Faith vs Works for Salvation

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Originally Posted by dberrie2000

James--you connect works with salvation here. Can we not be His--and still be saved?

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I guess I do in that if WE SAY WE ARE SAVED but there in no love in us for the Poor, if we make those who are rich of more importantance to us than the poor. We actually have no faith in God.. Through our acts toward the poor and our preferential treatment of the rich we reveal to each other whether or not our faith is just something we say or something be believe (James 2:18).. IHS jim

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Originally Posted by dberrie2000

I don't believe salvation is either by faith or by works. I believe it is by God's grace--which the scriptures show goes to those who obey Him:


Hebrews 5:9----King James Version (KJV)


9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

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If that is the last word. We can ONLY be saved by obeying Him then we are all ****ed.. Nit one of us have been obedient. He commanded that we be perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect.. How is that coming along for you? You aren't OBEYING HIM. Therefore you can never have eternal salvation! But if you would believe in Him.. Not just say you believe but really believe He would take your sin and give you His righteousness. (2 Cor 5:21).. Jesus OBEYED HIM 100%.. IHS jim

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Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View PostI don't believe salvation is either by faith or by works. I believe it is by God's grace--which the scriptures show goes to those who obey Him:

Hebrews 5:9----King James Version (KJV)
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

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Originally Posted by James Banta

If that is the last word. We can ONLY be saved by obeying Him then we are all ****ed..

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Really? How does one collate that with the testimony of the scriptures?

Revelation 22:14---King James Version (KJV)
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city

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Originally Posted by Billyray

It you are not trying to be deceptive then you should have no trouble answering my question. Here it is again for you.

Ephesians 2
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

What do these verses say about works contributing to our salvation?

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Billy is correct here.
Works do not add anything to the salvation of man, but rather works show that salvation has happend.
For works come with faithk, but we are saved by Grace though faith and not by works...