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The one God is father/Son. and Holy Spirit.
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there is only one God, the Mormon gods are fake...
The one God is father/Son. and Holy Spirit.
Billyray --- Glad to read that you are not L.D.S.. Obviously you and I think differently. Rather than ask a Mormon something that they do not know and cannot fathom... because they may be "warm-hearted" , but are Biblically unaware people.... IMO , you should have TOLD them the differences of what the Bible says about Christianity and what the L.D.S. system says.
Mormons are taught that Jesus is the spirit-brother of Lucifer and was produced by a daddy-god in times past. Nobody that buys into that kinda thinking is going to have a clue as to what real Biblical Christianity is.
I guess that your Thread was started by you to make a point ,,, but after reading the whole 20 pages now...
{ minus most of the posts by the LDS folks on here ... because they simply are clueless as to the thread ***le / question. }
... I agree with what poster/member BrianH said on page 19 ; This whole Thread should have been placed over in the Christianity section of this website . It should NOT be in the "Mormonism" section. I realize that this website is lightly moderated because the founder has other duties and "many fish to fry" , so people sometimes get a little carried-away with certain issues.
Your replies to several people on this Thread (IMO) have not been helpful to getting the true Gospel message out to the LDS folks who may visit W.M. Ministries Forum.
On this Thread , at least one member is a well meaning Christian - but , alas he wears Arminian gl***es , and can only see scripture verses that go along with John 3:16 and the Finney/Moody/Sunday/Graham "sawdust trail" evangelical/evangelistic method.
{That member replied to one of my posts and for some "knee-****" anti-John Calvin reason , needlessly bad-mouthed "Calvinism" in a thread which had nothing to do with the Genevan Reformer. I would betcha he has never even read one page of The Ins***utes of the Christian Religion ...! }
That member ( and yourself ) need to move this whole Thread over to the "Christian" section and not confuse the LDS and other curious visitors to the website.
Another member on this Thread ( who is probably a Christian ) is another part of the problem. That poster insulted the Creeds that have historically been the succinct , re****al / refutation of wrong and wicked doctrines of the gnostics and pagans. They ( The Creeds of Early Christianity )are in paragraph/page long form and have great explanations of what real Christians have held to since the earliest days of Christianity... !!
Those are The Apostles Creed ; The Nicene Creed ; and the Athasian Creed ; and the Formula of Chalcedon. These are the things which SHOULD be read and understood and will answer in a memorable form that the average Joe or Jane human can understand. Please do NOT throw out the good Theology/ Christology of the 4 main Creeds just because they are older than you are.
Do a search engine and look up any of those Creeds and read them for yourself. If you have a 1940 Episcopal Hymnal at home or a 1941 Lutheran Hymnal , you have some great Theology / Christology within reach. Open up and read the Nicene Creed --- ..." Very God of very God ..." " Begotten not made"... Oh folks , that is rich ! Only cultists and the devil hisself hate the Creeds. Read the Creeds and decide for yourself.
Those creeds which have stood the test of time against the forerunners of the J.W.s and the oneness pentecostal nutcases and the sexually obsessed mormon founders of the L.D.S. , will be around long after you and I are gone.
Christianity is Deep ! Christianity is also simple enough that children can understand it. Seems it is the adults that get all wobbly-bobbly in the head and can't seem to understand the black and white of scripture.
The basic - simple answer to your Thread question is simply this: Read what the Lord Jesus said as recorded for us in the Gospels and Acts and Revelation. Follow Him !
Read what the Apostles of The Lord Jesus said as recorded for us in the Acts and Epistles and Revelation. Do them !
Read all of God's written word starting at Genesis 1:1 and read the whole Older Testament , then you can understand what you/me/we are guilty of and why you/me/we need a Saviour.
If anyone reading this Thread needs more details on the Christian Faith and how to be a Biblical Christian then read / look-up ( Search Engine ) The 3 main Creeds that I mentioned above.
For more in-depth Theology/Christology / Soteriology / Pneumatology ? Ecclesiology , read the : The 39 Articles of Religion ; The 2nd London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689 ; The Three Forms of Unity ; and if you have a copy of The Open Bible ( Nelson Publishers ) , read and study "The Christian-Life Study Outlines" .
Do you think that people simply accept something that you tell them or perhaps is it better to ask them a question and let them come up with the answer themselves? IMO the later works better.Quote:
. Rather than ask a Mormon something that they do not know and cannot fathom... because they may be "warm-hearted" , but are Biblically unaware people.... IMO , you should have TOLD them the differences of what the Bible says about Christianity and what the L.D.S. system says.
I completely disagree. What is more important to a Mormon than determining if they are really a Christian or not. They call themselves Christian. So this is completely relevant to the discussion at hand.
I agree with much of what you said. I have been trying to get these bible and bible versions discussions taken to the appropriate category since it wasn't and isn't about Mormonism. I will not discuss bible versions in this category and we have been warned not to. How many times must a person be banned before they start following the rules? There are some on here who are not witnessing to Mormons. It makes one wonder why they even post on here at all.Quote:
Billyray --- Glad to read that you are not L.D.S.. Obviously you and I think differently. Rather than ask a Mormon something that they do not know and cannot fathom... because they may be "warm-hearted" , but are Biblically unaware people.... IMO , you should have TOLD them the differences of what the Bible says about Christianity and what the L.D.S. system says.
Mormons are taught that Jesus is the spirit-brother of Lucifer and was produced by a daddy-god in times past. Nobody that buys into that kinda thinking is going to have a clue as to what real Biblical Christianity is.
I guess that your Thread was started by you to make a point ,,, but after reading the whole 20 pages now...
{ minus most of the posts by the LDS folks on here ... because they simply are clueless as to the thread ***le / question. }
... I agree with what poster/member BrianH said on page 19 ; This whole Thread should have been placed over in the Christianity section of this website . It should NOT be in the "Mormonism" section. I realize that this website is lightly moderated because the founder has other duties and "many fish to fry" , so people sometimes get a little carried-away with certain issues.
Your replies to several people on this Thread (IMO) have not been helpful to getting the true Gospel message out to the LDS folks who may visit W.M. Ministries Forum.
On this Thread , at least one member is a well meaning Christian - but , alas he wears Arminian gl***es , and can only see scripture verses that go along with John 3:16 and the Finney/Moody/Sunday/Graham "sawdust trail" evangelical/evangelistic method.
{That member replied to one of my posts and for some "knee-****" anti-John Calvin reason , needlessly bad-mouthed "Calvinism" in a thread which had nothing to do with the Genevan Reformer. I would betcha he has never even read one page of The Ins***utes of the Christian Religion ...! }
That member ( and yourself ) need to move this whole Thread over to the "Christian" section and not confuse the LDS and other curious visitors to the website.
Another member on this Thread ( who is probably a Christian ) is another part of the problem. That poster insulted the Creeds that have historically been the succinct , re****al / refutation of wrong and wicked doctrines of the gnostics and pagans. They ( The Creeds of Early Christianity )are in paragraph/page long form and have great explanations of what real Christians have held to since the earliest days of Christianity... !!
Those are The Apostles Creed ; The Nicene Creed ; and the Athasian Creed ; and the Formula of Chalcedon. These are the things which SHOULD be read and understood and will answer in a memorable form that the average Joe or Jane human can understand. Please do NOT throw out the good Theology/ Christology of the 4 main Creeds just because they are older than you are.
Do a search engine and look up any of those Creeds and read them for yourself. If you have a 1940 Episcopal Hymnal at home or a 1941 Lutheran Hymnal , you have some great Theology / Christology within reach. Open up and read the Nicene Creed --- ..." Very God of very God ..." " Begotten not made"... Oh folks , that is rich ! Only cultists and the devil hisself hate the Creeds. Read the Creeds and decide for yourself.
Those creeds which have stood the test of time against the forerunners of the J.W.s and the oneness pentecostal nutcases and the sexually obsessed mormon founders of the L.D.S. , will be around long after you and I are gone.
Christianity is Deep ! Christianity is also simple enough that children can understand it. Seems it is the adults that get all wobbly-bobbly in the head and can't seem to understand the black and white of scripture.
The basic - simple answer to your Thread question is simply this: Read what the Lord Jesus said as recorded for us in the Gospels and Acts and Revelation. Follow Him !
Read what the Apostles of The Lord Jesus said as recorded for us in the Acts and Epistles and Revelation. Do them !
Read all of God's written word starting at Genesis 1:1 and read the whole Older Testament , then you can understand what you/me/we are guilty of and why you/me/we need a Saviour.
If anyone reading this Thread needs more details on the Christian Faith and how to be a Biblical Christian then read / look-up ( Search Engine ) The 3 main Creeds that I mentioned above.
For more in-depth Theology/Christology / Soteriology / Pneumatology ? Ecclesiology , read the : The 39 Articles of Religion ; The 2nd London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689 ; The Three Forms of Unity ; and if you have a copy of The Open Bible ( Nelson Publishers ) , read and study "The Christian-Life Study Outlines" .
BTW: if I am the member you have singled out as Armimian, which by the way, I am not, then please say so. Thanks.
I hold to the Reformed position but other Christians on the board besides you believe that those who follow Calvin are in a cult. TheSword, ErikErik, Jim, and Alan spent a month or so trying to tell me that Calvinism is false and that I needed to find the truth.Quote:
{That member replied to one of my posts and for some "knee-****" anti-John Calvin reason , needlessly bad-mouthed "Calvinism" in a thread which had nothing to do with the Genevan Reformer. I would betcha he has never even read one page of The Ins***utes of the Christian Religion ...!
yet you are the one who keeps bringing it up and when I call you on it you say it should be discussed in another forum.
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...Rather than ask a Mormon something that they do not know and cannot fathom... because they may be "warm-hearted" , but are Biblically unaware people.... ... Nobody that buys into that kinda thinking is going to have a clue as to what real Biblical Christianity is.
{ minus most of the posts by the LDS folks on here ... because they simply are clueless as to the thread ***le / question. }
...people sometimes get a little carried-away with certain issues....Your replies to several people on this Thread (IMO) have not been helpful to getting the true Gospel message out to the LDS folks ...at least one member is a well meaning Christian - but , alas he wears Arminian gl***es , and can only see scripture verses that go along with John 3:16 and the Finney/Moody/Sunday/Graham "sawdust trail" evangelical/evangelistic method.
{That member replied to one of my posts and for some "knee-****" anti-John Calvin reason , needlessly bad-mouthed "Calvinism" in a thread which had nothing to do with the Genevan Reformer. I would betcha he has never even read one page of The Ins***utes of the Christian Religion ...! }
... Another member on this Thread ( who is probably a Christian ) is another part of the problem. That poster insulted the Creeds ... ... Open up and read the Nicene Creed --- ..." Very God of very God ..." " Begotten not made"... Oh folks , that is rich ! Only cultists and the devil hisself hate the Creeds.... Christianity is Deep ! Christianity is also simple enough that children can understand it. Seems it is the adults that get all wobbly-bobbly in the head and can't seem to understand the black and white of scripture.
The basic - simple answer to your Thread question is simply this: Read what the Lord Jesus said as recorded for us in the Gospels and Acts and Revelation. Follow Him !
Read what the Apostles of The Lord Jesus said as recorded for us in the Acts and Epistles and Revelation. Do them !
Read all of God's written word starting at Genesis 1:1 and read the whole Older Testament , then you can understand what you/me/we are guilty of and why you/me/we need a Saviour. ....
....and I nominate that post for "Most Condescending, Insulting, Sanctimonious Post of the Week."
I saw nothing in it that personally posted one insult.. If you think it has show me and I will defend you.. But alas it was spoken against mormonism and not against Hopeful.. IHS jim
You don't agree with hardly anything that he says. He is a Calvinist and you are an Arminian. Don't you remember that you inferred that Calvinism is a cult? We went over this again and again and you told me that you were right and that my beliefs about Calvinism were wrong.
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So wait..that IS two gods then?
HopefulSaint stated: Yes, that is correct. But if you're a Christian, then regardless how many gods and lords there are, and regardless where they are--on Earth, or up in heaven--to you there is only one God (Jesus' Father) and to you there is only one Lord (Jesus).
I may not agree with you HopefulSaint, but I understand what you are trying to say here. Just to clarify, do LDS have any kind of total for the NUMBER of gods that exist and if not are there....say...more than 10? Even if its a god that we dont have anything to do with, worship, etc... is there more than 10 in the entirety of everything that exists everywhere? And is it your belief that God the Father is a god but Jesus is just a lord? Or does Jesus being born of God the Father also make him a god? Just trying to clarify and keep your beliefs correct and straight in my mind. Thanks.
(if you're a Christian, then regardless how many gods and lords there are, and regardless where they are--on Earth, or up in heaven--to you there is only one God (Jesus' Father) and to you there is only one Lord (Jesus).Quote:
Thanks.
LDS doctrine is that there never was a time when there were not gods--there never was an initial "big bang" that started the race of spirit-based beings that we are part of.Quote:
Just to clarify, do LDS have any kind of total for the NUMBER of gods that exist and if not are there....say...more than 10?
Very good. Not just a lord: To LDS, Jesus is our Lord partly because He led the forces of good against those of Lucifer in the war in heaven, partly because of His atonement and death for us making Him our Savior, and partly because His destiny is to rule over this planet during the millennium, etc. But He is also the glorified, only begotten Son of God in whom there is no sin and in whom all of His Father's virtues are evident, which makes Jesus a God--just not "the greatest." Jesus said "My Father is greater than I."Quote:
And is it your belief that God the Father is a god but Jesus is just a lord? Or does Jesus being born of God the Father also make him a god?
I am happy to answer any other questions from you, since you seem sincere and honest and perceptive.
I am intrigued by your post. You are a new poster here with only 50+ posts and you tell multiple posters what they should or should not do? Why is that? Not to mention falsely calling me a blasphemer in a prior post.
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:rolleyes: I should never click onto this website so close to bedtime...
I'll try to be brief , but that rarely happens. I have to be to work before the chickens crow , and I had thought my long post above would have / should have answered the Thread ***le Question , and addressed some obvious problems.
A.) Whether I have have 50+ posts or as some people do with thousands of posts does not mean that I do not understand a thing or two about Mormonism and about Christianity. I have stated actual-factual things , and I have made statements that are IMO ( In My Opinion ) , and usually my opinions are based on Scripture and things which I have seen and heard over the years. I often will point readers to a Bible p***age and or a sermon or book source.
B. ) It is called Walter Martin's Ministries Forum --- and is put up on the internet by his daughter Jill. I remember Walter. I listened to him almost every sa****ay night on the radio on KYMS-FM 106 , and on the 1/2 hour program that was played during the weekdays. I attended 2 of his lectures , and bought some of his books. Even called into the program at least twice. Walter was not Mister cushy-wushy when dealing with cults and false religions. He taught us to do what Paul and Peter and Stephen did centuries ago and what Jude admonished us to do: Rightly Defend the Faith ! Stand tall when confronting evil and heresy.
Per my post count ... well , I have been on the Website for a long time. I signed up for the Forums in Feb. 2010. I was welcomed by Jill. I might have posted more , but most of the other sections on here are vverrrry ssloooww. Then I had a very bad problem with the Firewall / anti-virus thingy-ma-jig , and I could not log in for months on this site.
I have posted on other sites , and I have found that many people who sit behind a keyboard and type without anyone watching , sure do get weird sometimes. Others think that they are The Pope and we should bow before them and kis their ring. Nobody is above scripture and if someone on the internet is coming up with some new wind of doctrine --- Flee !
If anyone gets offended by scripture , then so be it.
C. ) I removed the post where the ***le said "Blasphemer" , after you explained that you were trying to make a point to poster "HopefulSaint". I deleted that post after you said that you were not LDS and that you had a plan. I completely disagree with your approach then , and now. For the very sentence which you posted. Do you not understand that hundreds of people on the internet can read what you have posted ? If I did not understand your intent ( and I'm not wet behind the ears , by a long time ) then I think that many folks who read the website without posting , may be somewhat confused by that post you made. Why not you delete it and move on. ..?
I have no Mod or Admin powers here. I do have the ability to read and by the Grace of God , the ability to think. If Walter Martin ever used your tactics to reach Mormons and / or J.W.s , I never heard it or read it. I am certified positive that Walter Martin would not start a Thread about "What are the requirements to be a Hindu ?" over in the Buddhist section of the Boards.
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D. ) Okay now --- HopefulSaint : Oy Vey ,,, What I posted above was true , and just like Walter Martin's books and tapes ; If the head guys in S.L.C. could have refuted it , they would have. I stand by what I said.
L.D.S. Mormons are by and large often nice people. That does not mean they know what the Bible says / commands / teaches. Mormonism teaches that Jesus and lucifer are "spirit-brothers". If you knew your Bible you would be indignant that Joseph Smith and B. Young and the others could 'Pull-a-rabbit-out-of-their-hat" , and con so many people with that lie. Christians ( and those Creeds I mentioned ) teach that there is One true and living God. he exists in 3 Persons. The Father , The Son , The Holy Ghost. { And before you insult the Triune Godhead ,,, I'll remind you again ---> The Trinity is mentioned in The BoM. }
What I first typed was not the word "unaware" , but it was a word that starts with 'i' and ends with 't' , and has a 'g' and 'r' , 'n' , 'o' , but the word sensor-gizmo turned it into a line of asterisks . That word is the perfect description of the average Joe and Jane Mormon ; They simply do NOT know / they are unaware of the Bible. They may own one , but , they change many of the word meanings around.
Instead of feeling insulted and then posting that you did not like my post above ... why not actually do the google or the bing and look up those Creeds and Documents which I mentioned. Don't get mad or upset at a Christian who is trying to expose you to the real gospel.
The Sword99 ---> I did not use any screen names , because I wanted the folks to remember the content of the post --- not the name/ID of the poster. I have been and still do post on other sites , and it seems that many folks have a problem staying on the track of the Thread Topic / Question. Too often things get very "heated" , but not more illuminated.
Good night folks , I am reaaly tired.
[QUOTE=Decalogue;92303 The Sword99 ---> I did not use any screen names , because I wanted the folks to remember the content of the post --- not the name/ID of the poster. I have been and still do post on other sites , and it seems that many folks have a problem staying on the track of the Thread Topic / Question. Too often things get very "heated" , but not more illuminated.
Good night folks , I am reaaly tired.[/QUOTE]
I believe the honest way is to speak to the person privately whom you believe is in err. But to anonamously single people out for judgement leaves them unable to defend their position.
I do completely agree with you that this thread does not belong in the Mormonism section.
I am not trying to use "tactics" rather I am trying to discuss things openly and honestly with other posters. BTW what makes you think people have to post in the way that you approve of? That seems odd to me.
You had no problem telling me publicly that you thought that my Reformed beliefs were in error.
And I completely disagree with you. Mormons call themselves Christian. Christians tell Mormons that they are not Christian. Isn't this one of the most important topics that could be discussed on the Mormon board?
You may feel that there is no LDS person on the planet who is biblically literate, but it's a rule of thumb that such sweeping generalizations about an entire group of people are false. You wouldn't be the first prejudiced person to malign and insult an entire group of people. "All Negroes are immoral, all Mexicans are lazy, all Jews are misers," etc.Quote:
If you are "unaware" that some LDS people have post-graduate degrees in biblical studies-related fields, then I wonder who is really the i-gnorant person here.
Are you trying, with that remark, to vindicate the Book of Mormon? Or disparage it? If it really teaches Trinitarianism as it's taught by some Evangelicals, then I am tempted to lose my faith that it's a work of scripture....Quote:
,, I'll remind you again ---> The Trinity is mentioned in The BoM.
And what are your qualifications supporting your claim to know what the average LDS person knows about the Bible?Are you aware of the study that suggests that the average LDS person has a better understanding of Bible teachings than the average mainstream Christian has?Quote:
That word is the perfect description of the average Joe and Jane Mormon ; They simply do NOT know / they are unaware of the Bible.
Already done that. Instead of feeling like you're superior, why don't you get a dose of humility?Quote:
Instead of feeling insulted and then posting that you did not like my post above ... why not actually do the google or the bing and look up those Creeds and Documents which I mentioned.
I agree with you. How can it hurt to discuss, with LDS people, the various lists of requirements for becoming a Christian that people have? Maybe we will all figure out which list is the most correct one.
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(if you're a Christian, then regardless how many gods and lords there are, and regardless where they are--on Earth, or up in heaven--to you there is only one God (Jesus' Father) and to you there is only one Lord (Jesus).
Thanks.
LDS doctrine is that there never was a time when there were not gods--there never was an initial "big bang" that started the race of spirit-based beings that we are part of.
Very good. Not just a lord: To LDS, Jesus is our Lord partly because He led the forces of good against those of Lucifer in the war in heaven, partly because of His atonement and death for us making Him our Savior, and partly because His destiny is to rule over this planet during the millennium, etc. But He is also the glorified, only begotten Son of God in whom there is no sin and in whom all of His Father's virtues are evident, which makes Jesus a God--just not "the greatest." Jesus said "My Father is greater than I."
I am happy to answer any other questions from you, since you seem sincere and honest and perceptive.
Dear Hopeful,
You made a point here but the wrong one because you do err not understanding what the scriptures teach. When Jesus said that he was not greater than the Father, it was due to the fact that he layed down his glory in order to come to earth and take on a physical body...that is what he meant in that p***age but you want to make it something it isn't and never was meant to be.
There is ONLY ONE GOD! Mormonism wants to accept the idea that there are many and you will become one someday by living ALL the laws and ordinances of your religion. The flaw with that idea is, God has told us in Isaiah that He knows of no other gods. If this is so, than how can there be others and why wouldn't God know of them? If God progressed to being a God, is there not a god whom he must worship too? See, this is only becoming tiresome to think about. To have eternal increase that ALL Mormons wish to attain, means being a god, having many wives, having sex with those wives so they can bear many, many spirit babies to populate the world you will create. Where in the Bible does it teach eternal increase? This is the very subject I argued over with my father when I was 14. I never accepted that doctrine and it began my journey of doubting JS as well.
As I've shared with you and hopefully in a respectful manner, I still keep you in my prayers for wisdom and for the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to God's truths. May today be that day. God loves you, He is with you every where you go.
HopefulSaint:
I dont want to have any misunderstandings here so this is how it is for me
I am a sincere seeker of Truth. I am a born again Christian thanks to what Jesus Christ did for me on the cross and NOTHING that I have done or can do. I believe I have found all the Truth I will ever need in Christ alone and it burns in my heart constantly. HE BOUGHT ME by his sacrificial love and I cannot repay Him so I try to obey Him. I dont make it all the time so I ask for forgiveness. I ask you questions because I want your beliefs to be out there in writing so we can all see it and understand it. I disagree with it to my very core but respect the right for you to believe it. Thank God we live in the United States where there IS freedom to believe what you want. You are a person that Jesus Christ died for as much as He died for me or anyone else here and He loved you enough that if you were the only person needing to be saved He would have died for just you. You also seem like a sincere person seeking Truth but your belief about Jesus Christ's iden***y is so far from mine that we could (probably) never agree on many things because I do not believe you have identified Him correctly. WHO IS HE??? He is the King of ALL Kings, Lord of ALL Lords, the Alpha and Omega, Creator of ALL things (US), died for US... yet as me being a gentile you tell me He is NOT my God and only the Father is?? Thats strange language. I can only say if you have a burning in the bosom I have a burning in my Heart constantly that Jesus isJEHOVAH God, the Son, MY Savior and the ONLY God with which I will have to do because I believe He IS the ONLY God. So, I ask questions to understand your beliefs and because I respect you as a person and my God loves you. I dont NEED Joseph Smith to tell me I can enter Heaven because Jesus is the Gate and NO ONE comes to the Father but by Him, not Joseph. I hope this clears up my position a little. I try to be kind and ask questions to learn what you believe, that is all, and I do not mean to offend you but my belief is SO strong I KNOW it is the Truth so if it offends you, so be it.
Websters Definition of a polytheist:
belief in or worship of more than one god
Since you believe there is more than one God, by Websters definition, you are a polytheist and I am a monotheist. This causes BIG issues for us because both cannot be true simultaneously.
That much is accurate. I am a polytheist like Jesus was, as quoted in the Bible.Quote:
A monolatrist, to be more precise.
I can't help it if Jesus claimed to be the Son of the Only True God. I didn't write the Bible. I just believe what I read there.
I suppose you are in a sense, but I don't know that the Jews of the world would call you a monotheist. They claim to be monotheists.Quote:
and I am a monotheist.
I wonder if they would call you a Tritheist. Seems to me from the explanations I get from avowed Trinitarians, that if they are really monotheists, then they are of the Modalist variety.
If that offends you, then so be it.
They just seem to have a more established, longer record of being monotheists and on possessing the Tanakh to back them up, so their opinion of what is and isn't monotheism might deserve some attention. They are no more likely to take a Trinitarian's word as more authoritative then an Evangelical is to take a Mormon's word as being more authoritative regarding what is and isn't Christian theology.
Using this rationale you should also support their view of the Messiah.
HopefulSaint- where in Scripture in the Bible do you look to support this? Thanks
HopefulSaint said: "I am a polytheist like Jesus was, as quoted in the Bible."
Monolatrism or monolatry (Greek: μόνος (monos) = single, and λατρεία (latreia) = worship) is the recognition of the existence of many gods, but with the consistent worship of only one deity. (Wikipedia)
Which God do you worship? The Father only?
Well, the Bible says that Jesus is deity thanks to His Virgin Birth and His allusions to being Yahweh--and it also quotes Jesus saying that His Father is the Only True God. Then there are the parts that say or at least imply that the Holy Spirit also qualifies as deity. Put those together, and you can arrive at the monolatrist position that the "Trinity" consists of the Only True God (of Christians) and two other deities who are subservient to Him, with all 3 being united in the same way that faithful Christians hope to be ultimately united.Quote:
Do you want the exact Bible verses that I am thinking of, or is that good enough?
You mean like God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit? Sure, they can be and are true deities, "But for us, there is one God (Jesus' Father)..." to quote Paul.
IMO, there are Bible verses that refer to the Father as "the highest." Jesus never refers to Himself with that ***le, to my knowledge, so again, I prefer to trust what He said on the issue, to the extent that He taught theology, which was not a lot, relatively speaking.
I consistently worship the Person of the Father as my Creator. It is to Him that I pray, in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ.
And to do so you ignore what the Bible says God is.. Yes it teaches that the Father is God (John 20:17). The Bible also says that Jesus is God (John 1:1). And it teaches that the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4).. Does that make three Gods? NO the same being that is called God here confirmed the teaching of Moses that the Lord our GOD is one Lord (Mark 12:29).. Mormonism just disregards this and says I don't believe that because they can't understand the doctrine of the trinity. Is our understanding required before a doctrine in true? I have explained this so that it can be understood and still you deny that anyone had explained it logically.. It is time you move on into one of mormonism other heresies and leave the trinity along as a fact supported in the Bible.. IHS jim