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[nrajeffreturns;144675]Well, LDS people believe that Joseph Smith's teachings follow the Bible, yet we get accused of following Joseph Smith instead of following the Bible. Weird, huh? So if you have a problem with that reasoning from certain anti-LDS people, then just say so and maybe both sides can stop accusing the other of following the teachings of a man instead of the teachings of scripture.
Just as a quick example of the LDS being followers of Joseph Smith and not the Bible is found in his practice of plural marriage. In the D&C 20:5 Smith is called the first ELDER. And yet the Bible an elder is commanded to be the husband of one wife.. That is just a quick reference to show that mormonism ignores the teachings of the Bible as it suites them..
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There is no flaw in my thinking on this.
That proof of ignoring the Bible makes your point of no effect, and shows a clear flaw in your thinking..
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Sure there would. People are free to reject what Christ did for them, and He won't force anyone to heaven, no matter how much of a price He paid. I could pay for your plane ticket to Disneyland, but if you refuse to get on the plane, it doesn't mean that I didn't pay your way. Your failure to arrive at Disneyland won't be because I didn't pay for your ticket, it will be because you chose not to avail yourself of the marvelous gift I paid on your behalf. So the payment I made might be wasted in your case, but I still paid for it. Your refusal to admit that fact is the glaring flaw in your thinking.
You have also told a simple truth here, Not all, not even most, but few will trust in Jesus. mormonism teaches to rely on faith plus baptism, plus church membership (laying on of hands), plus their own efforts to endure to the end in righteousness. That isn't trusting Jesus for much, it is turning away from what He did saying "oh yes we believe in Him but we need to do the work He didn't do and then and only then will we allow Him in to make up my shortfall". That isn't relying on His grace, it's trusting in our works. It is a denial of the sufficiency of Him and the work He completed..
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Christ calls ALL people to come unto Him. Refusing to heed that call is a sin, yes, and there will be consequences for it. Another flaw in your thinking is that if Christ calls all people to come to Him, but He only atoned for the sins of SOME of them, then some of the people He's calling are people who have ZERO hope of being saved, even if they obey the call. Because according to you, Jesus didn't die for those people, so there's no way they can be saved. After all, how many people who Jesus didn't die for will make it to heaven?
You are right the payment has been made.. If anyone thinks so little of the grace so freely offered there is no more sacrifice for sin and their sin remains on them.. If a person thing His grace is so cheep that we can earn it through good works, their sin remains on them.. The Bible teaches us that all that are given to Him WILL come to Him. This doesn't mean the price wasn't paid but the rejection of the gift is that much deeper a sin before Him.. They actual crucify Him again unto themselves.. They are sons of Perdition, every last one of them..
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See the fatal flaws in your reasoning? That's evidence that Calvin's and your thinking disagree with what the Bible teaches.
You can't discuss Calvinism you don't understand it.. I have given you a snapshot of it. Jesus did die so that the sins of all who would come to Him could be forgiven. Unlike mormonism we actually believe that blood is required to make an atonement. Neither water or sweat has that power.. All who believe are washed in that blood. Those that turn away from the blood and to their own devices will die in their sin and the Blood can't atone for their sin.. Therefore it can be said that the blood was shed only for those that would wash in it.. Totally biblical.. You just refuse to see anything about it but your narrow mormon taught concept of what Calvinism teaches.. There is also a channel to discuss Calvinism. If you wish to attack it's doctrines go there! Defend your mormonism here.. You can't do that by the Bible!! IHS jim