When a Mormon Leader Has Doubts

This video explains how a high ranking Europeans Mormon began having doubts about Mormonism:


http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/1000...mid=fb-nytimes

It's interesting to see that about 1/5 of Mormons have doubts about Mormon teachings:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...rch-teachings/

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Originally Posted by Apologette

It's interesting to see that about 1/5 of Mormons have doubts about Mormon teachings:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...rch-teachings/

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Should we now post something about Christians having doubts and becoming atheists?

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

Should we now post something about Christians having doubts and becoming atheists?

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Well, this wouldn't be the proper forum for that. However, if you even bothered watching the video, you'd note that the Mormon objected to the fact that there was no full disclosure by the cult - and that's Mormonism's biggest problem. They cover up. And when people find out the facts via the internet, or reading, they get disgusted and walk away. Why do you think they put out the pitiful revisionist "essays?" Because people are aware of the truth and are demanding an explanation.

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Originally Posted by Apologette

Well, this wouldn't be the proper forum for that. However, if you even bothered watching the video, you'd note that the Mormon objected to the fact that there was no full disclosure by the cult - and that's Mormonism's biggest problem. They cover up. And when people find out the facts via the internet, or reading, they get disgusted and walk away. Why do you think they put out the pitiful revisionist "essays?" Because people are aware of the truth and are demanding an explanation.

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Actually, this is the proper response because any believer understands the need for faith. I have been aware of our history for years. There is nothing hidden. But just as with any religion, the focus is on the gospel. There will always be those with doubts and those who give up their faith--as you see with every type of Christianity. It doesn't mean it is not true, it means that there are those who let their doubts hinder their faith. It happened in Christ's time as well.

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

Actually, this is the proper response because any believer understands the need for faith. I have been aware of our history for years. There is nothing hidden. But just as with any religion, the focus is on the gospel. There will always be those with doubts and those who give up their faith--as you see with every type of Christianity. It doesn't mean it is not true, it means that there are those who let their doubts hinder their faith. It happened in Christ's time as well.

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Well, if you want to discuss Christians, go to the proper forum. You are a Mormon, and we are discussing the Mormon cult, and the fact that so many are leaving the LDS due to its cover up of history. Tell us, would you have handed over your daughter to Joey as a plural if she was only 14?

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

Actually, this is the proper response because any believer understands the need for faith. I have been aware of our history for years. There is nothing hidden. But just as with any religion, the focus is on the gospel. There will always be those with doubts and those who give up their faith--as you see with every type of Christianity. It doesn't mean it is not true, it means that there are those who let their doubts hinder their faith. It happened in Christ's time as well.

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Well, if you want to discuss Christians, go to the proper forum. You are a Mormon, and we are discussing the Mormon cult, and the fact that so many are leaving the LDS due to its cover up of history. Tell us, would you have handed over your daughter to Joey as a plural if she was only 14?

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Originally Posted by Apologette

It's interesting to see that about 1/5 of Mormons have doubts about Mormon teachings:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...rch-teachings/

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I do have a question, it's applicable since you are claiming a solid "cause & effect" claim here.

When a "Christian" doubts their faith and leaves their church, who's responsible for that?

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Originally Posted by Apologette

Well, if you want to discuss Christians, go to the proper forum. You are a Mormon, and we are discussing the Mormon cult, and the fact that so many are leaving the LDS due to its cover up of history. Tell us, would you have handed over your daughter to Joey as a plural if she was only 14?

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Could you please provide your evidence that "so many" are leaving the church due to "cover up of history"?

You must have something, you are stating this as fact, so let's see where you are getting your information. Okey doke?

Well....still, Mormons are more knowledgeable about their own religion than evangelical Protestants...even with our "complicated" doctrine.

http://creation.mobi/religion-survey...rance-of-bible

"For instance, only ¼ of white evangelicals knew that Protestants uniquely teach that salvation is by faith alone (somewhat of a mistake—the actual teaching is by grace through faith—Ephesians 2:8–9)."

3/4 or 75% of evangelicals don't even know how "Salvation" works??

So is anyone "responsible" for that?

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Originally Posted by MickeyS

I do have a question, it's applicable since you are claiming a solid "cause & effect" claim here.

When a "Christian" doubts their faith and leaves their church, who's responsible for that?

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I'm discussing Mormonism here. Did you even listen to the video? I see you love to jump on something, but never have a good grasp of what's being said.

I was directly addressing your pew research article that you posted. As you can see, I responded directly to that.

Was I not supposed to read that or any of those comments, or do you just not want to address my question?

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Originally Posted by MickeyS

I do have a question, it's applicable since you are claiming a solid "cause & effect" claim here.

When a "Christian" doubts their faith and leaves their church, who's responsible for that?

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I'm discussing Mormonism here. Did you even listen to the video? I see you love to jump on something, but never have a good grasp of what's being said.

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Originally Posted by Apologette

I'm discussing Mormonism here. Did you even listen to the video? I see you love to jump on something, but never have a good grasp of what's being said.

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I was directly addressing your pew research article that you posted. As you can see, I responded directly to that.

Was I not supposed to read that or any of those comments, or do you just not want to address my question?

Btw...I am well aware of Hans Mattson's situation and saddened by his story. I don't think he's stupid, ignorant or faithless.

I am in no place to judge him or determine what his personal situation and faith crisis to be or what he "should do" or "should have done". I can only imagine how hard it's been for him.

I pray for Hans and for ANY person seeking answers to their questions. That's all I'm going to say about it. I'm not spending anymore time on this thread exploiting another man's crisis to further somebody's agenda.

I was asking for your evidence of the things you claim, which I know I will never get.

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Originally Posted by MickeyS

Btw...I am well aware of Hans Mattson's situation and saddened by his story. I don't think he's stupid, ignorant or faithless.

I am in no place to judge him or determine what his personal situation and faith crisis to be or what he "should do" or "should have done". I can only imagine how hard it's been for him.

I pray for Hans and for ANY person seeking answers to their questions. That's all I'm going to say about it. I'm not spending anymore time on this thread exploiting another man's crisis to further somebody's agenda.

I was asking for your evidence of the things you claim, which I know I will never get.

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In the course of posting on FB, and interacting with many former Mormons, it seems to me that this fellow has a lot of company. Mormons constantly complain about the false presentations they got from missionaries. In this guy's case, he even grew up in the cult.

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Originally Posted by Apologette

In the course of posting on FB, and interacting with many former Mormons, it seems to me that this fellow has a lot of company. Mormons constantly complain about the false presentations they got from missionaries. In this guy's case, he even grew up in the cult.

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And atheism is on the rise as Christians grow skeptical of what they read in the Bible. I guess Christianity should begin their missionary lessons with their own sordid history, scientific disclaimers, etc. I am amazed Apologette that you seem oblivious to your own hypocrisy.

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

And atheism is on the rise as Christians grow skeptical of what they read in the Bible. I guess Christianity should begin their missionary lessons with their own sordid history, scientific disclaimers, etc. I am amazed Apologette that you seem oblivious to your own hypocrisy.

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that is an interesting idea: whenever Protestants find someone they want to "evangelize" their message to, if they would first begin the introduction with a confession of their sordid history and of the beliefs that scientists consider to be incredible, then none of their members would ever quit their churches! makes sense to me!

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

that is an interesting idea: whenever Protestants find someone they want to "evangelize" their message to, if they would first begin the introduction with a confession of their sordid history and of the beliefs that scientists consider to be incredible, then none of their members would ever quit their churches! makes sense to me!

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Kicked off again?

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

that is an interesting idea: whenever Protestants find someone they want to "evangelize" their message to, if they would first begin the introduction with a confession of their sordid history and of the beliefs that scientists consider to be incredible, then none of their members would ever quit their churches! makes sense to me!

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Kicked off again?

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

that is an interesting idea: whenever Protestants find someone they want to "evangelize" their message to, if they would first begin the introduction with a confession of their sordid history and of the beliefs that scientists consider to be incredible, then none of their members would ever quit their churches! makes sense to me!

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Kicked off again?

watch this....Hey Phoenix! What's up?

(Phoenix responds)

I could do this every single day and Phoenix will respond, if not the same day then within a couple (not everyone can live on these sites)

This person is a regular visitor of this forum....consistently accusing them otherwise is silly....and kinda weird.

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Originally Posted by MickeyS

watch this....Hey Phoenix! What's up?
(Phoenix responds)
I could do this every single day and Phoenix will respond, if not the same day then within a couple (not everyone can live on these sites)
This person is a regular visitor of this forum....consistently accusing them otherwise is silly....and kinda weird.

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what's up, is that the weather is really nice here today, warm and sunny. i think I will go do some gardening.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

what's up, is that the weather is really nice here today, warm and sunny. i think I will go do some gardening.

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:D :D Awesome