UPCI Standards Questions

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Originally Posted by John Carr

I wasn't banned from any site.

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Keep on telling yourself that!!

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I just finished my last year of College.
So I was not posting much and now that I am at home I will be posting alot more.

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Lucky us!

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What you know doesn't chnage the biblical doctrines that you and your trinity friends don't abide in.

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Untruths..You have no ideal how others live!

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Oneness can be labeled what ever you folks want to label it. You church used force and the Martyrs Mirror and Foxes Book of Martyrs show this.
I would say to pick up a copy and see that your church cannot contain itself and keep from abusing it's power.

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Don't forget UPCI teaches the Magic Hair....Another gospel as well, dress salvation!

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The O.T. wear God gave jwelery is not needed in the NEW, where we are taught to abstain from the worldly things such as the trinity women and non-religious women go after.
One cannot tell Church women in most Trinity churches from the world, our women are always seen as speerated and having our long hair and dresses only, people generally know who and what we are.

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More lies, I see women all the time with long uncut hair, no makeup or jewelry and wearing dresses who are not UPCI! Again you have not separated yourself, you and your women dress just like the world!

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PAINTED FACES, JEANS AND MENS CLOTHING, CUT HAIR
You think that is of God? I don't.

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God didn't ask you know did He???

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Originally Posted by Beukeboom

The overt and extreme legalism you espouse is not held by Scripture and is the sociological element that also qualifies you and the UPCI and Oneness Pentecostalism in general as cultic.

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Note he has issues women, probably a lust one! These type go on and on about women, not one word of what set their men apart...Pharisees are very much alive amongst them...;)

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Originally Posted by John Carr

AN ABOMINATION for a woman to wear clothing pertaining to that of a man. MEN'S PANTS AND JEANS worn by women are a abomination..

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LIES!

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Women paitning their faces to attract men to look at them and their beauty and not Christ.

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LIES!

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Women wearing jewels and jewelery to be flashy and attract men and not after Christ, but after themlselves.

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LIES!

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Women cutting their hair to not only dress like men, but look like them to try and take power from men and usurp their position because they tell women how to quit playing with sin, but live Holy like Oneness women

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Again more untruths, but that the norm with you people....

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What goes on in the privacy of their home is their personal walk with Gd and not in public, you are now grabbing at straws trying to defend your own lifestyle and grievances against God.

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LOL!! YEAH right!!!

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Originally Posted by Kat

7But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

You notice in this scripture it says God looks at our heart he see's where men can not see.
Man see's the outward appearance of a person, so the way we dress is how men will see us, in
Deut 22 vs 5.The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. of course in the days of Abraham men wore robes as well as woman BUT.. womens robes were longer then the mens, and men wore pant's under their robes.. they still had their distinguish clothes both for men and woman... Abomination means Extreme hatred-in saying that time's have changed now they have turned menswear into womenswear (Pant's shorts etc)
in Corinthians 6v 9-10 it says 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Effeminate a person who dresses like a woman or Man, in saying this alot of clothes, pants look great on women and they do look like women, and I will say that only God is the judge not man, I don't frown on woman walking into the church with a pants on, I love them the way God loves them because he doe's the changes not us. what it is, men look at a women diferently from a womens point, and they see all the curves of a women, even tho we can not stop a man from lusting we can do our best to try not to provoke it from happening, by not revealing too much of our body, long skirts past the knees, not too tight, no low blouses to show our chest, etc Modest apparel for God.. Our hair 1 corinthians 11
13.Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
14Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
Did you know our long hair is a covering for our husbands and our children, it has power thats why God says its a glory for her... remember Man changes God never changes
and his word never changes... Ive known alot of people especially ministers of God where their wifes have cut their hair, the men are now with another women out of church and the children are in the world, so my hair is a covering for my husband and my children, I want to be safe and please God I don't care what men think about my way of dress or my long hair, I do it because I want to please our God

God Bless sorry for taking up your whole page
Sister Kat

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Yes, your right, God's word does not change, only the interpretation of his word. :)
Have you noticed, no other christian church views the oneness Pentecostal's view? Do you ever wonder why? Could oneness possibly be in error?
For example, where does it read in the Bible that a person must speak in tongues to be saved?
When were you saved? Before or after you spoke in tongues?

God bless you as you search for the truth in His word,

jean

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Originally Posted by WildCard~

LIES!



LIES!



LIES!

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Again more untruths, but that the norm with you people....





LOL!! YEAH right!!!

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Spoken like a true man of God. :rolleyes:
Are you aware of this p***age, 1 Jn.4:10-11 "Love one another." verse 19--21 "Whoever loves God must also love his brother"

Do you really believe that oneness pentecostals are the only believers that are going to be saved??? That would mean Christ died on the cross for one Church. Do you really believe this?
Is this what your leaders teach you? I sincerely hope not.

jean

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Originally Posted by John Carr

AN ABOMINATION for a woman to wear clothing pertaining to that of a man. MEN'S PANTS AND JEANS worn by women are a abomination.

Women paitning their faces to attract men to look at them and their beauty and not Christ.

Women wearing jewels and jewelery to be flashy and attract men and not after Christ, but after themlselves.

Women cutting their hair to not only dress like men, but look like them to try and take power from men and usurp their position because they tell women how to quit playing with sin, but live Holy like Oneness women.

What goes on in the privacy of their home is their personal walk with Gd and not in public, you are now grabbing at straws trying to defend your own lifestyle and grievances against God.

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Duet 22:5 reads,"A woman shall not wear mens apparel, nor shall a man put on a womans garment; For whoever does such is abhorrent to the Lord
God."
What this means is.. Men and women are not to reverse their sexual roles. It is not a statement about clothing styles. It refers to transves***es.
Oneness interpretation is in error.
Please look this up in any Commentary.

jean
PS, I have never seen a woman 'paint' their face, nor wear the gaudy jewelry you described. Your being very rude.
I can ***ure you, men aren't the least bit interested in a ladies jewelry, are they? :)

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Originally Posted by WildCard~

LIES!



LIES!



LIES!

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Again more untruths, but that the norm with you people....





LOL!! YEAH right!!!

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I have never been mistaken for a man. My husband knew I was a female in the beginning. :)
I don't know one lady friend of mine that has been ever mistaken for a man because she had slacks on.
Have you noticed, Women aren't built like men.:) We shop for our clothing in the ladies department.
Don't believe everything you think.

jean

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Originally Posted by WildCard~

Keep on telling yourself that!!




Lucky us!


Untruths..You have no ideal how others live!



Don't forget UPCI teaches the Magic Hair....Another gospel as well, dress salvation!





More lies, I see women all the time with long uncut hair, no makeup or jewelry and wearing dresses who are not UPCI! Again you have not separated yourself, you and your women dress just like the world!



God didn't ask you know did He???

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wild card,

Wild is right
Isn't fornunate, we don't have to dress to your Old fashion requirements
Do you own a Commentary? Read it. Or look your key p***ages up on the net.

jean

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Originally Posted by John Carr

AN ABOMINATION for a woman to wear clothing pertaining to that of a man. MEN'S PANTS AND JEANS worn by women are a abomination.

Women paitning their faces to attract men to look at them and their beauty and not Christ.

Women wearing jewels and jewelery to be flashy and attract men and not after Christ, but after themlselves.

Women cutting their hair to not only dress like men, but look like them to try and take power from men and usurp their position because they tell women how to quit playing with sin, but live Holy like Oneness women.

What goes on in the privacy of their home is their personal walk with Gd and not in public, you are now grabbing at straws trying to defend your own lifestyle and grievances against God.

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john,
Where are the scriptures to support your views? i'm not interested in your opinion.

jean

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Originally Posted by John Carr

I wasn't banned from any site.
I just finished my last year of College.
So I was not posting much and now that I am at home I will be posting alot more.

What you know doesn't chnage the biblical doctrines that you and your trinity friends don't abide in.

Oneness can be labeled what ever you folks want to label it. You church used force and the Martyrs Mirror and Foxes Book of Martyrs show this.
I would say to pick up a copy and see that your church cannot contain itself and keep from abusing it's power.

The O.T. wear God gave jwelery is not needed in the NEW, where we are taught to abstain from the worldly things such as the trinity women and non-religious women go after.
One cannot tell Church women in most Trinity churches from the world, our women are always seen as speerated and having our long hair and dresses only, people generally know who and what we are.

PAINTED FACES, JEANS AND MENS CLOTHING, CUT HAIR
You think that is of God? I don't.

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john,
They do not sell mens clothing in the ladies department
I don't purchase mens clothing. Unless it's for my husband. I don't wear his clothes either. They don't fit.:D

jean

'koom-byah .... koom-byah .... sniffin regular octane on a warm sunny day .... koom-byah .... koom-byah!!' :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jean

I have never been mistaken for a man. My husband knew I was a female in the beginning. :)
I don't know one lady friend of mine that has been ever mistaken for a man because she had slacks on.
Have you noticed, Women aren't built like men.:) We shop for our clothing in the ladies department.
Don't believe everything you think.

jean

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Same here, my hubby knew I was all woman....;)

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Originally Posted by jean

Spoken like a true man of God. :rolleyes:
Are you aware of this p***age, 1 Jn.4:10-11 "Love one another." verse 19--21 "Whoever loves God must also love his brother"

Do you really believe that oneness pentecostals are the only believers that are going to be saved??? That would mean Christ died on the cross for one Church. Do you really believe this?
Is this what your leaders teach you? I sincerely hope not.

jean

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Hi Jean~ I'm a she...;) I'm an ex-UPCIer....I no longer believe those things, I was set free~

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Originally Posted by WildCard~

Hi Jean~ I'm a she...;) I'm an ex-UPCIer....I no longer believe those things, I was set free~

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Thank you for the update. :)
Very happy you left upci. I have two dear friends that are still involved with this church.

In my opinion their pastor will have to answer for teaching false doctrine.
The fact they deny the Trinity is bad enough but they also deny the sufficiency of Jesus to save them. they rely on works. ie, 'speaking in tongues

Lets pray for them,
jeanm'

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Originally Posted by jade84116

What do you think of the UPCI's holiness standards? What do you think of their refusal to serve in the military or politics?:)

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Why is it then that whenever oneness pentecostals teach about “holiness” they teach about rules for the way you look? “Don’t wear jewelry, don’t wear make-up, women can’t wear pants, men can’t wear a beard.” Some even teach that if women wear open toed shoes they will go to hell! I can’t find any scriptures in the Bible that support these claims. The ones used to support these claims are used out of context, or are misread. In fact, Ezekiel 16 shows that God does not have a problem with jewelry. Peter said, (my paraphrase) “let your beauty before God not be your outward appearance”; he did not say, “don’t wear gold.” If he did, then we shouldn’t be wearing clothes either (1 Peter 3:3). In the same light, Leviticus 19:27 says that men MUST wear a beard. When did God change his mind on that and say, “You can’t serve me if you have a beard?” The only proof for most of the “holiness standards” is misused scriptures. While we are on the subject (which so many are curious about), oneness pentecostals use a scripture from the mosaic law (Deut 22:5) to say that women should not wear pants, however they ignore another scripture from the mosaic law (Lev 19:27) that requires men to wear a beard. The point of Deuteronomy 22:5 is to ensure definition between the sexes; men should look like men and women vice versa. Why? Both the old and new covenants were representative of marriage contracts. The man has a specific role in the marriage contract, which is representative of God, and the woman has specific roles likewise which are representative of the church. If the lines between the sexes are blurred, the definitions of the contracts between God and humanity become blurred. Therefore God gave commandments to ensure we don’t blur these lines. What could be more manlike than keeping the beard God gave you?
In Colossians 2:20-23 Paul asks (my paraphrase), “If you really believe that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, then why do you follow man-made rules that you think make you look holy; but they really have nothing to do with true holiness?”
1st John 5:3 says, “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.” What are the commandments of God? The ten commandments? Jesus said that the greatest commandment was “HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; 30AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' 31"The second is this, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' There is no other commandment greater than these." If you look at the ten commandments, you will see that the first five have to do with how to love God, and the second five have to do with loving others; which is exactly what Jesus said. Read the 15th Chapter of John. That is as good a summation as I can find. Do you really love God? Do you really love your fellow man? If not, are you really being holy like God wants? AND, does a dress code in any way make you more holy (according to scripture)?

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Originally Posted by JE

Why is it then that whenever oneness pentecostals teach about “holiness” they teach about rules for the way you look? “Don’t wear jewelry, don’t wear make-up, women can’t wear pants, men can’t wear a beard.” Some even teach that if women wear open toed shoes they will go to hell! I can’t find any scriptures in the Bible that support these claims. The ones used to support these claims are used out of context, or are misread. In fact, Ezekiel 16 shows that God does not have a problem with jewelry. Peter said, (my paraphrase) “let your beauty before God not be your outward appearance”; he did not say, “don’t wear gold.” If he did, then we shouldn’t be wearing clothes either (1 Peter 3:3). In the same light, Leviticus 19:27 says that men MUST wear a beard. When did God change his mind on that and say, “You can’t serve me if you have a beard?” The only proof for most of the “holiness standards” is misused scriptures. While we are on the subject (which so many are curious about), oneness pentecostals use a scripture from the mosaic law (Deut 22:5) to say that women should not wear pants, however they ignore another scripture from the mosaic law (Lev 19:27) that requires men to wear a beard. The point of Deuteronomy 22:5 is to ensure definition between the sexes; men should look like men and women vice versa. Why? Both the old and new covenants were representative of marriage contracts. The man has a specific role in the marriage contract, which is representative of God, and the woman has specific roles likewise which are representative of the church. If the lines between the sexes are blurred, the definitions of the contracts between God and humanity become blurred. Therefore God gave commandments to ensure we don’t blur these lines. What could be more manlike than keeping the beard God gave you?
In Colossians 2:20-23 Paul asks (my paraphrase), “If you really believe that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, then why do you follow man-made rules that you think make you look holy; but they really have nothing to do with true holiness?”
1st John 5:3 says, “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.” What are the commandments of God? The ten commandments? Jesus said that the greatest commandment was “HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; 30AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' 31"The second is this, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' There is no other commandment greater than these." If you look at the ten commandments, you will see that the first five have to do with how to love God, and the second five have to do with loving others; which is exactly what Jesus said. Read the 15th Chapter of John. That is as good a summation as I can find. Do you really love God? Do you really love your fellow man? If not, are you really being holy like God wants? AND, does a dress code in any way make you more holy (according to scripture)?

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JE,
Oneness definition of holiness has nothing to do with the way a person dresses.
Christian holiness comes from the heart.
If oneness ladies are foolish enough to have a man tell them how to dress they are weak minded. Dress codes are out of date.
There is nothing wrong with a lady weaing slacks. It's the custom today. Styles change, otherwise we would all be wearing robes and sandles.

The Bible speaks of modesty, which I agree with.
Amish choose to dress alike, certain catholics dress differently as well.
I'm not going to put myself in the position of judging anyone.
Why is this such a devisive issue?

jeanm

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Originally Posted by John Carr

I am not on another site, I am on this one.

So why is it Trinity women do not abide by Biblical standards of Holiness?

They cut their haid and dishonor themselves and their husband. see 1 Cor.11:1-16
They paint their face with paints and are not shamefaced as 1 TIM 2:9 states
They wear jewlery and deny the Bible and what it stated for N.T. Christians 1 Tim.2;9 and 1 Pet 3;3.
They wear pants and jeans and are considered a abomination by the Lord from DT. 22:5
Many pierce their bodies and wear tatoos and dye their hair and drink and smoke and cuss adn take drugs, so why is this so prevalent in the Trinity (supposed Christian) Cult?

Oneness women don't do these things and lay them down and are cleaned by the Spirit of God and his word in them.

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carr,
Your definitions of the above scriptures are wrong.
It's your opinion.
Pants or jeans that some ladies choose to wear today are not armor.

jeanm

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Originally Posted by John Carr

Jean, God does look on the inward, but he also expects his real saints dressed and looking different on the outward when the inward is clean.
Oneness don't dress like the trinitarians and the world.
Women don't wear makeup and jewelery nor cut their hair and dress immodestly.
Neither men or women drink or curse, or smoke and men are to not have long hair or dress immodest and act or look feminine.

JC

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carr,
I'm aware how oneness are required to dress. It has nothing to do with holiness, but a lot to do with conrol.
The Lord looks on the heart of man, not their outside appearance.
I have never met a drunken christian. Also, I don't know of any friend of mine whose vocabulary is so limited that would would have to interject profanity to make a point. I don't know one friend of mine that even smokes.
Where do you get you ideas from? Are you judging others?
See Mt.7:1-5 it may curb your judging attiitude. :)

God bless,
jeanm

Rom.2:11 "For God does not show favortism."

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Originally Posted by John Carr

Those Biblical scriptures tear you up don't they.
No lies, that is real Biblical truth.
Women who dress in pants are a abomination. Theya re paiting their faces and are not shamefaced, they wear jewelery adn immodest clothing against 1 tim 2:9 and 1 pet.3:3

Put up some links to women in your church, or organization if you don't have a web site.
I bet we sin plenty of sin and corruption.

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carr,
you are reading into these p***ages with a 51 A.D. a***ude
Jewish women in that culture were treated as second cl*** citizens.
You are also describing dress codes which your church is foolish enough to p*** unto a third millenium woman.
As long as your not doing this with a judgmental at***ude , you ways are your own.
What matters is... do you view this as a salvation issue? Dress codes that is.

God bless,
jeanm

What are "trinity women"?

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Originally Posted by jade84116

What do you think of the UPCI's holiness standards? What do you think of their refusal to serve in the military or politics?:)

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Holiness standards? There is nothing holy in the way they dress.
They choose to dress differently from others . I find that exeptable for them, but God looks at the heart of man, not the outside appearance.
Pride is another problem to watch for.

jeanmarie

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Originally Posted by John Carr

Jean, God does look on the inward, but he also expects his real saints dressed and looking different on the outward when the inward is clean.
Oneness don't dress like the trinitarians and the world.
Women don't wear makeup and jewelery nor cut their hair and dress immodestly.
Neither men or women drink or curse, or smoke and men are to not have long hair or dress immodest and act or look feminine.

JC

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john,
I realize there are ladies and young people that do dress as you have discribed.
The length of hair has nothing to do with salvation. 1Cor.11 was the culture of dress in the early church. We don't wear robes and sandles today.
Smoking of course is bad for a persons health. Drunkeness is a sin.
Jesus performed His first miracle at Cana by changing the water into wine .
Having a gl*** of wine is not a sin.
Dressing immodestly is also not to be done.
We as Christians are filled with the Holy Spirit. Some folks haven't gotten that far yet.
Jesus does not show favortism. Rom.2:11 he loves everyone. Even sinners. :)
And non-Pentecostals. :)

God bless you,
jeanm

I saw this post and not sure if posters will come back, but wanted to set straight about Oneness serving in Military.
THEY DO!, THEY HAVE, THEY WILL.
Now some at least those I have known in the past served many times as conscientous objecters, in roles alot in the medical field, my pastor did so, when he was not yet a minister and had worked in a hospital before the Vietnam war.
Served in the front in places on firebases (one nearly overrun).

I personally was in Military when I was saved, but did not change to that status.

I have known a Minister's Son who served in the Armor in Iraq war and had a vehicle ****n up and overturned and he survived.

Now many Oneness have not run alot in politics, they would have even though conservative status, have Trinitarians objecting to a Oneness and not getting out the vote.
I do know of a State Legislater from MO. a few years back.
And a Supreme Court Judge from down South who got saved at a older age and was in the highest position as s Judge.
Oneness people vote and very conservative for the most part, MOST LIKELY 95%+ REPUBLICAN (I have never heard one profess to being a Democrat, though through ignorance and not knowing that Democrats have dropped off the cliff on morals, a older person could still be thinking this is olden days).
I have helped campaign for Governor, Congressman, State Senators and State Representatives and some other local offices (mostly state positions though).
So we are very conservative, and most know what is going on and that Democrats are running this country into the ground.

I think the UPCI dress standards regarding Holiness and living and teaching are biblical based and to be followed.