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[BigJulie;154825]Wow James--you are now trying to make your point using the D&C? Yes, what problem do you have with this verse?
Though you are free to believe that your God gives and revokes commandment at his whim. The God of the Bible commandments are eternal, never to be revoked.. Your God gave a commandment to build a temple and pointed to the very site.. That site is the temple lot in Far West Missouri. Is it there or did the mormon God say that He could defeat the mods of Missouri and take back the command? Look at D&C 124:49.. The Lord protected the Children of Israel as they escaped from Egypt against the sure death the Egyptians were ready to bring on them, but He couldn't find a way to protect the LDS from their enemies to complete the building he had commanded them to built.. WEAK GOOD FOR NOTHING GOD YOU MORMONS HAVE..
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At this point there are over 100 temples built.
Yup, which is why there are over 100 temples now.
Yes, it is being built even as we speak--and will continue.
IT is not being built! There isn't even any excavation being done on the lot.. In fact the property doesn't even belong to the LDS church. For you to say that a temple being built is Independence and that fulfills this prophecy is like saying that the sun came up this morning so that fulfills the prophecy of the return of the Son of God.. After all Sun, and Son sound the same.. IT ISN'T in the time Smith prophesied (He said when it would be completed, "For verily this generation shall not all p*** away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house.") Those that gathered in Far West have long been dead, even the new born babies that were present there have long been dead of OLD AGE... Smith Prophecy of a temple in Far West FAILED. It was a clearly a false prophecy making Smith a false prophet!
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As noted, the Holy Ghost bears witness to us of the scriptures--through the Holy Ghost, there is no need of contention as to what the scriptures mean.
While the Holy Spirit does testify of Jesus, it was Jesus that testified of His word. It was Jesus that told the Apostles that the Holy Spirit would bring all He said to their remembrance.. It is the Holy Spirit that teaches us His word (1 Corinthians 2:13), but if we refuse to seek Him we will never find Him.. He is found in the book containing His word.. We are told to study to show ourselves approved by God rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15).. You say you believe in obedience.. Why not go and do what He has commanded
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Yes, Joseph Smith was 14 when he received his first revelation.
That depends on which of his wild tales you want to believed.. In some of his stories he said he was 16.. Do you know of the proverb that says that to be a good liar you must have a good memory?
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Well, look at the word "our" image. I know that you know that God, as translated correctly from Hebrew actually means "gods"---not to hard to understand really.
Yes you could ignore all the rest of the scripture to have your meaning be the only true meaning.. Never mind that YHWH told Isaiah that there is no God beside Him. That He who knows all things don't know what you know.. He doesn't know of any other God (Isaiah 44:8).. It doesn't matter what you say.. God is the authority here NOT YOU.. When he said "I am God there is no other" (Isaiah 46:9), he know, and He is trustworthy.. You don't know, you are not trustworthy. That shows by your lack of faith in what He has told us of His nature by the prophet. Or is it that Isaiah is am older prophet and what a newer prophet teaches in God's new truth? Because we all know that God changes right? (Mal 3:6)..
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Nope, because God is invisible to us. But obviously, for instance, Stephen saw Christ standing on the right hand of God.
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God.
I have never said here or anywhere that The Father and the Son are the same person.. Has any man seen the invisible God, NO.. What did Steven see? He saw what a man can see of God. The ***urance that He was there.. Even when He was dying there is no way to see the invisible.. He saw God's glory and he saw Jesus. It never teaches in that p***age that He saw God.. Read it again, Steven saw God's glory, He saw Jesus, and Jesus was on the right hand of God.. Just where in that does it say he saw God?
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You know, I always find it fascinating the lengths some go to explain that God the Father is NOT like Jesus Christ, all the while contending that they are One.
Jesus said that when you have seen Him you have seen the Father. That He and the Father are one.. So what am I saying here? I am saying that Jesus the Child born unto us is the Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.. Who is the Father? He is the Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.. Other than the fact that the Father is physically invisible He and Jesus are the same Being.. That is less different than mormonism teaches them to be.. Mormonism teaches that they are two separate gods..
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But as I noted James---we will disagree---which is why ALL need the witness of the Holy Ghost.
It was the Holy Spirit that moved men to record His dealing with mankind. he is the same God always.. He is not going to teach that He is a Spirit in one text and turn around and say it has a body of flesh and bone as tangible as man in another.. To believe what a man teaches instead of what God has clearly stated shows a lack of faith in and knowledge of God. Remember Jesus (GOD) said that heaven and earth would die before he allowed His word to die.. If the Bible has been corrupted and we can't look to those errors and say these aren't part of the word then the Bible is dead, totally worthless in it message.. But Jesus (God) is powerful and has protected His word from the world. Therefore His word, the message He gave us originally has survived and is still there in the words of the Bible.. Remember He promised to always be with us even to the end of the world.
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Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
yes this is why we know the Bible is the word of God.. But Christian believe that the Holy Spirit is God.. Mormons, well not so much...
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Why do you think Christ taught that the Holy Ghost will teach us ALL things---and have us remember what he said? (Which was written down.) Why doesn't Christ tell us that we can learn all from the scriptures?
YOU REMEMBER ALL THAT JESUS TAUGHT? No dear,you have the opportunity to read what the Holy Spirit brought to the world though the memories of the disciples. I have showed you that within the scriptures we have the knowledge of Jesus (God), and of His salvation.. If you need wisdom for that you can understand these things (James 1:5) by all means pray for it.. If you want knowledge STUDY (2 Timothy 2:15).. IHS jim
