting to them, and teach your children to do likewise. How incredibly astray does some Mormon have to be to allow their children to come under such demonic influence. Reminds me of Moloch worship.

In the LDS church, the 13th Article of Faith reads: We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

I am beginning to realize what a blessing it is to seek after the good in others. So sad when people spend their time trying to find any speck of dirt they kind find with others.

[Apologette]

In the LDS church, the 13th Article of Faith reads: We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

I am beginning to realize what a blessing it is to seek after the good in others. So sad when people spend their time trying to find any speck of dirt they kind find with others.

Seeking the good in others is worshipping false gods? I can't believe you said that? What was the punishment in Israel for idolatry?

[BigJulie]

Seeking the good in others is worshipping false gods? I can't believe you said that? What was the punishment in Israel for idolatry?

Are you asking question or making a statement? Are you stating that seeking the good in others is worshiping a false god?

Luk 10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

Jhn 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of ****ation.

[Apologette]

Are you asking question or making a statement? Are you stating that seeking the good in others is worshiping a false god?

Luk 10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

Jhn 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of ****ation.

Participating in a celebration of pagan gods is like going to a high place and worshiping Baal. If that's what you want to do, and teach your children to do, then you are participating in paganism, and trying to justify it by looooooooooooooooooooooooooove. There are consequences for worshiping Baal subs***utes, you'll see.

[BigJulie]

Participating in a celebration of pagan gods is like going to a high place and worshiping Baal. If that's what you want to do, and teach your children to do, then you are participating in paganism, and trying to justify it by looooooooooooooooooooooooooove. There are consequences for worshiping Baal subs***utes, you'll see.

Having a Christmas tree is a pagan tradition. Half of what we do is based on pagan tradition. These traditions do not mean we worship pagan gods. My Christmas tree does not mean I do not recognize Christ as the center or Christmas.

My point was--if someone wants their children to understand and see another culture, this is not paganism. This is education. It does not harm us to help others. The Taliban and other groups think that their way of "saving" themselves is to kill off anyone who does not think like them. Learning about others and being accepting does not mean rejecting your own beliefs.

[Apologette]

Having a Christmas tree is a pagan tradition. Half of what we do is based on pagan tradition. These traditions do not mean we worship pagan gods. My Christmas tree does not mean I do not recognize Christ as the center or Christmas.

My point was--if someone wants their children to understand and see another culture, this is not paganism. This is education. It does not harm us to help others. The Taliban and other groups think that their way of "saving" themselves is to kill off anyone who does not think like them. Learning about others and being accepting does not mean rejecting your own beliefs.

Christians don't chant to a Christmas tree, which is not a pagan god. Look, there's no excuse for the blatant disobedience to God's warning not to worship false idols........I cannot believe that anybody who has read any of the Bible would try to defend Krishna worship. I can only believe that somehow in your own mind you are able to reconcile idol worshp and Mormonism - and I'm not shocked. Mormonism is a form of idolatry.

Shame!

[BigJulie]

Christians don't chant to a Christmas tree, which is not a pagan god. Look, there's no excuse for the blatant disobedience to God's warning not to worship false idols........I cannot believe that anybody who has read any of the Bible would try to defend Krishna worship. I can only believe that somehow in your own mind you are able to reconcile idol worshp and Mormonism - and I'm not shocked. Mormonism is a form of idolatry.

Shame!

I am not defending chanting to a false god, I am defending teaching our children about the culture and religious beliefs of others.

Your accusation is the equivalent of watching someone sing "O Tannenbaum" and then accusing them of worshiping their Christmas tree. You're really stretching here to find the mote in another's eye.

[Apologette]

I am not defending chanting to a false god, I am defending teaching our children about the culture and religious beliefs of others.

Your accusation is the equivalent of watching someone sing "O Tannenbaum" and then accusing them of worshiping their Christmas tree. You're really stretching here to find the mote in another's eye.

How obtuse! The children were chanting to false gods along with their parents. Is that how you "teach" them. Is there nothing whatsoever that the cult does that you will not tolerate? I taught my children to recognize false teachers, teachings, and cults - I have no speck in my eye in that regard my dear!

[BigJulie]

How obtuse! The children were chanting to false gods along with their parents. Is that how you "teach" them. Is there nothing whatsoever that the cult does that you will not tolerate? I taught my children to recognize false teachers, teachings, and cults - I have no speck in my eye in that regard my dear!

Did you also teach them that drinking too much alcohol can change the way your face looks? Or that typing in all bold comes across as screaming ;)

[Yodas_Prodigy]

In the LDS church, the 13th Article of Faith reads: We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

I am beginning to realize what a blessing it is to seek after the good in others. So sad when people spend their time trying to find any speck of dirt they kind find with others.

I don't think Apologette is trying to speak horribly about people. I think the poster is trying to show a serious weakness in the LDS religion. In the Bible, we are taught to worship one God and not to give place to any other god.

"You shall have no other gods before me."

To help the Hindus out in building their worship center is to give credence to their religion and their gods. There are better ways to be neighborly.

[BigJulie]

I don't think Apologette is trying to speak horribly about people. I think the poster is trying to show a serious weakness in the LDS religion. In the Bible, we are taught to worship one God and not to give place to any other god.

"You shall have no other gods before me."

To help the Hindus out in building their worship center is to give credence to their religion and their gods. There are better ways to be neighborly.

We believe this as well. Helping another is not to show "credence to their religion" just as Christ talking to the Samaritan women at the well did not make her a Jew.

[Apologette]

Did you also teach them that drinking too much alcohol can change the way your face looks? Or that typing in all bold comes across as screaming ;)

My children have no problems with alcohol - unlike many Mormons who I know who are addicted because they had no cultural understanding of the use of alcohol. What ethnic group has the least problem with alcohol? It's Jews. They learn to use it properly within their culture. When a Mormon starts using it, he has no cultural boundaries, and many become terrible drunks. The worst drunk I encountered working was a Mormon.

However, we don't teach our children to worship false gods unless we want them to be guilty of flagrantly sinning against God.....but, since Mormons don't believe in the Biblical God anyway, I can see why it is so easy for them to lapse into idol worship and teach their children to do likewise.

[BigJulie]

My children have no problems with alcohol - unlike many Mormons who I know who are addicted because they had no cultural understanding of the use of alcohol. What ethnic group has the least problem with alcohol? It's Jews. They learn to use it properly within their culture. When a Mormon starts using it, he has no cultural boundaries, and many become terrible drunks. The worst drunk I encountered working was a Mormon.

However, we don't teach our children to worship false gods unless we want them to be guilty of flagrantly sinning against God.....but, since Mormons don't believe in the Biblical God anyway, I can see why it is so easy for them to lapse into idol worship and teach their children to do likewise.

I wasn't talking about your children. My comment was more to the description of those who drink heavily--their faces turn red and their noses grow--much like President Clinton, Tip O'Neil and Winston Churchill. I said nothing about alcoholism.

I believe in God as described in the Bible. Quit telling me what I do or not believe. You are so wrong in so many areas and have been doing this for so long and have been corrected on it so many times, you must know you are bearing false witness against another.

[Yodas_Prodigy]

We believe this as well. Helping another is not to show "credence to their religion" just as Christ talking to the Samaritan women at the well did not make her a Jew.

The LDS in this story were helping Hindus make a place of worship, Correct?

The Samaritan woman example is an apples and oranges attempt. Jesus led the Samaritan woman to a right relationship with YHWH... He converted her... He did not leave her in he lostness...

[Phoenix]

I don't think Apologette is trying to speak horribly about people.

you may be right. some people can do it without even trying

[Phoenix]

The LDS in this story were helping Hindus make a place of worship, Correct?
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and they have helped baptists repair their place of worship, too. was that a sin? do the Mormons need to repent of Having too much charity?

the bible says that charity is greater than both faith and hope. imagine how awesome this world would be, if everyone had a lot more of it.

[Yodas_Prodigy]

and they have helped baptists repair their place of worship, too. was that a sin? do the Mormons need to repent of Having too much charity?


I think if I were a strict biblical religious person, yes, even helping the Baptists would be wrong.

Charity is fine when it comes to feeding, clothing, protecting, and medicating those in need. It is not fine when it comes to helping someone worship false gods.

[MickeyS]

My children have no problems with alcohol - unlike many Mormons who I know who are addicted because they had no cultural understanding of the use of alcohol. What ethnic group has the least problem with alcohol? It's Jews. They learn to use it properly within their culture. When a Mormon starts using it, he has no cultural boundaries, and many become terrible drunks. The worst drunk I encountered working was a Mormon.

I'm sorry, did you just say abstinence only is a poor way to teach your children against harmful behavior and substances??

Did you teach your children to practice sexual abstinence before getting married, or did you sit them down and tell them all their options like Planned Parenthood does so they can have a "cultural understanding" of sex in our society?

If you taught your children abstinence only....did they turn out to be sexual degenerates when they were adults because they had no understanding of sex in their formative years?

Really?? Wow...that's solid logic there...

But hey, as long as you knew a drunk who happened to be Mormon....you're the expert...

[MickeyS]

I think if I were a strict biblical religious person, yes, even helping the Baptists would be wrong.

Charity is fine when it comes to feeding, clothing, protecting, and medicating those in need. It is not fine when it comes to helping someone worship false gods.

No offense to you at all, but I find it frustrating that Mormons are painted as being highly intolerant of the beliefs of others...and now we're too tolerant.

It truly seems this is a perfect example of how no matter what we do, someone will use it to "prove" we are unGodly.

Interesting.

[Yodas_Prodigy]

No offense to you at all, but I find it frustrating that Mormons are painted as being highly intolerant of the beliefs of others...and now we're too tolerant.

It truly seems this is a perfect example of how no matter what we do, someone will use it to "prove" we are unGodly.

Interesting.

I have never thought of LDS as being intolerant. I find you guys to be too tolerant. In the LDS pattern, everyone goes to Heaven but a few bad apples.

[BigJulie]

The LDS in this story were helping Hindus make a place of worship, Correct?

The Samaritan woman example is an apples and oranges attempt. Jesus led the Samaritan woman to a right relationship with YHWH... He converted her... He did not leave her in he lostness...

The comparison is that the Jews would not go through Samaria as it was considered dangerous and filthy territory to the Jew. Unlike how evangelicals approach conversion on this site--the starting place for most people is to understand the other's beliefs. Christ, because of who He is, understood the Samaritan woman upon meeting her. Most of us need to take some time to do this. (And he knew her by the spirit---not by what he heard about Samaritans from the Jews.)

[BigJulie]

I have never thought of LDS as being intolerant. I find you guys to be too tolerant. In the LDS pattern, everyone goes to Heaven but a few bad apples.

Well, you seem to think you understand the scriptures very well. So, I am curious of your understanding of these verses:

1Peter 3
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

[MickeyS]

I have never thought of LDS as being intolerant. I find you guys to be too tolerant. In the LDS pattern, everyone goes to Heaven but a few bad apples.

Yes, I believe in a loving Father who doesn't punish His children for ALL of eternity.....those who deserve it, will suffer the pains of hell to fit their sins (as He is a just God and those who deserve it will be punished to fit their crimes, make no mistake, they WILL suffer...they will suffer as Christ suffered for the sins they committed) but ultimately, after those individuals "do their time", they inherit a place. Those who REALLY deserve it will be cast out for eternity....but yeah, it would have to be pretty bad. I understand you don't believe that, but I have a very difficult time believing in a just God who would have such a narrow view of justice, that individuals who did not understand, have opportunity or made mistakes would be cast out into an eternal fiery hell. The same people who perhaps didn't believe in Jesus Christ but were decent people are cast into the same depths as Hitler.

Plus, from what you seem to believe about salvation....most people are just destined to hell anyway and it doesn't matter. Eternal Hell....forever. Why would God create some people, have them live their lives and then cast them into hell simply because they weren't "chosen"? Again, I'm not entirely positive that's what you believe, but it seems that way from what you've said. So please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Phoenix]

I think if I were a strict biblical religious person, yes, even helping the Baptists would be wrong.
The tricky part about drawing such lines is that it's easy to become like the Pharisees.


Charity is fine when it comes to feeding, clothing, protecting, and medicating those in need. It is not fine when it comes to helping someone worship false gods.
But you could argue that by giving food and clothing to people with beliefs you don't like, you have enabled them to rebuild their church building that you don't like, since that is x hundred dollars that they now don't need to spend on food and clothes. You have freed up their money that they can now use on rebuilding. The end result will be the same, and if hindering their efforts to rebuild their chapel was your goal, you have failed.

[Yodas_Prodigy]

The tricky part about drawing such lines is that it's easy to become like the Pharisees.


But you could argue that by giving food and clothing to people with beliefs you don't like, you have enabled them to rebuild their church building that you don't like, since that is x hundred dollars that they now don't need to spend on food and clothes. You have freed up their money that they can now use on rebuilding. The end result will be the same, and if hindering their efforts to rebuild their chapel was your goal, you have failed.

This whole line of reasoning is absurd. TYFYT's

[Apologette]

To teach one's children to chant to pagan gods is about as low as it gets according to the Bible. Can we all imagine YHWH's reaction to Jews teachiing their kids in ancient Israel to chant to Moloch? How can Mormons rationalize such evil?


And can we all imagine this: Paul calls together some Christians and their children in Ephesus and says, "hey, guys, let's go down the cobbled road here and help the pagans build a new temple to Zeus. It will show our good will and train our kids to be politically correct and accepting of all forms of worship."

[Apologette]

To teach one's children to chant to pagan gods is about as low as it gets according to the Bible. Can we all imagine YHWH's reaction to Jews teachiing their kids in ancient Israel to chant to Moloch? How can Mormons rationalize such evil?


And can we all imagine this: Paul calls together some Christians and their children in Ephesus and says, "hey, guys, let's go down the cobbled road here and help the pagans build a new temple to Zeus. It will show our good will and train our kids to be politically correct and accepting of all forms of worship."

[Apologette]

Is there any thing worse than teaching one's children to worship pagan gods?

[Apologette]

you may be right. some people can do it without even trying

Hey, Jeff, what's the matter - suspended again. Gee you don't get much posting time on CARM with your snotty comments, do you?

[BigJulie]

Well, you seem to think you understand the scriptures very well. So, I am curious of your understanding of these verses:

1Peter 3
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Bump---still waiting for the reply.

[Apologette]

I wasn't talking about your children. My comment was more to the description of those who drink heavily--their faces turn red and their noses grow--much like President Clinton, Tip O'Neil and Winston Churchill. I said nothing about alcoholism.

I believe in God as described in the Bible. Quit telling me what I do or not believe. You are so wrong in so many areas and have been doing this for so long and have been corrected on it so many times, you must know you are bearing false witness against another.

Then why did you ask me if I taught MY children?

[Yodas_Prodigy]

I have a ***,,, and a real life :)

[Yodas_Prodigy]

Start a thread and I will answer...

[Yodas_Prodigy]

Yes, I believe in a loving Father who doesn't punish His children for ALL of eternity.....those who deserve it, will suffer the pains of hell to fit their sins (as He is a just God and those who deserve it will be punished to fit their crimes, make no mistake, they WILL suffer...they will suffer as Christ suffered for the sins they committed) but ultimately, after those individuals "do their time", they inherit a place. Those who REALLY deserve it will be cast out for eternity....but yeah, it would have to be pretty bad. I understand you don't believe that, but I have a very difficult time believing in a just God who would have such a narrow view of justice, that individuals who did not understand, have opportunity or made mistakes would be cast out into an eternal fiery hell. The same people who perhaps didn't believe in Jesus Christ but were decent people are cast into the same depths as Hitler.


People want ignore the clear teaching of the Bible. It is self-deception...

John 3:18New King James Version (NKJV)

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Matthew 25:45-46New King James Version (NKJV)

45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘***uredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

[Yodas_Prodigy]

The comparison is that the Jews would not go through Samaria as it was considered dangerous and filthy territory to the Jew. Unlike how evangelicals approach conversion on this site--the starting place for most people is to understand the other's beliefs. Christ, because of who He is, understood the Samaritan woman upon meeting her. Most of us need to take some time to do this. (And he knew her by the spirit---not by what he heard about Samaritans from the Jews.)

It is a poor comparison. Jesus did not go to the place of worship for the Samaritan Woman. He spoke of the Kingdom, confronted her of her sin, and she became a Christ follower.

As for the evangelicals who come to this forum, they are already well-versed in what you believe. The rub comes when they confront your prophets, apostles, contradictory holy writings, DNA, historical issues, and lack of archeological evidence. It is not a good feeling when you know the LDS religion has serious concerns and you have no good defense. It is far easier to attack the motives of them posters.

[MickeyS]

People want ignore the clear teaching of the Bible. It is self-deception...

John 3:18New King James Version (NKJV)

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Matthew 25:45-46New King James Version (NKJV)

45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘***uredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Yes, and being separated from the presence of God for eternity is still a punishment...I am not ignoring the Bible.

[Phoenix]

People want ignore the clear teaching of the Bible. It is self-deception...


That is an absurd line of thinking, but thanks for sharing.

[Phoenix]

Is there any thing worse than teaching one's children to worship pagan gods?

teaching them all kinds of crazy junk about Mormons, causing them to hate Mormons, would seem to qualify as worse.

[BigJulie]

It is a poor comparison. Jesus did not go to the place of worship for the Samaritan Woman. He spoke of the Kingdom, confronted her of her sin, and she became a Christ follower.

As for the evangelicals who come to this forum, they are already well-versed in what you believe. The rub comes when they confront your prophets, apostles, contradictory holy writings, DNA, historical issues, and lack of archeological evidence. It is not a good feeling when you know the LDS religion has serious concerns and you have no good defense. It is far easier to attack the motives of them posters.

Actually, I prefer to speak about what we are taught by revelation and what we learn by scriptures. I see no need to bring any dirt in about any particular member or members. This thread was started as an ad hominen argument against a few. I also don't see a need to worry about "history" per se or science--as christianity has suffered like attacks from many historian and/or scientists. So, that leaves the scriptures and personal revelation. I have great defenses. And as I talk to you, I can see you believe as I do about those who are chosen and use very similar terms and yet do not call it "earning" salvation. Once again--the biggest concern for me about evangelicalism is the hypocritical-ness that they seem to be oblivious to, but I bet you feel you have good defenses against those who do not read the scriptures as you do or against scientist who see you as "uneducated." Yet, you then turn-around and do the same.

[Apologette]

After discussing idol worship with these Mormons who justify it, I'm convinced they are of the same strain of demonic belief held by those who used to sacrifice their children to the evil god Moloch. They will justify anything in order to honor their real god, Joseph Smithl.

[Yodas_Prodigy]

That is an absurd line of thinking, but thanks for sharing.

Bwah hahaha...

[Apologette]

teaching them all kinds of crazy junk about Mormons, causing them to hate Mormons, would seem to qualify as worse.

I don't teach children to hate Mormons - however, and let me stress this - I tell them they should never date Mormons or go to their events. That's the way kids get sucked into Mormonism, and I've had a great deal of complaints by Christians regarding their children who began to date Mormons. The Lord wasn't kidding when he said not to be unequally yoked. Every time I teach, I do warn the Christians against allowing their children to date Mormons or attend their events - and that is wise counsel.

[Apologette]

teaching them all kinds of crazy junk about Mormons, causing them to hate Mormons, would seem to qualify as worse.

I don't teach children to hate Mormons - however, and let me stress this - I tell them they should never date Mormons or go to their events. That's the way kids get sucked into Mormonism, and I've had a great deal of complaints by Christians regarding their children who began to date Mormons. The Lord wasn't kidding when he said not to be unequally yoked. Every time I teach, I do warn the Christians against allowing their children to date Mormons or attend their events - and that is wise counsel.

[Apologette]

Big Julie: "Actually, I prefer to speak about what we are taught by revelation and what we learn by scriptures. I see no need to bring any dirt in about any particular member or members. This thread was started as an ad hominen argument against a few. I also don't see a need to worry about "history" per se or science--as christianity has suffered like attacks from many historian and/or scientists. So, that leaves the scriptures and personal revelation. I have great defenses. And as I talk to you, I can see you believe as I do about those who are chosen and use very similar terms and yet do not call it "earning" salvation. Once again--the biggest concern for me about evangelicalism is the hypocritical-ness that they seem to be oblivious to, but I bet you feel you have good defenses against those who do not read the scriptures as you do or against scientist who see you as "uneducated." Yet, you then turn-around and do the same."

Would you care to discuss Smith's revelation on polygamy and why it is necessary to exaltation; and then please give us the revelation countering that revelation. Or would you rather like to discuss Brigham Young's revelation that Adam is the only god with whom you will have to do? And then give us t he revelation refuting that. You see, Julie, your "revelations" aren't revelations at all, but simply opinions of fallible Mormon leaders.

[BigJulie]

Big Julie: "Actually, I prefer to speak about what we are taught by revelation and what we learn by scriptures. I see no need to bring any dirt in about any particular member or members. This thread was started as an ad hominen argument against a few. I also don't see a need to worry about "history" per se or science--as christianity has suffered like attacks from many historian and/or scientists. So, that leaves the scriptures and personal revelation. I have great defenses. And as I talk to you, I can see you believe as I do about those who are chosen and use very similar terms and yet do not call it "earning" salvation. Once again--the biggest concern for me about evangelicalism is the hypocritical-ness that they seem to be oblivious to, but I bet you feel you have good defenses against those who do not read the scriptures as you do or against scientist who see you as "uneducated." Yet, you then turn-around and do the same."

Would you care to discuss Smith's revelation on polygamy and why it is necessary to exaltation; and then please give us the revelation countering that revelation. Or would you rather like to discuss Brigham Young's revelation that Adam is the only god with whom you will have to do? And then give us t he revelation refuting that. You see, Julie, your "revelations" aren't revelations at all, but simply opinions of fallible Mormon leaders.

Apologette, it would be really nice to feel I could have a heart-to-heart discussion with you about my beliefs. (Btw, thank you for not typing in bold.) The problem is, I feel like first I would need to feel like you would be willing to give up the sensational things you believe about my beliefs and would be willing to listen to what I actually say. You come across as so hateful and vengeful in most of your posts and extremely prejudice against me or those who believe like me already. If you are actually willing to listen and stop making accusations, let em know--we can talk.

[Apologette]

Julie you need to have a brain to brain discussion with someone. Protecting Mormonism to the point where you condone pagan idolatry is seriously evil.

[MickeyS]

Hey, Jeff, what's the matter - suspended again. Gee you don't get much posting time on CARM with your snotty comments, do you?

Look Catherine, I'll say it again, the person with the username Phoenix, is always around this forum consistently and active. These comments are ridiculously immature.

[BigJulie]

Julie you need to have a brain to brain discussion with someone. Protecting Mormonism to the point where you condone pagan idolatry is seriously evil.

Case in point why I don't feel I can have a discussion with you.