Clearly, Jade's "question" was only to preach not to learn or even consider Trinitari
...an theology...
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jade84116
Malachi 2:10 and 15, KJV, states: "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?...And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth." That means that "one God" plus "one [wife]" equals one being or person only or the ****ogy makes no sense. Isaiah 44:24 had to be viewed by the absolutely monotheistic Jews that believed in one divine being or person only during Old Testament times (see "Trinity" entry at JewishEncyclopedia.com for more details) as meaning only one divine being or person created. Interpreting Isaiah 44:24 otherwise divorces it from it's historical context and that takes it out of context. You're free to your view though.
Isaiah 44:24 is the indication that one person in the Godhead created. Colossians 1:13-18 clearly teach that one person was the Word (John 1:1-3, 14) and not the Father (whose only creation, only begetting was the body of the incarnation John 1:14) nor the Holy Spirit. So of the three persons in the Godhead, the Word alone is Creator.
I'm Right and You Know It!!!!!!
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johnd
No creed takes authority over holy scripture. :D
Agreed. However, even you have to admit that as a practical matter trinitarians give those creeds equal status with the scripture while denying that they do. This being a spill over from Catholicism's putting tradition, creeds, and the church over scripture. If you were truly honest, then, you'd have to admit that I'm right on this one point.:)
Here's how "alone" is meant in Isaiah 44:24
God the Word (John 1:1-3) created.
God the Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21) wrote the Bible.
God the Father (Hebrews 10:5-7, John 1:14) created the incarnate body of the Son .
Each did did their unique mission uniquely. This however does not imply absolute aloneness. It means each was the only one who performed the specific function. Height is not depth nor length which does not negate the other two. In fact without all three none can exist.
Another Fallacious Question
It amazes me regarding the lack of ability Christians have in defending and understanding this basic doctrine. If one denies this doctrine, they are NOT a Christian by definition.
All those examples of the Trinity are all false ****ogies.
1) Water, solid, liquid, gas
2) Eggs,
3) The Senate
etc.
They are ridiculous since they give a false rendering. The issue regarding the economical Trinity and the Ontological Trinity is misconstrued.
1+1+1=3. So this appears to be a contradiction. However:
1x1x1=1.
We need to increase the quality of our math.
Do not answer a fool according to his folly. AND answer a fool according to his folly. Ridiculous.
Since we are finite, and the Trinity is Infinite and Eternal, then a finite cannot comprehend an infinite. Only on those issues in which the Infinite allows us to know via the opening of our minds (see John 20:25).
If the Infinite Personage never opens our minds, we KNOW nothing. (1 Cor 1:14-16
But in terms of logic, there is no contradiction. The 3 persons in one nature is perfectly logical since the proposition in the thesis of the Trinity does not contradict.
If we were to say the Trinity is one nature and three natures, that would be a contradiction since we are saying two opposing things within the same category of nature. Or if the Trinity has 3 persons and 1 person. However, since person and nature are in two different categories of thought, no contradiction is given within the proposition of the Trinity as a first principle.
And Van Til starts with the Trinity for all other arguments.
This is why Robert Bowman Jr. lost the debate against the oneness Pentecostal some 15 years ago. He first was arguing FOR the Trinity, and not FROM the Trinity. And 2nd, he was not understanding the difference between the ontological and economical differences within.
This is important.
I would hope many more Christians would wake up, and stop watching as much Television. Learn a little theology. If nothing else, at least the Trinity. It's the core of all other doctrines.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).