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Ok, so God the Father was once a man… yes, nrajeffreturns??
Just like His Son, according to the Bible. Jesus was once mortal, but is now immortal, & glorified. How does that help you support your claim that Joseph Smith taught that by having multiple wives, he was doing the same thing God, as an exalted man, had done?
You know the answer: IT DOESN'T.
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nrajeffreturns: Who are these "same as those who have gone before" Joseph is referencing here?
They are other beings who started out as mortals, but who inherited eternal life and thus were deified.
But how does that help you support your claim that Joseph Smith taught that by having multiple wives, he was doing the same thing God, as an exalted man, had done?
You know the answer: IT DOESN'T.
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Brigham Young taught it as well, and where did he get the idea from?
He had his own thoughts and ideas and opinions. Using your logic, the stuff Isaiah taught had to also be the stuff that Moses taught, because, well, if he didn't get it Moses, then where did he get his ideas from?
nrajeffreturns: How are you with Milton R. Hunter?
I like him. I agree with some of his scholarship. I have at least one copy of the book you're about to cite. But how does M. Hunter's statement help you support your claim that Joseph Smith taught that by having multiple wives, he was doing the same thing God, as an exalted man, had done?
You know the answer: IT DOESN'T.
"The principal purpose of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the ultimate goal of eternal progression is to receive eternal life, i.e., to become as God is. It is thoroughly understood, however, that a vast majority of the human family will never become gods, because to do so they must accept the true gospel, receive all of the ordinances-including celestial marriage-and obey all of God's commandments faithfully to the end," (Milton R. Hunter, Christ in Ancient America, p.168).
Celestial marriage is marriage that lasts beyond death. It's not necessarily POLYGAMY. My wife and I were married under the ordinance of celestial marriage, where if we are both faithful to Christ's commandments, we stay married even after we die. No one said "Oh, you also have to be polygamists, too."
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If Joseph DID this you don't think he taught it by example??
How does that help you support your claim that Joseph Smith taught that by having multiple wives, he was doing the same thing God, as an exalted man, had done?
You know the answer: IT DOESN'T.
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nrajeffreturns- Why would Brigham practice polygamy if Joseph ever retracted it or never taught it?
Only 20% of LDS men ever had multiple wives. Joseph Smith never taught that everyone was required to be polygamists. But that is irrelevant to your problem, because what you're supposed to be proving is that Joseph Smith taught that by having multiple wives, he was doing the same thing God, as an exalted man, had done, and are you proving that?
You know the answer: No.
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Was Brigham Young a "loose cannon" as well?
Most people think he was occasionally, as do I. He was free to express his opinion on any number of issues, such as whether the Sun is inhabited.
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Did he just come up with this idea on his own then?
Wait, you're getting ahead of yourself. Have you shown that Brigham Young taught that by having multiple wives, he was doing the same thing God, as an exalted man, had done?
You know the answer.
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Historical evidence (historical writings) show JS as being a polygamist, even Emma being upset about it and God threatening to "destroy her" if she did not accept it.
Yes, so what?
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We have a list of concubines.
We do? Who are these concubines?
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We have other apostles in the LDS church teaching it or practicing it. We have splinter groups we still see today following more closely what Joseph Smith DID than the LDS church does.
You have those people teaching that by having multiple wives, they are doing the same thing God, as an exalted man, had done?
When do you plan to provide the quotes to support that claim?
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I don't see how you can honestly or logically deny this, nrajeffreturns.
I do so quite easily, since you have yet to provide any real evidence that supports your actual claim.