Clearly, Jade's "question" was only to preach not to learn or even consider Trinitari
...an theology...
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jade84116
Malachi 2:10 and 15, KJV, states: "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?...And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth." That means that "one God" plus "one [wife]" equals one being or person only or the ****ogy makes no sense. Isaiah 44:24 had to be viewed by the absolutely monotheistic Jews that believed in one divine being or person only during Old Testament times (see "Trinity" entry at JewishEncyclopedia.com for more details) as meaning only one divine being or person created. Interpreting Isaiah 44:24 otherwise divorces it from it's historical context and that takes it out of context. You're free to your view though.
Isaiah 44:24 is the indication that one person in the Godhead created. Colossians 1:13-18 clearly teach that one person was the Word (John 1:1-3, 14) and not the Father (whose only creation, only begetting was the body of the incarnation John 1:14) nor the Holy Spirit. So of the three persons in the Godhead, the Word alone is Creator.
I'm Right and You Know It!!!!!!
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johnd
No creed takes authority over holy scripture. :D
Agreed. However, even you have to admit that as a practical matter trinitarians give those creeds equal status with the scripture while denying that they do. This being a spill over from Catholicism's putting tradition, creeds, and the church over scripture. If you were truly honest, then, you'd have to admit that I'm right on this one point.:)
Here's how "alone" is meant in Isaiah 44:24
God the Word (John 1:1-3) created.
God the Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21) wrote the Bible.
God the Father (Hebrews 10:5-7, John 1:14) created the incarnate body of the Son .
Each did did their unique mission uniquely. This however does not imply absolute aloneness. It means each was the only one who performed the specific function. Height is not depth nor length which does not negate the other two. In fact without all three none can exist.
Another Fallacious Question
It amazes me regarding the lack of ability Christians have in defending and understanding this basic doctrine. If one denies this doctrine, they are NOT a Christian by definition.
All those examples of the Trinity are all false ****ogies.
1) Water, solid, liquid, gas
2) Eggs,
3) The Senate
etc.
They are ridiculous since they give a false rendering. The issue regarding the economical Trinity and the Ontological Trinity is misconstrued.
1+1+1=3. So this appears to be a contradiction. However:
1x1x1=1.
We need to increase the quality of our math.
Do not answer a fool according to his folly. AND answer a fool according to his folly. Ridiculous.
Since we are finite, and the Trinity is Infinite and Eternal, then a finite cannot comprehend an infinite. Only on those issues in which the Infinite allows us to know via the opening of our minds (see John 20:25).
If the Infinite Personage never opens our minds, we KNOW nothing. (1 Cor 1:14-16
But in terms of logic, there is no contradiction. The 3 persons in one nature is perfectly logical since the proposition in the thesis of the Trinity does not contradict.
If we were to say the Trinity is one nature and three natures, that would be a contradiction since we are saying two opposing things within the same category of nature. Or if the Trinity has 3 persons and 1 person. However, since person and nature are in two different categories of thought, no contradiction is given within the proposition of the Trinity as a first principle.
And Van Til starts with the Trinity for all other arguments.
This is why Robert Bowman Jr. lost the debate against the oneness Pentecostal some 15 years ago. He first was arguing FOR the Trinity, and not FROM the Trinity. And 2nd, he was not understanding the difference between the ontological and economical differences within.
This is important.
I would hope many more Christians would wake up, and stop watching as much Television. Learn a little theology. If nothing else, at least the Trinity. It's the core of all other doctrines.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
Just found this obituary on my Kindergarten teacher. Wow.
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Ruby Maggard, a dedicated Christian educator, died on February 4, 2010 after a long illness. She was born in Lothair, Kentucky (Perry County) on December 5, 1926. Family, friends, medical staff, and Hospice professionals ministered to her in a comp***ionate manner.
Miss Maggard became a Christian at a young age and served the Lord faithfully throughout her life. After graduating from Eastern Kentucky University and pursuing graduate studies at Cincinnati Christian University, she taught at Mountain Mission School, a home for seriously disadvantaged Appalachian youth located in Grundy, Virginia.
While teaching in Virginia, Ruby was introduced to the Sunset Beach Christian School in Haleiwa, Hawaii. After learning of the great need for Christ-centered education in Hawaii, she moved to the islands and served as a missionary teacher. Ruby continued her educational ministry by responding to an invitation to join the student life staff at Kentucky Christian University, Grayson, Kentucky. While serving at Kentucky Christian University, she also helped churches in the region develop Kindergarten programs and provided leadership for many different Vacation Bible School programs. During her time in Grayson, members of her immediate family developed serious health conditions and Ruby returned to Richmond to help care for their needs.
After returning home, she served as the founding teacher for the Gardenside Christian Church Kindergarten. For 32 years, Ruby challenged her Gardenside students to grow academically while teaching them about God’s Word and His creation. She was also a very active member of the Big Hill Avenue Christian Church in Richmond where she provided leadership in the areas of Sunday School, Junior Church, Vacation Bible School, and visits to the elderly.
For nearly 50 years, Ruby taught young people about God’s love and shared with them the Good News of Jesus Christ. As a Christian educator, it is very fitting that her educational ministry continues to demonstrate the power of multiplication. Ruby helped transform the lives of thousands of students through her teaching. Now, the thousands she instructed are positively impacting the lives of tens of thousands of others on behalf of Jesus Christ. The world is a much better place today because Ruby, a true servant leader, made herself available to be used by God.
Ruby, who was a member of the Richmond Community Christian Church, is survived by three siblings: Grace M. Bowles, Bruce Maggard, and Joyce M. Edwards; seven nieces, nine nephews, more than thirty great-nieces and –nephews, and more than ten great-great-nieces and -nephews. She was preceded in death by the following immediate family members: Father - Israel D. Maggard, Mother - Martha M. Maggard, Brother - Ivan “Buster” Maggard, Sister - Loyce M. Dundon, Brother - Herman Maggard, and Sister - Bessie M. Jackson.
The funeral service will be conducted at 11:00 a.m., on Monday, February 8th at the Oldham, Roberts & Powell Funeral Home, 1110 Barnes Mill Road in Richmond, Kentucky. Burial will follow in the Richmond Cemetery. Visitation will be 2-6 p.m. on Sunday, February 7th at Oldham, Roberts & Powell Funeral Home. Memorial contributions are suggested to the Hospice Comp***ionate Care Center, 350 Isaacs Lane, Richmond, KY 40475 or the Richmond Community Christian Church, 230 Boggs Lane, Richmond, KY 40475.
This is what I sent to the site that has her obituary:
In 1966, Miss Maggard was simply a beautiful, Godly Christian lady who was my kindergarten teacher. It was in her cl***room one day after cl*** waiting for Mother to pick me up that I was born again. I always knew how special Miss Maggard was to me. Not until after her death did I learn just how special she is to many many others (and to the Lord).