I miss something here forsure.
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Originally Posted by
theway
That's an easy question.
No, water does not save you; however by that same line of literal reasoning, blood will not save anyone either.
It is the waters of baptism unto repentance which can save you. Likewise, it is the blood of Christ being spilt on our behalf, which saves us from physical death, and allows for us to be saved from spiritual death as well.
But then, you likewise believe in ordinances done only by someone with the authority to do them, has the power to save people as well; so I don't understand your objection.
Okay so at least we got the water out of the way, so I guess that is progress.
As Peter said, "repent and be baptized."
I we see repentence comes before baptism.
"baptize in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
So we agree water isn't mention here, thus if we can see from other scripture that the when water is asks for. Act 10:47. Peter asks, "Can any man forbid water that these should not be baptized which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Notice here in the next verse, notice it carefully.
Act 10:48, And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Did you notice, Peter did not say for the remission of sin?
Why? Because their sins had already been forgiven of them, they had recieved the Holy Ghost. Amen, and Amen.
How much degree does everyone have here of the HG?
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Originally Posted by
theway
The Holy Spirit has to come to you in some degree before you are baptised, else how do you know what you are doing is of God?
Silly question.
I'll go first, hum, at this time, yesterday, today or tomorrow?
Is there a degree like 1% to 99%, or is it 100% full?
I think I'll let theyway answer that.:confused:
Thanks Billyray, I guess that means?
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Originally Posted by
Billyray
Acts 10
44*While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45*The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46*For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.
They received the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Nice try.
Well at lease they had 1% or better.
I am still waiting on theway
Of course, Did not Jesus Command him?
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Originally Posted by
BigJulie
And yet Peter still argued for their baptism. :eek:
Baptism, Baptism, Baptism, How many times do we agree on baptism?
We agree on the act of baptism, we disagree it is necessary for Salvation.
Mormonism is, the mormon jesus plus+
The Chirstian is Jesus, believe.
Oh no, don't open a can of warms.
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Originally Posted by
Billyray
We are commanded to be baptized BigJ. But does the work of baptism save you, that is what we seem to be arguing over.
BTW since Christians believe in baptism do you believe that those Christians who are baptized will be exalted?
Exaltation, and me. I think I'll write another story here.