The future of Anglicanism
Since I was a former Anglican, I thought I would at least post something close to my heart. Firstly, if anyone has new information about the ECUSA or other Anglican communions that are engaged with the current crisis, I hope that you can share that.
Where do you think will happen to the ECUSA? Will they recant? Will they be seperated from the Anglican Church? Will it happen prior to the next Lambeth Conference? What of the archbishop of Canterbury? Anything relevant to consider?
Archbishop Rowan Williams
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Leslie
The Episcopalian Church needs to repent. They are in serious danger of falling into heresy by allowing ****sexual priests and teaching evolution and some even teach universalism. People like "Bishop" John Shelby Spong are taking the church to hell in a handbaskit. They are making people into a two fold child of hell with their false doctrines.
That is why I urge all conservative Anglicans and Episcopalians to stand up for Biblical Christianity and denounce the apostasy that is plaguing their church.
And get rid of their current leader, she's a heretic.
Bishop Rowan Williams seems to be the current leader over it all, yet he does nothing. To me, it seems that the Anglicans in Africa have ability to do put more pressure on the Archbishop of Canterbury. As long as Rowhan is in office, it seems he supports the ECUSA's actions. The fact that he never addressed the current crisis in the recent Lambeth conference demonstrates that heresy is much higher than just with the ECUSA.
Allocating conservative and liberal funds
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Leslie
Indeed, the Archbishop of Canterbury isn't doing his ***. He and the lady leader of the Episcopalian Church are disgracing the name Bishop.
Locally, I know a good Episcopalion minister who is conservative. Such a rare thing. I asked him how it is possible. As you may know, donations to the national church due to the crisis is optional. But what of the diocese you are under that voted against the moratorium against electing more ****sexual bishops in 2006? The Nashville diocese was split during this vote. So apparently money that goes to that diocese is seperated. Conservative parish's money are seperated from the liberal ones. So the monies will either fall under the Windsor report of 2004 or not. But can it really be respected and even expected that more money could be contributed by the liberal funded parishes to the diocese will go more to their liberal cause rather than supporting the bare bones administrative and mission needs? Would not the conservative funds be used more to support the good aspects thereby giving more freedom to the liberal fund to donate more to their progressive liberal agenda? It is like giving money to alcoholics with the instruction they should only use that money to buy food, so they use that money to buy food... but the money they could have used without the charity towards food is now allocated to support their alcoholic binging. I am not even sure I would want to be a part of the ECUSA as a conservative priest if the diocese is liberal or is divided. There are many other Anglican parishes in America that are gaining their connection to the Anglican communion in Nigeria... who has representative connection in Canterbury. I think jumping ship (ECUSA) is the morally correct thing to do. I became Catholic, but I think if I didn't become Catholic, the Anglican communions that have ties to the Convocation of Anglican Nigerian Churches in America are in a much better shape.
Ambo; liberalism attacking succession internally.
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sayso
"Where do you think will happen to the ECUSA? Will they recant? Will they be seperated from the Anglican Church? Will it happen prior to the next Lambeth Conference? What of the archbishop of Canterbury? Anything relevant to consider?"
I am only familiar with this church through hearing, but it seems to me that perhaps all (denominations) are experiencing a falling away. Even Paul was concerned about this type of stuff happening in his day.
Acts 20
28 "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
29 "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.
I can't prove it but I'd say that these types of people are in every denomination and eventually it has to cause division because "light has no fellowship with darkness".
There is something uniquely different from other denominations... something of which Catholics should be following with prayer and even extending moral support to the Anglican communities affected. Anglicanism is the only Protestant denomination of any considerable worth that believes in apostolic succession. Now in 1534, King Henry split from the Catholic Church and subsequently the Catholic claims it no longer carries a legitimate apostolic succession. But does not the Orthodox Church also claim the same thing after 1054? That the Catholic Church in their view only carries with it a physical succession and that only the Orthodox are legitimate? And for the very similiar reasons that the Pope is greatest among equals and doctrinal decisions are to be left for ecumenical councils and not by one pope or patriarch. This is seen by the inclusion of the filique clause not in the original Nicene Creed. Hence, such an addition trumps the original council and their authority. I partly agree with their ***essment, the Nicene Creed was made at that council and any additions to it did not happen at that time and place for its inclusion to be originated at that ecumenical council. Is the doctrine correct, yes; but that is not the point. It should be of similiar interest to the Catholics to follow the current crisis in the Anglican communion because we have so many laity who are out of sync with Catholic beliefs on the immorality of abortion and ****sexuality. They are attempting to change locally in the Catholic educational ins***utions to teach their liberal ideals. There are on the internet special interest groups that claim to be Catholic and promote female ordination, ****sexuality, prochoice, and a list of other things contrary to Catholic doctrine and morals. Our concern as Catholics, because we will not split from ourselves, is to clean up, quarrantine, and dismiss this cancerous infection. The same thing that happened to the Ecclesia Anglicana under King Henry can happen in America and Canada in a different form similar to what is going on with the ECUSA, if we don't address the liberal and cafeteria Catholics in both the laity and in the educational ins***utions our priests attend and may carry away and teach liberalism on the pulpit or fail to teach or emphasis correct Catholicism on the pulpit then the crisis is going to spill over and affect us as well.