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Father_JD
He was in charge of the musical worship of God in Heaven. Your biblical ignorance is showing. I guess you didn't know that his name meant, "Light-Bearer" either, meaning he was perhaps the most beautiful of God's angelic creation?
What? He's got a good voice? There must be something to the idea that britney spears and them other annoying singers are the devil then, huh?
And yowza to the beautiful comment. The beauty of a male spirit, huh? Is there beauty also in a female spirit?
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I'm sorry your weak godlet you esteem as "God", can only work with eternal "pre-existent matter", which MEANS MATTER IS AS ETERNAL AS HE IS. Nevermind that's illogical....you believe it 'cause LD$, Inc tells you to believe that.
No need to apologize...I ***ure you accepting the LDS concept of God is much sweeter than accepting the mainstream concept of God. You're in the bad spot in terms of who's God is better.
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No, in fact Gen. 2 completely CONTRADICTS the Mormon belief of "eternal spirit children" being given fleshy tabernacles, doesn't it? :rolleyes:
No. Quite the opposite. But your reading into the text has to sound a little interesting if you'd care to 'splain.
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That's NOT what the Bible teaches and you're yet again guilty of foisting Mormon belief over the Biblcal text. Like I said, furnish ONE example where Angels have FLESH AND BONE, ok? Either put up or shut up, stem. :eek:
ooohhhh...another of those efforts to intimidate LDS to stop talking, huh, JD? Here are Harnack's words on the topic, JD:
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"It (the spirit of a man) has a real being...It exists beforehand with God in the same way as it appears on earth, that is with all the material attributes belonging to its essence. Its manifestation on earth is merely a transition from concealment to publicity." Harnack History of Dogma, 1:318-19
The spirit of man then existed prior to mortal bodies which housed those spirits. My questions were trying to figure out your belief...not so much whether you can prove me wrong or whatever.
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Only GOD KNOWS, stem. "Mystery" doesn't work because it isn't a mystery: God created angels and spirit beings, He created humans as flesh and spirit. It's REALLY that simple when one isn't trying to reconcile Mormon dogma with the Bible. :rolleyes:
No prob. You don't know then.
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I keep tellin' you, stem. God did NOT cause the downfall. Adam did it all by his little lonesome with Eve. Obviously you're only capable of STRAW-MAN illustrations. :(
I'm capable of more than just strawmen, JD. I just need you to 'splain how you get away from the idea that God caused the downfall while addressing my logic. Here ya go:
If God created ex nihilo...God knew before anything was created what was going to be the outcome of his creations. He knew exactly what choices adam and eve would make before creating them. He knew satan would, if not already bad, turn bad and attempt ruin his plans. ya with me, cause its going to get a little trickier for you to comprehend?
It goes deeper. Remember God was all there was before creating. He conceived of every action that each of his creations would do before creating, right? Its more than just that He knew Eve would succumb to temptation and partake, but he conceived of it. Eve would not have succumbed if God did not conceive of the occurence before she was created out of nothing. He certainly could have conceived that Eve would not succumb to the temptation, right? I mean if He before creating out of nothing designed Eve, out of nothing, to not succumb at that moment, then the fall woudl not have happened. And, according to your beliefs, He could have done just that. He could have conceived of designing her different than he did. He could have made her to ignore satan if He wanted. But he didn't. Thus, it must be that he chose the fall before anything ever was created. There really is no other conclusion to draw, JD, if ya think about it.
love,
stem