What should I conclude about what a Spirit is?
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James Banta
Yes indeed I made some terrible ***umptions.. Like God is intelligent..
The word ***ume was your word. And so was the modifier terrible.
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James Banta
Then I hold a verse of the Bible up for examination that God is Spirit (John 4:24)..
Which tells us what God is but does nothing for our understanding of what Spirit is, according to the Bible.
If you try to define salt as salty, you have said nothing. Your definition does not help us understand what salt is. And the verse you refer to does not help us understand what Spirit is. And until it does, it doesn't help you understand God either.
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James Banta
Then I tell you what Jesus said a Spirit isn't (Luke 24:39).
Yes, and this is exactly what I asked you not to tell me. Spirit isn't a lot of things and none of them help us to understand what Spirit is.
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James Banta
That information should help you see that a Spirit is..
So far you are batting a big fat zero. Nothing of what you have said in this post or in the previous one helps us to understand what Spirit is.
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James Banta
I will add one more, a spirit is invisible, for God is Spirit and is called invisible (Col 2:15)..
Again, you are ***uming that a spirit is invisible just because you make a connection between what Christ said and what Paul said. It could also be that God is invisible for some other reason and not because he is Spirit as you claim.
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James Banta
If God had a body as tangible as man's (D&C 130:22) it would be visible..
So you ***ume.
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James Banta
That is proof right there that Smith was a false prophet, for he again spoke in the name of some other God, other than the one revealed by the Bible.. A SPIRIT is not flesh..
And you haven't shown what Spirit is and so have come to a false conclusion based on your own ***umptions and conclusions that are not warranted until you can show us what Spirit really is.
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James Banta
But of course none of this will be on subject to you.. You never see any real answer as being on the subject you try to twist to fit into mormonism..
I haven't said anything about Mormonism. You brought that up. I am asking for a Biblical definition of what Spirit is. So far, you have nothing. Speculation, and stating your ***umptions as fact is not a Biblical definition.
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James Banta
The mormon concept of God is flawed..
It is different from yours, but you have not established that it is flawed. You are expecting us to accept your statement of opinion as fact. Sorry, won't do that. And won't let you get away with it.
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James Banta
Smith said that God having a Spirit meets the requirement for the verse about God being Spirit..
CFR
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James Banta
But Jesus did say that a spirit doesn't have flesh and bone..
Christ was addressing the fears of the apostles and not trying to give them more information about God. You can't really use this verse the way you think you can. To do so is to rip it from context. It was about the apostles fears not about God. And if you believe in only one God, the fact that Christ had a resurrected body shows that God is not simply Spirit.
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James Banta
So Smith's and therefore mormonism's idea of what a spirit will include is WRONG..
You have to show us a Biblical definition of what Spirit is before you can make this statement true. So far you haven't.
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James Banta
He didn't lie this time, he just didn't know what he was talking about.. IHS jim
You conclusion is not warranted based on what you have presented here.
So far, no one has been able to present any Biblical definition of what a Spirit is. What should I conclude about what a Spirit is?
Marvin