Babies are not sinners but they are born with a sin nature, How can you say as a child gets older God overlooks his sins? What do you do with the "age of accountability?
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Babies are not sinners but they are born with a sin nature, How can you say as a child gets older God overlooks his sins? What do you do with the "age of accountability?
Footnotes in KJV Bible says concerning Romans 7:9
"I was alive without the law once": the There was a time when Paul lived a complacent life, insensitive to the demands of the law. Paul said "I died," meaning he understood the law to realize that he was accused, guilty and marked for death.
The footnote is wrong.Quote:
Footnotes in KJV Bible says concerning Romans 7:9
"I was alive without the law once": the There was a time when Paul lived a complacent life, insensitive to the demands of the law. Paul said "I died," meaning he understood the law to realize that he was accused, guilty and marked for death.
The real idea that Paul is talking about is that when he was not yet of age he was not guilty of sin.
God overlooks our sins when we are unable yet to understand the full implications of our thoughts and deeds.Quote:
But as we grow older we are tasked with more and more responsibility.
When I was a child I thought as a child,
But when I became older I put away the childish things.
When I was a child I was only ready to drink milk.
But as I grew older I became able to eat meat.
There was nothing wrong at the time with only drinking milk, but there would be something wrong now if i continued to only drink milk when I am now able to eat meat.
So in the same way, when I was a child my Father in Heaven as well as my Father here on earth both tasked me according to what they knew I was mature enough to accomplish.
As a child I was given tasks that I always was able to perform.
But as I grew older I was then tasked with new things, different than the things I was asked to perform before...
So first i was only allowed to pull weeds, but later i was given the *** of mowing the yard.
In the beginning I was not held accountable for my sins before God, but later I was tasked with the responsibility of understanding the truth about my actions and to respond to the Good News of the blood of Christ and its power to clean my sins away.
I disagree with this completely.Quote:
Paul said, "When the commandment came, (God's law) sin revived." He did not say, "Sin came." You can't revive something that doesn't already exist. The sin nature already exists in every human at birth. Although we are born with a sin nature, God does not impute sin unto the baby or very little child until the time that they knowingly violate God's Law.
its like this...
When Adam was made, we cant say that he was made with a 'sin nature"...
Just as Adam was not made with a sin nature, so too I was not made with a sin nature.
But both Adam and myself are made of flesh.....and the flesh is weak and subject to doing things that are evil.
Now when Adam sinned, we cant say that he sinned because sin was already inside him when he was created, as that would make God the original cause of sin and it's true Maker.
But we can say that when the Law came into Adam's life, then and only then did sin "SPRING TO LIFE" in his heart.
Its the same way with all us who are the children of Adam too.
Sin "springs to life" inside our hearts and we die.
Adam and his children are not created with little "seeds" of sin inside us, rather what happens is that temptation enters our hearts and we respond in a wrong manner to the temptation and this leads us to sin....
So while all are tempted from time to time, not all temptation leads to sin.
Romans 7:9
Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.
Just to clarify what Mormons believe.
1. All are fallen and in need of a Savior.
2. Because the Savior atoned for the sins of the world, everyone is born with the atonement covering the fall. Therefore, we are only responsible for our own sins and not Adams.
3. As Jesus Christ atoned for all, it is his decision when we become accountable for our sins (rather than our parents being accountable, such as with Adam.) He has chosen the age of 8.
From the Book of Mormon:
"And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins. But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism....
For awful is the wickedness to suppose that God saveth one child because of baptism, and the other must perish because he hath no baptism....
And I am filled with charity, which is everlasting love; wherefore, all children are alike unto me; wherefore, I love little children with a perfect love; and they are all alike and partakers of salvation. For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity. Little children cannot repent; wherefore, it is awful wickedness to deny the pure mercies of God unto them, for they are all alive in him because of his mercy."
My argument totally ****s away all the talk about little kids being born sinners...Quote:
God overlooks our sins when we are unable yet to understand the full implications of our thoughts and deeds.
But as we grow older we are tasked with more and more responsibility.
When I was a child I thought as a child,
But when I became older I put away the childish things.
When I was a child I was only ready to drink milk.
But as I grew older I became able to eat meat.
There was nothing wrong at the time with only drinking milk, but there would be something wrong now if i continued to only drink milk when I am now able to eat meat.
So in the same way, when I was a child my Father in Heaven as well as my Father here on earth both tasked me according to what they knew I was mature enough to accomplish.
As a child I was given tasks that I always was able to perform.
But as I grew older I was then tasked with new things, different than the things I was asked to perform before...
So first i was only allowed to pull weeds, but later i was given the *** of mowing the yard.
In the beginning I was not held accountable for my sins before God, but later I was tasked with the responsibility of understanding the truth about my actions and to respond to the Good News of the blood of Christ and its power to clean my sins away.
a perfect way to understand this issue...Quote:
I disagree with this completely.
its like this...
When Adam was made, we cant say that he was made with a 'sin nature"...
Just as Adam was not made with a sin nature, so too I was not made with a sin nature.
But both Adam and myself are made of flesh.....and the flesh is weak and subject to doing things that are evil.
Now when Adam sinned, we cant say that he sinned because sin was already inside him when he was created, as that would make God the original cause of sin and it's true Maker.
But we can say that when the Law came into Adam's life, then and only then did sin "SPRING TO LIFE" in his heart.
Its the same way with all us who are the children of Adam too.
Sin "springs to life" inside our hearts and we die.
Adam and his children are not created with little "seeds" of sin inside us, rather what happens is that temptation enters our hearts and we respond in a wrong manner to the temptation and this leads us to sin....
So while all are tempted from time to time, not all temptation leads to sin.