Another CARM reject...

Hello all... After the recurring week on week off banishments of CARM, I looked back on the "infractions" and there was not a one I would have changed or worded any differently... It's come down to the more honest I am, the more probably I'll get in trouble for it, and that is enough... I finally told them to close my account... The explosive and hysterical fallout of this election was ridiculous... So, thanks to KOGSEEKER and sonofmysoul who invited me over, I'm glad to have the chance to meet you... (and remeet some familiar 'faces')...

I look forward to some edifying discussions and praise and the mutual search for the truth, which after all must come before anything else even starts to makes sense...

(((Awediot))) Its certainly good to have ya. As a reject myself, i know exactly how ya feel. I think being banned for a month for speaking the truth is well, lets just say I've been sincerly praying for the leadership over there. People are going to always have their difference but as christians it should always be handled in a respectful manner. I'll be seeing ya around!!

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Originally Posted by awediot

Hello all... After the recurring week on week off banishments of CARM, I looked back on the "infractions" and there was not a one I would have changed or worded any differently... It's come down to the more honest I am, the more probably I'll get in trouble for it, and that is enough... I finally told them to close my account... The explosive and hysterical fallout of this election was ridiculous... So, thanks to KOGSEEKER and sonofmysoul who invited me over, I'm glad to have the chance to meet you... (and remeet some familiar 'faces')...

I look forward to some edifying discussions and praise and the mutual search for the truth, which after all must come before anything else even starts to makes sense...

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Loving & welcoming you, awed......you are, even i admit, brutally honest- a characteristic that is rare, and one that i value in a friend.

ys,
bmd.

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Originally Posted by awediot

Hello all... After the recurring week on week off banishments of CARM, I looked back on the "infractions" and there was not a one I would have changed or worded any differently... It's come down to the more honest I am, the more probably I'll get in trouble for it, and that is enough... I finally told them to close my account... The explosive and hysterical fallout of this election was ridiculous... So, thanks to KOGSEEKER and sonofmysoul who invited me over, I'm glad to have the chance to meet you... (and remeet some familiar 'faces')...

I look forward to some edifying discussions and praise and the mutual search for the truth, which after all must come before anything else even starts to makes sense...

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G'day, bro ...

Nice to have you with us, man. :) I hope this place proves to be more beneficial than not.

James

hello dish!
whoo hooo!:D
looking forward to many more challenging and enlightening discussions.
love,
your sis,
soms (and that is sUnofmysoul bubs):)

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Originally Posted by sunofmysoul

soms (and that is sUnofmysoul bubs):)

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Now, how's that for technicality to a fault?? (i taught 'er everything she knows :p)......

ys,
bmd.

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Originally Posted by bhuvana-mohan dasa

(i taught 'er everything she knows :p)......

ys,
bmd.

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And im next in line :D

Awe!! Welcome! Very nice to see you here! :)

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Originally Posted by Kogseeker

And im next in line :D

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Who could ask more than that (??) :)

ys,
bmd,

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Originally Posted by awediot

Hello all... After the recurring week on week off banishments of CARM, I looked back on the "infractions" and there was not a one I would have changed or worded any differently... It's come down to the more honest I am, the more probably I'll get in trouble for it, and that is enough... I finally told them to close my account... The explosive and hysterical fallout of this election was ridiculous... So, thanks to KOGSEEKER and sonofmysoul who invited me over, I'm glad to have the chance to meet you... (and remeet some familiar 'faces')...

I look forward to some edifying discussions and praise and the mutual search for the truth, which after all must come before anything else even starts to makes sense...

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Welcome, Awe. :) Glad you found your way here. Feel free to be honest--all we ask is that everyone remain respectful.

I guess I am a reject too.. i just got suspended by saying how i think peopel are unfair and so i got suspended. but i get tired of people dissing other people, and i knew i prolly would have to pay, buti had to say it.

I found you all by awediot :)

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Originally Posted by Mary T

I guess I am a reject too.. i just got suspended by saying how i think peopel are unfair and so i got suspended. but i get tired of people dissing other people, and i knew i prolly would have to pay, buti had to say it.

I found you all by awediot :)

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Is this carmmary? If so, I was wondering how YOU got suspended. Seriously, I've never seen you post anything offensive. What happened?

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Originally Posted by Kogseeker

Is this carmmary? If so, I was wondering how YOU got suspended. Seriously, I've never seen you post anything offensive. What happened?

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yeah its me! I was on the SET Board sticking up for Obama and other places sticking up for the underdog, the atheists, the gay people, and just plain ol common sense. and I stepped on someones toes. she was calling Obama a baby killer,, she was doing much other fear mongering. I was trying to be the voice of reason and even defend her to someone and saying lets pray for her and i was defending her and concerned about her.. so i try to calm her down and try to let her see things more reasonable, and i think i stepped on her anti-abortion toes, so I am suspended.

but i had to say what i said I also have been putting up topics about too much attacking going on, so maybe that also did it too.

I personaly refuse to jump on the bandwagon and hate groups of people that some christians feel i ought to hate.. if you read any of my recent posts, you can see that im beginning to get very aggravated at religous people who act unloving. Im actually today feeling like just about ready to quit chirsitanity, seems the ones who have hurt me the most this past 6 months were christians.

so the ban is off Monday noon, to be honest, im honestly very miffed at christianity in general,, but i had to go thru a lot of bad feelings today after feeling like after defending people i get suspended. ok so maybe im not the best chrisitian myself. im about to throw in the towel and quit.

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Originally Posted by Mary T

yeah its me! I was on the SET Board sticking up for Obama and other places sticking up for the underdog, the atheists, the gay people, and just plain ol common sense. and I stepped on someones toes. she was calling Obama a baby killer,, she was doing much other fear mongering. I was trying to be the voice of reason and even defend her to someone and saying lets pray for her and i was defending her and concerned about her.. so i try to calm her down and try to let her see things more reasonable, and i think i stepped on her anti-abortion toes, so I am suspended.

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Im really curious as to which one that was?! Must'of been CD I bet!!

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Originally Posted by Mary T

I personaly refuse to jump on the bandwagon and hate groups of people that some christians feel i ought to hate.

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Good

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Originally Posted by Mary T

so the ban is off Monday noon, to be honest, im honestly very miffed at christianity in general,, but i had to go thru a lot of bad feelings today after feeling like after defending people i get suspended. ok so maybe im not the best chrisitian myself. im about to throw in the towel and quit.

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I totally understand whatcha saying. There's alot of christians that feel the way you do about the "nasty" christians over there, but you cannot let them rob you of your relationship w/ Jesus. Throwing in the towel is not the answer. And if it gets too ya that bad, maybe its best for you not to post over there anymore. You seem really sensitive, I'm concerned for you.

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Originally Posted by Mary T

yeah its me! I was on the SET Board sticking up for Obama and other places sticking up for the underdog, the atheists, the gay people, and just plain ol common sense. and I stepped on someones toes. she was calling Obama a baby killer,, she was doing much other fear mongering. I was trying to be the voice of reason and even defend her to someone and saying lets pray for her and i was defending her and concerned about her.. so i try to calm her down and try to let her see things more reasonable, and i think i stepped on her anti-abortion toes, so I am suspended.

but i had to say what i said I also have been putting up topics about too much attacking going on, so maybe that also did it too.

I personaly refuse to jump on the bandwagon and hate groups of people that some christians feel i ought to hate.. if you read any of my recent posts, you can see that im beginning to get very aggravated at religous people who act unloving. Im actually today feeling like just about ready to quit chirsitanity, seems the ones who have hurt me the most this past 6 months were christians.

so the ban is off Monday noon, to be honest, im honestly very miffed at christianity in general,, but i had to go thru a lot of bad feelings today after feeling like after defending people i get suspended. ok so maybe im not the best chrisitian myself. im about to throw in the towel and quit.

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unChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks about Christianity... and Why It Matters
by David Kinnaman, Gabe Lyons

http://www.amazon.com/unChristian-Ge...2772068&sr=8-1

Review by Daniel B. Clendenin

"In his book The Heart of Christianity (2003) Marcus Borg of Oregon State University describes how his university students have a uniformly negative image of Christianity. "When I ask them to write a short essay on their impression of Christianity," says Borg, "they consistently use five adjectives: Christians are literalistic, anti-intellectual, self-righteous, judgmental, and bigoted."

Christians might object, rather defensively, that it's unfair to draw sweeping conclusions based upon the report of one person. If you think that way, you'd be right in your logic but wrong in your conclusion. A new book called unChristian (2007) by David Kinnaman of the Barna Group presents objective research that supports Borg's subjective anecdote. Kinnaman's three-year study documents how an overwhelming percentage of sixteen to twenty-nine year olds view Christians with hostility, resentment and disdain.

These broadly and deeply negative views of Christians aren't just superficial stereotypes with no basis in reality, says Kinnaman. Nor are the critics people who've had no contact with churches or Christians. It would be a tragic mistake, he argues, for believers to protest that outsider outrage at Christians is a misperception. Rather, it's based upon their real experiences with today's Christians. In addition to their statistical research, the book includes anecdotes from people who were interviewed, follow-on comments at the end of each chapter by some 30 Christian leaders, and reflections about why we've come to such a place and how we might make it better.

* anti****sexual 91%
* judgmental 87%
* hypocritical 85%
* old-fashioned 78%
* too political 75%
* out of touch with reality 72%
* insensitive to others 70%
* boring 68%

It would be hard to overestimate, says Kinnaman, "how firmly people reject-- and feel rejected by-- Christians" (19). Or think about it this way, he suggests: "When you introduce yourself as a Christian to a friend, neighbor, or business ***ociate who is an outsider, you might as well have it tattooed on your arm: anti****sexual, gay-hater, ****phobic. I doubt you think of yourself in these terms, but that's what outsiders think of you" (93).

Gabe Lyons of the Fermi Project who commissioned the Barna research remembers his first look at the data. "I'll never forget sitting in Starbucks, poring through the research results on my laptop. As I soaked it in, I glanced at the people around me and was overwhelmed with the thought that this is what they think of me. It was a sobering thought to know that if I had stood up and announced myself as a 'Christian' to the customers ***embled in Starbucks that day, they would have ***ociated me with every one of the negative perceptions described in this book" (222, his italics). Sad to say, Marcus Borg was even more right than he knew."

Trinity

Interesting information Trinity, thanks for sharing it.

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Originally Posted by Kogseeker

Im really curious as to which one that was?! Must'of been CD I bet!!

Good

I totally understand whatcha saying. There's alot of christians that feel the way you do about the "nasty" christians over there, but you cannot let them rob you of your relationship w/ Jesus. Throwing in the towel is not the answer. And if it gets too ya that bad, maybe its best for you not to post over there anymore. You seem really sensitive, I'm concerned for you.

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I am referring to the vice president of carm... but i was able to read the posts and i did see a topic about someone wanting to spew out lukewarm christians, LOL.... i sorta came here looking for awediot and i happened to find this place.. i never heard of it. i was looking at the topics and theres some that would be some new faces to me. I will try to hang in there as i have for the last six months :) I pretty much can take most things said in a chatroom, but i suppose this just got to me :) I'll be ok.

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Trinity[/QUOTE]

hi - oh wow! i read some of the reviews.. the 3rd review on Amazon there, wow, my sentiments exactly!

now if we are to turn lemons into lemonade, i can only guess that our experiences even if they cause us grief, can only add to our empathy for others that we might have treated badly if we had not known what its like.

some people forget the spirit of the law, but they can spout off a million bible verses. :( i dont wanna be like that.

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Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

Welcome to Walter Martin Ministeries Forum! :) This website is excellent! You will discover the spirit here is not the same as the other website. I am sorry to hear about your experience from the other website. Enjoy your time here.

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oh thank you! I promise i wont complain all the time! its just im explanaing my situation here, but I try to be upeat and encouraging most of the time :)

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Originally Posted by Mary T

I am referring to the vice president of carm... but i was able to read the posts and i did see a topic about someone wanting to spew out lukewarm christians, LOL.... i sorta came here looking for awediot and i happened to find this place.. i never heard of it. i was looking at the topics and theres some that would be some new faces to me. I will try to hang in there as i have for the last six months :) I pretty much can take most things said in a chatroom, but i suppose this just got to me :) I'll be ok.

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Walter Martin Ministries Forum was posted at the other discussion forum website, but someone removed the thread few hours later. Praise God! I saw the thread.

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Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

Walter Martin Ministries Forum was posted at the other discussion forum website, but someone removed the thread few hours later. Praise God! I saw the thread.

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How come? What were they objecting to?

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Originally Posted by Mary T

How come? What were they objecting to?

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I don't know the reasons why they removed the thread.

Walter Martin was a very well-known apologetic. Unfortunately, I don't know much about him, but I do know he was a strong believer in Jesus. He wanted to expose many false teachings to the public.

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Originally Posted by Mary T

yeah its me! I was on the SET Board sticking up for Obama and other places sticking up for the underdog, the atheists, the gay people, and just plain ol common sense. and I stepped on someones toes. she was calling Obama a baby killer,, she was doing much other fear mongering. I was trying to be the voice of reason and even defend her to someone and saying lets pray for her and i was defending her and concerned about her.. so i try to calm her down and try to let her see things more reasonable, and i think i stepped on her anti-abortion toes, so I am suspended.

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What is SET Board?

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Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

Walter Martin Ministries Forum was posted at the other discussion forum website, but someone removed the thread few hours later. Praise God! I saw the thread.

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Yea, thats how I heard about it.

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Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

I don't know the reasons why they removed the thread.

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A lil friendly compe***ion, maybe :D

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Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

What is SET Board?

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I think she meant the SEP board. Society, Ethics, Politics

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Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

What is SET Board?

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Society,Ethics and Politics forum.

Boy do I know where you are coming from- I am avoiding the same place for the same reasons.

Good to meet you! Sorry I never ran into you over there!

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Originally Posted by Trinity

unChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks about Christianity... and Why It Matters
by David Kinnaman, Gabe Lyons

http://www.amazon.com/unChristian-Ge...2772068&sr=8-1

Review by Daniel B. Clendenin

"In his book The Heart of Christianity (2003) Marcus Borg of Oregon State University describes how his university students have a uniformly negative image of Christianity. "When I ask them to write a short essay on their impression of Christianity," says Borg, "they consistently use five adjectives: Christians are literalistic, anti-intellectual, self-righteous, judgmental, and bigoted."

Christians might object, rather defensively, that it's unfair to draw sweeping conclusions based upon the report of one person. If you think that way, you'd be right in your logic but wrong in your conclusion. A new book called unChristian (2007) by David Kinnaman of the Barna Group presents objective research that supports Borg's subjective anecdote. Kinnaman's three-year study documents how an overwhelming percentage of sixteen to twenty-nine year olds view Christians with hostility, resentment and disdain.

These broadly and deeply negative views of Christians aren't just superficial stereotypes with no basis in reality, says Kinnaman. Nor are the critics people who've had no contact with churches or Christians. It would be a tragic mistake, he argues, for believers to protest that outsider outrage at Christians is a misperception. Rather, it's based upon their real experiences with today's Christians. In addition to their statistical research, the book includes anecdotes from people who were interviewed, follow-on comments at the end of each chapter by some 30 Christian leaders, and reflections about why we've come to such a place and how we might make it better.

* anti****sexual 91%
* judgmental 87%
* hypocritical 85%
* old-fashioned 78%
* too political 75%
* out of touch with reality 72%
* insensitive to others 70%
* boring 68%

It would be hard to overestimate, says Kinnaman, "how firmly people reject-- and feel rejected by-- Christians" (19). Or think about it this way, he suggests: "When you introduce yourself as a Christian to a friend, neighbor, or business ***ociate who is an outsider, you might as well have it tattooed on your arm: anti****sexual, gay-hater, ****phobic. I doubt you think of yourself in these terms, but that's what outsiders think of you" (93).

Gabe Lyons of the Fermi Project who commissioned the Barna research remembers his first look at the data. "I'll never forget sitting in Starbucks, poring through the research results on my laptop. As I soaked it in, I glanced at the people around me and was overwhelmed with the thought that this is what they think of me. It was a sobering thought to know that if I had stood up and announced myself as a 'Christian' to the customers ***embled in Starbucks that day, they would have ***ociated me with every one of the negative perceptions described in this book" (222, his italics). Sad to say, Marcus Borg was even more right than he knew."

Trinity

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Wow! i'd say thats dead on!!!

a question....do you think the way christians throw around...
"let me pray for you"....and pray for ball games....healing of illness...etc
can be a part of the growing "atheism" we see?
I have heard it mentioned several time by agnostic/atheist...
and have been pondering....it much....

with love,
somsy

Yes, I agree that some Christians get caught up in religious words and actions and forget the love that is supposed to be behind those words and actions. The media also has contributed a great deal to the negative stereotype of Christians by showing the lunatic fringe and rarely the truly loving Christians. It is sad, but these are the end times and Jesus did say that if people hated Him, they would hate us, too. :(

Welcome again to everyone here. We truly hope this is a place of fierce (and respectful) discussions :) --and a place of peace where friends can come and find love and support.

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Originally Posted by sunofmysoul

Wow! i'd say thats dead on!!!

a question....do you think the way christians throw around...
"let me pray for you"....and pray for ball games....healing of illness...etc
can be a part of the growing "atheism" we see?
I have heard it mentioned several time by agnostic/atheist...
and have been pondering....it much....

with love,
somsy

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it is interesting to see how people respond