What are the requirements to be a Christian?

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05-26-2011, 01:00 PM
Billyray

BigJ

You do not have a list of requirements to be a Christian do you? You are just making it up on the fly.
05-26-2011, 01:02 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

So an atheist can be a Christian as long as he follows a set of rules?

If an athiest has never had the opportunity to hear of God or Christ or His teachings and has never rejected the Spirit given to him, yet acts on what he believes is good and right, He is more of a Christian than those who hear the gospel and behave badly. That is the point of the parable of the Two Sons.
05-26-2011, 01:02 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by biblicalchristian

An atheist is someone who deliberately denies that there is a God.

An agnostic can be a Christian as long as he follows the rules. Agree?
05-26-2011, 01:04 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

An agnostic can be a Christian as long as he follows the rules. Agree?

Once again, as long as he has never had the opportunity to hear of God or Christ. Once someone has had the gospel presented and willingly rejects it, they are like the man at the wedding refusing to wear the wedding garment. They will be cast out and there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Billyray---we know that Christ commanded the disciples to not go to Samaria---hence, we know they the Samaritans did not have a chance yet to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. The Good Samaritan is a good example on someone acting on the spirit that was given to them--even if it was just "two talents" in comparison with the fullness of the gospel.
05-26-2011, 01:05 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

Once again, as long as he has never had the opportunity to hear of God or Christ. Once someone has had the gospel presented and willingly rejects it, they are like the man at the wedding refusing to wear the wedding garment. They will be cast out and there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Can a person be a Christian without having faith in Christ?
05-26-2011, 01:08 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

Can a person be a Christian without having faith in Christ?

Once again, what is faith in Christ?

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Anyone who acts on the Spirit given to them has faith in Christ regardless of whether or not they have been formally taught of Christ. Those who have learned to follow this Spirit will accept the gospel when presented if they have not been scared away by "conspiring men" or the craftiness of Satan and ignore this Spirit which they know.

We see that God's love is given to all of His creations and that He will reward or punish based on what He gives--because He did not send His Son to condemn the world, but to save it.
05-26-2011, 01:09 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

Once again, what is faith in Christ?

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Can a person be a Christian without having faith in Christ?
05-26-2011, 01:11 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

Can a person be a Christian without having faith in Christ?

No--one must have faith in Jesus Christ, but not all have been taught this formally--some, like the Good Samaritan, have only been taught via the Spirit and follow that Spirit. Once again, that is the point of the whole parable--for the Pharisees to realize that their own definitions of right and wrong and good and bad are fruitless and it is God who teaches and God who defines.

This is why your thread of "what are the requirements to be Christian" is pointless--it starts with the wrong ***umption that you can know by "requirements" set by you.
05-26-2011, 01:12 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

No--one must have faith in Jesus Christ

So the Samaritan was not a Christian then correct?
05-26-2011, 01:14 PM
Billyray

1. Faith in Christ
2. Baptism
3. Laying on of hand for the gift of the Holy Ghost
4. Obeying the commandments

BigJ are these the requirements for being a Christian? Anything else?
05-26-2011, 01:15 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

So the Samaritan was not a Christian then correct?

I think you must be ignoring all of my posts or not really reading them. Billyray---would Jesus Christ define the Good Samaritan as a follower of His commandments? Yes or no? Why did He use this example to the Pharisees?
05-26-2011, 01:15 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

1. Faith in Christ
2. Baptism
3. Laying on of hand for the gift of the Holy Ghost
4. Obeying the commandments

BigJ are these the requirements for being a Christian? Anything else?

I am convinced you are having a conversation with yourself. You only hear what you want to hear and only see what you want to see. I cannot help you. I think if you find a good mirror, you can have this same conversation and be proud of the points you make. :)
05-26-2011, 01:23 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

Billyray---would Jesus Christ define the Good Samaritan as a follower of His commandments? Yes or no? Why did He use this example to the Pharisees?

BigJ the Samaritan did not have faith in Christ so by your own definition he is not a Christian unless of course you want to change your requirements.

Please give me a list of requirements. If you don't have one just tell me so.
05-26-2011, 01:24 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

BigJ the Samaritan did not have faith in Christ so by your own definition he is not a Christian unless of course you want to change your requirements.

Please give me a list of requirements. If you don't have one just tell me so.

The Good Samaritan, by definition, had faith in Christ--or he would have not displayed the goodness that he did. (Or where do you think his goodness came from?)
05-26-2011, 01:25 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

I am convinced you are having a conversation with yourself.

I agree because you are not listening and you are being very wishy washy in your answers.

My definition of a Christian is one who is regenerated and has faith in the Christ of the Bible. Now your turn what are the requirements to be a Christian? This is a simple question BigJ.
05-26-2011, 01:27 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

I agree because you are not listening and you are being very washy washy in your answers.

My definition of a Christian is one who is regenerated and has faith in the Christ of the Bible. Now your turn what are the requirements to be a Christian? This is a simple question BigJ.

I will ask you again, where did the goodness come from that the Good Samaritan displayed?
05-26-2011, 01:29 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

I will ask you again, where did the goodness come from that the Good Samaritan displayed?

The same place that goodness comes from when a atheist does good things but that does not make an atheist a Christian.

Now are you ever going to answer my question or are you just going to give me the run around?
05-26-2011, 01:32 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

The same place that goodness comes when a atheist does good things but that does not make an atheist a Christian.

Now are you ever going to answer my question or are you just going to give me the run around?

And I will tell you one more time the parable of the Two Sons:

Matthew 21: 28-31 But what think ye? A [certain] man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I [go], sir: and went not. Whether of them twain did the will of [his] father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

In other words, an athiest who does good things displays more faith in Christ than those who profess faith in Christ, but do not.
05-26-2011, 01:34 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

In other words, an athiest who does good things displays more faith in Christ than those who profess faith in Christ, but do not.

Now that is the quote of the week. I think I will use that for my signature line.
05-26-2011, 01:36 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

Now that is the quote of the week. I think I will use that for my signature line.

I think you could use this line as well: "Whether of them twain did the will of [his] father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you."--because it Christ saying the same thing.
05-26-2011, 01:37 PM
Billyray

BigJ what are the requirements to be a Christian?
05-26-2011, 01:40 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

BigJ what are the requirements to be a Christian?

Billyray, I have told you already. You are beginning to repeat questions.
05-26-2011, 02:49 PM
James Banta

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

Both the Norhern Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom went astray from God.

Hsa 5:12 Therefore [will] I [be] unto Ephraim as a moth, and to the house of Judah as rottenness.

And they fought many wars as well.

While the South (Judah) had some righteous kings, the north did NOT.. Right from the start the king of Israel (Jeroboam) took up other gods making Israel sin.. He appointed priest and they offered sacrifice to two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. And he made an high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi (1Kings 12).. Therefore God sold Israel into ***yria long before Babylon came down to punish Judah for Her sin.. Israel was ***imilated into ***yria while Judah kept her national iden***y.. For within Judah was Jerusalem, and within Jerusalem was the Temple, the reason for priesthood.

Building high places for Israel to worship was evil in the sight of God.. There is one and only one place on the whole earth where God has chosen to have a house built to His name.. Mormonism has chosen the way of Jeroboam and has built many high places to worship it's gods.. If you think this line of scripture can prove anything for mormonism you have no been shown that it is just the opposite. It disproves any religion that will build a high place anyplace but the place God has chosen.. Even after the LDS church has built many temples the place God has chosen to put His name to have a house built for His glory remains empty and in ruin.. And the only reason for this is that mormonism follows the same path as Jeroboam in building High Places to it's false gods.. IHS jim
05-26-2011, 03:35 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by James Banta

While the South (Judah) had some righteous kings, the north did NOT.. Right from the start the king of Israel (Jeroboam) took up other gods making Israel sin.. He appointed priest and they offered sacrifice to two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. And he made an high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi (1Kings 12).. Therefore God sold Israel into ***yria long before Babylon came down to punish Judah for Her sin.. Israel was ***imilated into ***yria while Judah kept her national iden***y.. For within Judah was Jerusalem, and within Jerusalem was the Temple, the reason for priesthood.

Building high places for Israel to worship was evil in the sight of God.. There is one and only one place on the whole earth where God has chosen to have a house built to His name.. Mormonism has chosen the way of Jeroboam and has built many high places to worship it's gods.. If you think this line of scripture can prove anything for mormonism you have no been shown that it is just the opposite. It disproves any religion that will build a high place anyplace but the place God has chosen.. Even after the LDS church has built many temples the place God has chosen to put His name to have a house built for His glory remains empty and in ruin.. And the only reason for this is that mormonism follows the same path as Jeroboam in building High Places to it's false gods.. IHS jim

The ruler will come out of Judah, but the birthright belongs to Ephraim. The Northern tribe has been "lost", but it will not stay that way. Each tribe will be gathered in again and Christ will sit as their King. These are the prophecies of the last days.

Isa 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

Also, Jeruselum was the only place for the temple of the Old Testament, but in the last days, God has restored His gospel and it no longer is subject to only those in Jeruselum.

Isa 2:2 And it shall come to p*** in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
05-26-2011, 05:08 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

Billyray, I have told you already.

How about a quick summary for me BigJ because you have waffled back and forth in your answers.

BigJ what are the requirements to be a Christian?
05-26-2011, 06:38 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

How about a quick summary for me BigJ because you have waffled back and forth in your answers.

BigJ what are the requirements to be a Christian?

First off, you question: What are the requirements to be a Christian?-- is the same type of question What are the requirements to be a "neighbor"?

So, with that in mind, I will answer you with the exact same answer that I have answered twice before: A person who follows the SPIRIT of Christ is a Christian. Those who do not, are not.

Who is the neighbor? According to Christ, it is the one who acts like a neighbor. Likewise Christ teaches: Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
05-26-2011, 06:42 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

First off, you question: What are the requirements to be a Christian?-- is the same type of question What are the requirements to be a "neighbor"?

So, with that in mind, I will answer you with the exact same answer that I have answered twice before: A person who follows the SPIRIT of Christ is a Christian. Those who do not, are not.

Who is the neighbor? According to Christ, it is the one who acts like a neighbor. Likewise Christ teaches: Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Is faith in Christ required?

Is baptism required?

Is the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost required?

Is obedience to the commandments required?
05-26-2011, 06:51 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

Is faith in Christ required?

Is baptism required?

Is the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost required?

Is obedience to the commandments required?

What do you not understand about following the Spirit? You remind me of the Pharisees--how many steps can one walk and the Sabbath? Who is my neighbor? Can a man re-enter his mother's womb? Do I give to God or to Ceasar? All of these questions apply to those who do not know what it means to follow the Spirit.
05-26-2011, 06:55 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

What do you not understand about following the Spirit?

I follow the spirit and the only thing required to be Christian is to be regenerated and have faith in Christ. Am I wrong? Is anything else required?
05-26-2011, 07:01 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

I follow the spirit and the only thing required to be Christian is to be regenerated and have faith in Christ. Am I wrong? Is anything else required?

You say you follow the spirit. That is the point. Let me give to you this parable again:

Matthew 21: 28-31 But what think ye? A [certain] man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I [go], sir: and went not. Whether of them twain did the will of [his] father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

I have said it before and I will say it again, you have not convinced me that you are Christian by your at***udes and behaviors here in this forum. You can say you are all you want, I just don't see it. (Other "Christians" here, yes---you, no.)
05-26-2011, 07:05 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

I have said it before and I will say it again, you have not convinced me that you are Christian by your at***udes and behaviors here in this forum.

This is the whole point of this thread BigJ.

What are the requirements to be a Christian? BTW how many times do I have to ask you before you give me a real answer?
05-26-2011, 07:07 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

This is the whole point of this thread BigJ.

What are the requirements to be a Christian? BTW how many times do I have to ask you before you give me a real answer?

I have given you the answer 3 times now. Oh--so you want "the real answer"---please, by all means, tell me what it is since you seem to think you know.
05-26-2011, 07:15 PM
BigJulie

Let me see if I can make this more clear. :)

Christ taught:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

So, my answer to the requirements question: A person who follows the SPIRIT of Christ is a Christian. Those who do not, are not.

Just so I make myself really clear...

"He that doeth the will of my Father" = "A person who follows the SPIRIT."

or said another way:

"He that doeth the will of my Father" equals, is the same as "A person who follows the SPIRIT."
05-26-2011, 07:16 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

I have given you the answer 3 times now. Oh--so you want "the real answer"---please, by all means, tell me what it is since you seem to think you know.

The spirit testifies to me through his word that we are saved by faith in Christ. I have faith in Christ and have been regenerated. Does this make me a Christian or are other things required?
05-26-2011, 07:18 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

So requirements for being a Christian include obedience to the commandments?

Anything else?
05-26-2011, 07:21 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

The spirit testifies to me through his word that we are saved by faith in Christ. I have faith in Christ and have been regenerated. Does this make me a Christian or are other things required?

Once again...Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

So, no, I am not convinced that you have been "regenerated". Sorry.
05-26-2011, 07:22 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

So requirements for being a Christian include obedience to the commandments?

Anything else?

Well, seeing as these are the words of Christ that you do this if you love Him, maybe you need to talk to Him. :D:D

It is also interesting to note that you got "requirements for being a Christian include obedience to the commandments" from this: Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Okay, Billyray--you need to obey the commandments to be a Christian--according to your understanding of Matt 7:21. You understanding of "doing the will of the Father" must be the same as "obedience to the commandments...if that right? :)
05-26-2011, 07:25 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

So, no, I am not convinced that you have been "regenerated". Sorry.

So faith in Christ is not enough to make me a Christian? I understand that you don't believe that. What else is required?
05-26-2011, 07:27 PM
Billyray

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Originally Posted by BigJulie

Well, seeing as these are the words of Christ that you do this if you love Him, maybe you need to talk to Him.

Are obedience to the commandment a requirement for being a Christian?
05-26-2011, 07:28 PM
BigJulie

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Originally Posted by Billyray

Are obedience to the commandment a requirement for being a Christian?

That seems to be the way you intrepret the scripture...I will repeat:

It is also interesting to note that you got "requirements for being a Christian include obedience to the commandments" from this: Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Okay, Billyray--you need to obey the commandments to be a Christian--according to your understanding of Matt 7:21. You understanding of "doing the will of the Father" must be the same as "obedience to the commandments...if that right?

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