Why do mormons think they are CHRISTIANS now?
In the early 1970's when I became a Christian, my mormon bishop friend told me "No WE ARE NOT Christians. . .We ARE MORMONS instead."
They do NOT RESEMBLE historical Christianity
they serve different gods
they have different leadership
they have different goals
they follow a 'new guy on the block' who INVENTED a bunch of dung.
So WHY would they consider themselves any more "Christian" than the other 'lds' groups (about 150 or so of them)? THEY TOO follow 'a' 'christ' just like the mormons do.
So WHY THE CHANGE in mormonism?
no resemblance to the original church, the one JESUS built.
erunder posted:
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Your personal faulty belief system is YOUR problem, not mine. In Truth, more than just my mormon bishop told me that. . .so did several OTHER mormon friends tell me that.
YOU appear to be the "wrong one" here.
I've seen no evidence of that.
Of course you don't. But if you took off your BLINDERS. . .
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IF mormonism is supposed to 'RESTORE' the original church, it should AT LEAST RESEMBLE the original church. It doesn't.
Of course it does.
So WHERE IN THE ORIGINAL CHURCH DID
they believe in MULTIPLE GODS?
they believe YOU could be 'exalted' into 'godhood?'
they believe in a jesus who was supposedly a demon brother of satan?
they believe in a god that used to be a man?
they believe they should be baptized for folks who had died?
they believe they should 'obey ordinances' to 'advance' themselves in the eyes of God?
they believe they could EVER lose their Gospel?
they believe the church could EVER be 'lost' or 'removed from the earth'
they believe that 'living mortal apostles' would EVER continue to lead the church?
etc
etc
ad nausium
NO, the mormon religion is a NEW religion that started less than 200 years ago, INVENTED by joe smith.
NO,
I don't claim anything for other churches. But if they believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, then they are Christian, by definition.
Even those of you who believe in a FALSE jesus christ, a demon 'spirit-brother' of satan?
WHADDA JOKE!!!!!
Again every mormon claim refuted.
erunder posted:
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So WHERE IN THE ORIGINAL CHURCH DID
they believe in MULTIPLE GODS?
They didn't, and neither do we.
So you DON'T BELIEVE that YOU can become a God (d&c 132), OR that your 'heavenly father' came from a long line of gods?
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they believe YOU could be 'exalted' into 'godhood?'
2 Peter 1:4
2 Peter 1:2-4
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
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Sorry bubba, but it says no such thing at all.
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they believe in a jesus who was supposedly a demon brother of satan?
They didn't, and neither do we.
NOW are you going to pretend that YOUR church doesn't tell you YOUR jesus and satan (a demon) are 'spirit brothers' of YOUR 'heavenly father?' Weren't they BOTH supposed to have originated as 'spirit babies' to him?
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they believe in a god that used to be a man?
1 Timothy 2:5
1 Tim 2:5
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
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Sorry bubba, but it does NOT SAY that God was ever a man. Your religion's 'heavenly father' pretends to be an 'exalted man.' THAT p***age says no such thing.
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they believe they should be baptized for folks who had died?
1 Corinthians 15:29
Which like your other p***ages, says NO SUCH THING.
1 Cor 15:29-30
29 Otherwise, what will they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? Why then are they baptized for the dead?
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IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ THE P***AGE AND ITS CONTEXT you would find that the ones being baptized are UNBELIEVERS who DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS WAS RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD. It was NOT the CHRISTIANS who were being baptized for the dead.
Your p***age betrays your religion's stupid theory.
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they believe they should 'obey ordinances' to 'advance' themselves in the eyes of God?
1 Corinthians 11:2
1 Cor 11:2-3
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.
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As with the rest of your 'proof-texts' it DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU CLAIM. There is a difference between 'traditions' and 'ordinances' (or rules) that supposedly 'advance' you in the eyes of your false god.
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they believe they could EVER lose their Gospel?
1 Timothy 4:1
Which (again) SAYS NO SUCH THING. MORMONS have their 'departed from THEIR RELIGION' folks (150+ groups of them. . .want me to post the list again?) Does that mean the utah group 'lost ITS 'gospel?''
1 Tim 4:1-3
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
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Let's see now. . .people leave the MORMON religion daily. Do you REALLY want to pretend your religion 'lost its gospel' because of that?
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they believe the church could EVER be 'lost' or 'removed from the earth'
2 Thessalonians 2:3
2 Thess 2:1-4
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
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Which ONCE AGAIN SAYS NO SUCH THING. Groups have fallen away from the beginning. Just because bringum young took a group of joe smith's religious followers west does not mean that joe smith's religion was 'lost' or 'removed from the earth' does it?
Sorry, but your religion's 'logic' fails you. . .AGAIN. The p***age does NOT SAY what you want it to say.
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they believe that 'living mortal apostles' would EVER continue to lead the church?
Acts 1:26
Acts 1:20-26
'Let his dwelling place be desolate,
And let no one live in it';
and,
'Let another take his office.'
21 "Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection."
23 And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, "You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen 25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place." 26 And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
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And AGAIN IT DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOUR RELIGION TELLS YOU. It does not say ONE THING about 'live, mortal apostles (Paul became #13 btw) in every generation.
YOUR P***AGE FAILS YOU AGAIN.
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Even those of you who believe in a FALSE jesus christ, a demon 'spirit-brother' of satan?
You're the only one I know who believes that.
You DON'T BELIEVE YOUR RELIGION'S TEACHING that your 'jesus' and 'satan' were both 'spirit babies' fathered by the same 'heavenly father?'
NOW THAT IS INTERESTING.
