why do mormons claim to be CHRISTIANS now?

[Christian]

They didn't used to. Their religion doesn't resemble the original church (the one Jesus built) very much.

The original church didn't
have temples
have 'tokens'
have 'sealings'
have a savior related to satan as a half-brother
have an 'aaronic priesthood.'
have ANY Melchizedek priests OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF
baptize anyone who had died
encourage folks to work towards 'exaltation' to becoming a god themselves
etc
etc
etc

So why do mormons CLAIM to be the same as the church Jesus Christ built?

[Erundur]

They didn't used to.
This is false. We have always claimed to be Christians.

[Christian]

why do mormons claim to be CHRISTIANS now?
They didn't used to. Their religion doesn't resemble the original church (the one Jesus built) very much.

The original church didn't
have temples
have 'tokens'
have 'sealings'
have a savior related to satan as a half-brother
have an 'aaronic priesthood.'
have ANY Melchizedek priests OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF
baptize anyone who had died
encourage folks to work towards 'exaltation' to becoming a god themselves
etc
etc
etc

So why do mormons CLAIM to be the same as the church Jesus Christ built?

This is false. We have always claimed to be Christians.

Not in Idaho they didn't Not in the 1970's they didn't. Coworkers didn't. Neighbors didn't. Bishop friend didn't.

AND THE REST OF THE TRUTHS?​ Can't answer for them?

[Erundur]

Not in Idaho they didn't Not in the 1970's they didn't. Coworkers didn't. Neighbors didn't. Bishop friend didn't.
Yeah, they did. And if there was some crackpot somewhere who didn't, then he didn't know what he was talking about.

[Christian]

Yeah, they did. And if there was some crackpot somewhere who didn't, then he didn't know what he was talking about.

So none of my coworkers, none of my friends, and my mormon bishop friend were all 'crackpots' who 'didn't know what he was talking about?

No, I suspect the 'odd-ball-out' is YOU.

Why should I believe YOU and not THEM? So far your ideas seem to be only wild declarations and name-calling your own and me (crackpots?).

'declarations' without EVIDENCE and name-calling are NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE to me. SHOW ME EVIDENCE! So far you cannot.

[Erundur]

'declarations' without EVIDENCE and name-calling are NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE to me. SHOW ME EVIDENCE! So far you cannot.
Tell you what. After you present evidence for your declarations, I'll present evidence for mine.

[Christian]

Tell you what. After you present evidence for your declarations, I'll present evidence for mine.

Let's see now. . .YOU claimed all my friends were 'crackpots' who didn't know what they were talking about.


Originally Posted by Erundur http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/images/****ons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?p=173647#post173647)
Yeah, they did. And if there was some crackpot somewhere who didn't, then he didn't know what he was talking about.


THEY included my friends, co-workers, neighbors, and my mormon bishop friend.

THAT makes YOU the 'odd man out,' the likely 'crackpot' you were talking about.

I'll believe them, since they had no reason to lie.

You. . .? Naah, I don't believe YOU.

[Christian]

They didn't used to. Their religion doesn't resemble the original church (the one Jesus built) very much.

The original church didn't
have temples
have 'tokens'
have 'sealings'
have a savior related to satan as a half-brother
have an 'aaronic priesthood.'
have ANY Melchizedek priests OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF
baptize anyone who had died
encourage folks to work towards 'exaltation' to becoming a god themselves
etc
etc
etc

So why do mormons CLAIM to be the same as the church Jesus Christ built?
CHRISTIANS don't accept the mormon CLAIM that they are 'Christian' at all. Not from the days that joey smith invented his ungodly religion.

[Erundur]

CHRISTIANS don't accept the mormon CLAIM that they are 'Christian' at all.
Of course we do.

[Christian]

Originally Posted by Christian View Post
CHRISTIANS don't accept the mormon CLAIM that they are 'Christian' at all.

Of course we do.

OF COURSE YOU, a mormon (NOT a Christian by any REAL standard) would say that. Remember, ONLY MORMONS think mormons are Christians. The REAL Christians do not. YOU CANNOT NAME ONE CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION THAT CONSIDERS MORMONISM TO BE "Christian."

THE TRUTH is that MORMONISM DOES NOT MATCH HISTORICAL CHRISTIANITY MUCH AT ALL. IT NEVER HAS. JOE SMITH'S INVENTIONS ARE TOO "DIFFERENT."

[Erundur]

(NOT a Christian by any REAL standard)
False. We're Christian by EVERY real standard.


Remember, ONLY MORMONS think mormons are Christians.
False.


YOU CANNOT NAME ONE CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION THAT CONSIDERS MORMONISM TO BE "Christian."
Of course I can. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints considers Mormonism to be Christian.

[alanmolstad]

Remember, ONLY MORMONS think mormons are Christians. The REAL Christians do not.man that is SO true!

[Christian]

False. We're Christian by EVERY real standard.


False.


Of course I can. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints considers Mormonism to be Christian.

My reference was to CHRISTIAN denominations, not heathen groups like mormons of any of the 150+ different variations.

[Erundur]

My reference was to CHRISTIAN denominations
And I gave you one.

[Christian]

Originally Posted by Christian
My reference was to CHRISTIAN denominations

And I gave you one.


​No, you gave me a heathen denomination equal to the white supremecists and the jw's and the mormon fundamentalists.

Your IQ seems to think that mormons accepting mormon tripe = proof that mormons are Christian.

No CHRISTIAN denomination (lds is NOT Christian) recognizes your religion as being part of US.

Your religion is a heathen religion, nothing more. Just like the rest of the 150+ pieces of joe smith's religion are. You are all remnants of the same stuff. There is no VALID reason to accept the utah group above any of the others. In all your posts, you have provided NO EVIDENCE that your group is above any of the others, btw.

[Erundur]

​No, you gave me a heathen denomination equal to the white supremecists and the jw's and the mormon fundamentalists.
False, I never mentioned your denomination.


Your IQ seems to think that mormons accepting mormon tripe = proof that mormons are Christian.
Your IQ seems to have no idea what my IQ thinks.


No CHRISTIAN denomination (lds is NOT Christian) recognizes your religion as being part of US.
False, as I showed above.


Your religion is a heathen religion, nothing more.
Your statement is objectively false.

[Christian]

Cults FREQUENTLY lie to make the false seem true. The only ones they convince are themselves.

Mormoniism (all 150+ versions of it) is no exception.

[dberrie2000]

Why do mormons claim to be CHRISTIANS now?

They didn't used to. Their religion doesn't resemble the original church (the one Jesus built) very much.

The original church didn't have temples

Acts 2:46---King James Version (KJV)
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Christian--could you give us some examples of what one finds in the Biblical NT--as far as salvational doctrines go--which is not found in the LDS church?

James 2:24---King James Version (KJV)
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

[alanmolstad]

Cults FREQUENTLY lie to make the false seem true. The only ones they convince are themselves.

Mormoniism (all 150+ versions of it) is no exception.

very true.....

[Christian]

False, I never mentioned your denomination.


Your IQ seems to have no idea what my IQ thinks.


False, as I showed above.


Your statement is objectively false.

Only according to ALL CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS.

Heathen cults OFTEN claim to be 'Christian.' The mormons are no different (all 150+ of your cult groups, including the utah group.

[Erundur]

Only according to ALL CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS.
Right, according to all Christian denominations, your statement that the Church of Jesus Christ is a heathen religion is objectively false.


Heathen cults OFTEN claim to be 'Christian.'
Like yours, for example.

[Christian]

erunder posted:


Right, according to all Christian denominations, your statement that the Church of Jesus Christ is a heathen religion is objectively false.

Then you should be able to PROVE my statement is false. Until now, ALL YOU HAVE IS EMPTY CLAIMS. YOU CANNOT PRODUCE ONE SINGLE CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION that endorses your cult as 'Christian' at all. So much for YOUR 'objectivity.'

Like yours, for example.[/QUOTE]

You don't think Conservative Baptist Church is a CHRISTIAN church? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Caught in your own mess!

[Erundur]

Then you should be able to PROVE my statement is false.
And I can. The definition of heathen is:

heathen
adjective hea·then \ ˈhē-t͟hən \

1 : of or relating to people or nations that do not acknowledge the God of the Bible : of or relating to heathens (see 2heathen 1), their religions, or their customs : pagan | heathen rituals
2 : strange, uncivilized

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heathen

So,

A heathen religion is one that does not acknowledge the God of the Bible.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints acknowledges the God of the Bible.
Therefore, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not a heathen religion.

Your statement is proven false.


YOU CANNOT PRODUCE ONE SINGLE CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION that endorses your cult as 'Christian' at all.
The fact that I did in post #11 proves that I can.

[Christian]

And I can. The definition of heathen is:

heathen
adjective hea·then \ ˈhē-t͟hən \

1 : of or relating to people or nations that do not acknowledge the God of the Bible : of or relating to heathens (see 2heathen 1), their religions, or their customs : pagan | heathen rituals
2 : strange, uncivilized

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heathen

So,

A heathen religion is one that does not acknowledge the God of the Bible.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints acknowledges the God of the Bible.
Therefore, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not a heathen religion.

Your statement is proven false.

FALSE. You proved my statement to be TRUE. The mormon religion does NOT acknowledge the God of the Bible, it follows a FALSE god that was once a man, was supposedly 'exalted' to godhood, and was a god from all eternity to eternity without changing. . .a contradiction.

The God of the Bible is NOT that god. The God of the Bible is the ONLY TRUE GOD, not one of the myriad of godlets of mormonism.


YOU CANNOT PRODUCE ONE SINGLE CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION that endorses your cult as 'Christian' at all.

The fact that I did in post #11 proves that I can.

Except that you didn't because you cannot. ALL you did was demonstrate that the mormon cult believes in ITSELF. NOTHING from the CHRISTIAN denominations. NOTHING but childish ignorance.

[Erundur]

FALSE. You proved my statement to be TRUE.
Hardly.


The mormon religion does NOT acknowledge the God of the Bible
That is an outright falsehood.


Except that you didn't because you cannot.
Except that I can because I did.


ALL you did was demonstrate that the mormon cult believes in ITSELF.
Which satisfies your challenge.


NOTHING but childish ignorance.
Yeah, that's a pretty apt description of your post.

[Christian]

Addressing erunder is like addressing a four-year-old imho. A waste of my time. This is likely my last post to him. The Bible says something about casting pearls before swine. . .

And at this point it appears that the refuted supposedly 'christun' mormon cult remains a well-exposed cult; not REAL CHRISTIAN at all.

[Erundur]

And thus, the fact that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian church stands unrefuted.

[Christian]

And thus, the fact that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian church stands unrefuted.

Spoken with his blinders on and his ears plugged. The mormon cult has been SO exposed as a cult that it is ridiculous.

To simply make such a blind and deaf CLAIM "that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian church stands unrefuted" is totally pathetic and unprovable. Too much hard evidence to the contrary exists and I have presented much of it.

Joey Smith is not to be believed; the evidence shows that rational people DON'T believe his fairytales.

Sorry erunder, but your cult remains a cult in the eyes of us CHRISTIANS.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Christian View Post Why do mormons claim to be CHRISTIANS now?

They didn't used to. Their religion doesn't resemble the original church (the one Jesus built) very much.

The original church didn't have temples


Acts 2:46---King James Version (KJV)
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Christian--could you give us some examples of what one finds in the Biblical NT--as far as salvational doctrines go--which is not found in the LDS church?

James 2:24---King James Version (KJV)
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

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