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03-23-2017, 06:43 AM
disciple

Born Again reply

I have been trying to reply to DB in the topic Born Again and could not post so I am trying here.

Hi DB,

You are treating baptism as you treat good works, things that must be done in order to be saved. If you look at the following scripture (Luke 7:50) you will
see that neither baptism or works was mentioned by Jesus, because they become a natural part of the believers life. Think of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 when he asked to be baptized,” And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” Baptism is for believers but it does not save you, faith saves you.

Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.” Luke 7:50
And just what is this "faith" that saved this woman? What does "faith" really mean? Does "faith" mean becoming a member of a particular religion or religious sect? Does "faith" mean going to church, getting baptized or doing good works? Does "faith" mean saying "I am saved"? The word "faith" here has been translated from the Greek word pistis which means, "conviction of the truth of anything" and "the character of one who can be relied on." Jesus had not created any type of religious sect: He didn't erect temples or churches and did not put together an organization. Therefore his use of the word "faith" had nothing to do with joining any religion or sect or performing any specific rituals.
The "faith" that Jesus was referring to with this woman was her confidence that Jesus' teachings were true, and were coming from God. This is why the Bible tells us we are saved by faith, saved by the conviction and trust that the Gospel message is true and that God is willing and able to save us apart from our human effort.
03-24-2017, 04:50 AM
dberrie2000

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Originally Posted by disciple

I have been trying to reply to DB in the topic Born Again and could not post so I am trying here.

Hi DB,

You are treating baptism as you treat good works, things that must be done in order to be saved. If you look at the following scripture (Luke 7:50) you will
see that neither baptism or works was mentioned by Jesus, because they become a natural part of the believers life. Think of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 when he asked to be baptized,” And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” Baptism is for believers but it does not save you, faith saves you.

Morning, Disciple:

In the LDS church--neither faith nor works saves one--but the grace of God.

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Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.” Luke 7:50

1 Peter 3:20-21---King James Version (KJV)
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

1 Timothy 4:16--King James Version (KJV)
16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

1 Corinthians 9:22---King James Version (KJV)
22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

1 Corinthians 7:16---King James Version (KJV)
16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

Romans 11:14--King James Version (KJV)
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

1 Timothy 2:15---King James Version (KJV)
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Mark 16:16---King James Version (KJV)
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be ****ed.

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And just what is this "faith" that saved this woman? What does "faith" really mean?

James 2:20-26--King James Version (KJV)
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
03-24-2017, 05:06 AM
dberrie2000

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Originally Posted by disciple

Does "faith" mean becoming a member of a particular religion or religious sect?

Hi Disciple:

In the Biblical text--there was but one denomination--and it was founded upon the living, mortal apostles and prophets--Jesus Christ being the Chief Corner Stone:

Ephesians 2:20---King James Version (KJV)
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

And those repented and were water baptized, by those authorized of God to do so--were numbered with those of that denomination:

Acts 2:38-42--King James Version (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

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Does "faith" mean going to church, getting baptized or doing good works?

Of course it does.

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Does "faith" mean saying "I am saved"? The word "faith" here has been translated from the Greek word pistis which means, "conviction of the truth of anything" and "the character of one who can be relied on." Jesus had not created any type of religious sect: He didn't erect temples or churches and did not put together an organization. Therefore his use of the word "faith" had nothing to do with joining any religion or sect or performing any specific rituals.
The "faith" that Jesus was referring to with this woman was her confidence that Jesus' teachings were true, and were coming from God. This is why the Bible tells us we are saved by faith, saved by the conviction and trust that the Gospel message is true and that God is willing and able to save us apart from our human effort.

If the good works are apart from being saved--then why are all judged according to works--and that for life or ****ation?

John 5:28-29----King James Version (KJV)
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of ****ation.

That testifies all will be judged according to works--after death--and that for life or ****ation.

How do you fit that into faith alone theology?

How does that differ from other testimonies?

2 Corinthians 5:10---King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Could you identify who the "we" are here?

1 Peter 1:16-17---King James Version (KJV)
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, p*** the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Romans 2:5-11----King James Version (KJV)
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Matthew 16:27---King James Version (KJV)
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
05-05-2017, 05:03 AM
dberrie2000

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Originally Posted by disciple View Post Does "faith" mean becoming a member of a particular religion or religious sect?

Hi Disciple:

In the Biblical text--there was but one denomination--and it was founded upon the living, mortal apostles and prophets--Jesus Christ being the Chief Corner Stone:

Ephesians 2:20---King James Version (KJV)
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

And those repented and were water baptized, by those authorized of God to do so--were numbered with those of that denomination:

Acts 2:38-42--King James Version (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

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Does "faith" mean going to church, getting baptized or doing good works?

Of course it does.

Quote:

Does "faith" mean saying "I am saved"? The word "faith" here has been translated from the Greek word pistis which means, "conviction of the truth of anything" and "the character of one who can be relied on." Jesus had not created any type of religious sect: He didn't erect temples or churches and did not put together an organization. Therefore his use of the word "faith" had nothing to do with joining any religion or sect or performing any specific rituals.
The "faith" that Jesus was referring to with this woman was her confidence that Jesus' teachings were true, and were coming from God. This is why the Bible tells us we are saved by faith, saved by the conviction and trust that the Gospel message is true and that God is willing and able to save us apart from our human effort.

If the good works are apart from being saved--then why are all judged according to works--and that for life or ****ation?

John 5:28-29----King James Version (KJV)
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of ****ation.

That testifies all will be judged according to works--after death--and that for life or ****ation.

How do you fit that into faith alone theology?

How does that differ from other testimonies?

2 Corinthians 5:10---King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Could you identify who the "we" are here?

1 Peter 1:16-17---King James Version (KJV)
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, p*** the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Romans 2:5-11----King James Version (KJV)
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Matthew 16:27---King James Version (KJV)
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

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