As Christian members of either Walter Martin or CARM we MUST refrain from calling a person the names their actions would assign to them.. Someone may lie but instead of calling them liars, we need to turn to the lie and show that is is untrue and call the author of the lie to recount the statement in the light of the truth.. It's fine to call their words lies, but we, and that includes me, must try to see a difference between the sinner and the sin.. May God bless you all... IHS jim