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alanmolstad
James compares and contrasts the Lord to the "shifting shadows"
the shadows are caused by what again?...oh yes, the SUN!
The sun is a creation of who again?......oh yes, the LORD!
Pure conjecture. Good night, James isn't comparing anything! James is describing what comes from the Lord, not setting up contrast. Back to the verse:
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V17 “Every good thing given, , is from above, coming down from the Father”
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While I don't think James had the story of Genesis in mind when he wrote this section of his letter, it still does relate to the universe that God made that he declared to be "Good" in Genesis.
That’s because me as the evolutionist can’t understand things continue just as God intended.
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What James is pointing out to us is that while humans tend to be fickle and our hearts are always changing,
Humans, or the children of God?
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“be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness” (II Peter 3:17)
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This is the idea behind what James says about the lord being NOT LIKE "shifting shadows"
Half right, because me as the evolutionist doesn’t want to be reminded that “every good thing given” just as the Lord understood the fig tree to be under creation that day – as it was intended – unchanged from the original design – creation - from God the Father - which remains intact and unchanged – took action because of that aberration from the original design. I do apologize for bringing that up again but I’m afraid it’s true; God’s design hasn't changed.
So what your trying to feed me here is God changes His mind on what He gives? But that’s what you’re saying. God doesn’t change but everything He creates He does change? See what I mean by unyielding? ‘God doesn’t change, but everything in His big bag of tricks He’s constantly fiddling with’? Preposterous!
Man is still created in the similitude of God (James 3:9), and dies, and another life comes into the world bearing what? Is “made after the similitude of God”, unchanged from the original intent of design clear down from His first created man. You say this has changed? No, I don’t think so. I think you will probably try to foster this idle notion on others too. All it is, is an unscriptural flaunt. But remember,
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“Love does not brag, it is not puffed up” (I Cor. 13:4)
But this most certainly is a brag Alan! When you say God is constantly fiddling with the original design of creation, you are inserting meaning. Unchanged? “Oh that only belongs to God”. True, He is unchanged, but v17 isn’t telling us things coming from Him are always different. V17 declares creation that continues to come from Him aren’t given to change. To say He is always diluting the original design is tampering with this verse.
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In other words, God is not like the creation he created and called "good"
So this points us to the understanding that even if the universe is subject to change and destruction, it still is called "Good" by the Lord.
So there is nothing at all that James has written here that runs counter to the teachings of Evolution.
In fact, the idea of evolution is kinda what James was pointing to with his use of the term, "shifting shadows"
Conjecture with a capitol C. The whole point was that everything coming from Him is without “shifting shadow”, not Him trying to - whatever you’re point is – trying to mix creation all up to make life interesting? Geesh, And I’m the one adding to scripture eh?
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“Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.” (James 1:17)
One thing that appears most convenient to your advantage is that you don’t want to address me specifically when I ask a specific question, , just a generalized response. I can only say it is generalized when you would rather not engage my terminology. For your answer doesn’t come very near at all at answering me regarding it.
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Post#85: Where does James say that the original design intents of God change?