What's your motive Pappy?
The pentagram was a religious symbol that was used by medieval Christians in representing the five wounds of Christ. The triangle symbolized the holy Trinity and was representative of the 3 beings of the Godhead plus the two natures of Christ. The church eventually chose the cross as a symbol for Christianity,and the use of the pentagram as a Christian symbol gradually ceased.
Amongst the Hebrews,the symbol was ascribed to Truth and to the five books of the Pentateuch.It was also the seal of the city of Jerusalem.
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The first time the pentagram was ever ***ociated with the occult was in the mid 19th century when a French magician Eliphas Levi mistakenly claimed that the inverted pentagram was a symbol for the goat god Baphomet. It was only in the late 20th century that the Church of Satan decided to use it for themselves.
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On Mormon temples the pentagram point-down represents Christ’s descent to earth. Point-up,it represents Christ’s ascent to heaven. The adaptation of the pentagram into a Satanic symbol is a modern invention. This ***ociation was not known at the time when Joseph Smith was alive.
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Is he absolutely serious Jeff?
I know from his posts that it appears that he is not the sharpest crayon in the pencil box however can he not understand sarcasm?
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nrajeff
---Yes, you quoted them in some ridiculous attempt to support your belief that Scouting is satanic. News flash:If Scouting ISN'T satanic,then the fact that the LDS church supports Scouting is WORTHLESS as evidence that Scouting is satanic. I know this is high-school-level logic,but try to keep up.
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---Sure you did. You just did it in a cute, semi-ambiguous, Pharisaical way.
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nrajeff
"Hey,everybody,get yer torches and pitchforks---it's time to tear down the biggest user of Satanic symbols--The Boy Scouts of America!
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nrajeff
Check out the flag of the Order of New Templars, a secret society in Austria founded by Lanz von Liebenfels.
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It uses the CROSS and the SWASTIKA. "Proving" that any church that uses the sign of the cross, is secretly a Nazi cult...according to extremist Evangelical reasoning. Right?"
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Shoedog:Any attempt to try to discredit my integrity and honesty should first be compared to your own... or once again,you simply look silly. Praying for you LDS,sheesh. God help them,Shoedog :)
Yeah, him and his Westboro buddies
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Mesenja
[/COLOR]Boy Scouts use the pentagram,have secret handshakes & swear oaths just like satanists. Therefore the only conclusion that one can come to is crystal clear. Boy Scouts are satanists. Once again Shoedog has used impeccable logic and presented irrefutable proof to courageously tell us this sobering truth. :rolleyes:
---Yup, maybe he's a graduate of Westboro Baptist's School of Conspiracy Theories
I figured LDS had to be honest...
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nrajeff
---Who knows? But I TRIED to make it clear that it was a conclusion that could be reached according to extremist Evangelical reasoning. Maybe when I used the words
it was not plain enough?
I ***umed you two always told the truth like well, Jesus would do. No? Now THAT was sarcasm. Sheesh. LOL you guys crack me up. Hey y'all, is they any there any credible LDS Mormons out der fer us ignirint tipes? :p shoe LOL :)
LOL u reply to some1 u ignore? LoL
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Mesenja
I have you on permanent ignore. Can you figure out what that means Russ?
I guess it means you keep replying to his comments? sheesh, who knows what you mean. shoe :)
Apparently he does not Jeff
From his posts he must believe in the mythology that our taking control of the Boy Scouts and turning it into a satanic cult is a sign that either the arrival of Satan to take over the world or that the endtimes is about to appear.
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nrajeff
...and Shoe is on record as being in the Conspiracy Theory of the Month Club. Every month, you will be sent a new conspiracy theory to examine. If you decide to swallow...er, keep it, you will be billed in many easy payments....
This month's theory:That the Boy Scouts of America is really an evil, satanic cult that is working against the USA and against Christianity. Newest subscriber: Shoe D. Og.
I guess that he would like us to take out a subscription to the Conspiracy Theory of the Month Club. Either that or he can't see the obvious. You take your pick Jeff.
Yes it makes a big diiference
First you said that Masons used the pentagram as a part of their secret ceremony and many of them have the same design on their aprons.
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Are you saying that I am wrong and you see them the say way that they do as a mystic part of their secret ceremony? Many of them have that same design on their aprons. IHS Jim
Then when you are pressed to provide any evidence of your claim you back down and ask me if it makes any difference.
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I worked with a Mason that told me that. I have no proof.. Does it make that much difference? You just admitted that the repersentation fills their lodges.. IHS Jim
What I said was that the use of a pentagram or five-pointed star in some Grand Lodge seals and banners as well as on the collar of office worn by the Masters of lodges and Grand Masters of Grand Lodges is strictly ornamental in nature. Once again you are proven wrong.
Prove they aren't satanic...
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You have given absolutely no proof that the symbols that adorn some of our temples are occultic or even Satanic in nature.
Actually according to you if I recall correctly, the upside down pentagram IS a satanic symbol. True? Maybe it was another TBM. Regardless, given the LDS Mormon connection and communication with ghosts and the dead, occult and/or Masonic ritual in temple ceremonies, fictional canon like BoM or Book of Abe, etc. it only follows the spirit behind the doctrines and symbols of LDS mormonism is at least in part satanic IMHO.
Frankly, what you believe as LDSism is NOT what Joseph Smith, et al taught. LDS are slowly bowing to common sense and scripture by slowly ridding themselves of goofy doctrine and symbols... like changing the priestly underwear generationally as well as temple rituals. Sounds deceptive to me... and who is the father of untruth, of lies? So LDS are deceived by the panteistic and occultic symbols.
shoe :)
Prove the CROSS isn't PAGAN, Shoe
If you really have jumped on the "You need to prove a negative, otherwise you lose" bandwagon, then go ahead and prove that the adoption of the cruciform by Christianity was NOT derived from the Egyptian ankh.
But wait there's more! LOL
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If you really have jumped on the "You need to prove a negative,otherwise you lose" bandwagon,then go ahead and prove that the adoption of the cruciform by Christianity was NOT derived from the Egyptian ankh.
Here are some more symbols that were adopted by Christians with pagan origins.
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1. Wedding Ring
The binding use of the ring for betrothal ceremonies originated in the pagan supers***ion of a man tying cords around the waist,wrists and ankles of the woman he had fallen in love with,to make sure that her spirit would be held under his control.
And there are many legends about the magic powers of finger rings. According to a popular legend,King Solomon had a ring that transported him every day at noon into the celestial sphere,where he heard the secrets of the universe. Another legend claims that Solomon had his ring set with precious stones and used it as a magic mirror in which he was able to see the reflected image of any place or person he wished. Solomon’s ring was later found and used by Jewish exorcists to drag demons out through the noses of sick people.
Until the seventeenth century astrological finger rings were very popular. These rings developed out of the belief it was important to wear rings formed of the gems and metals ***igned to each of the seven planetary gods.
There are also many stories about the healing power of finger rings. The Greek physician Galen wrote of the Egyptian king’s use of curative rings. Edward the Confessor,king of England supposedly gave a pilgrim a ring in lieu of money. The pilgrim was the the Apostle John in disguise,who returned the ring to the king,saying that he had blessed it and had given it curative powers. From that time on, up to the reign of Queen Mary I in the 16th century,on Good Friday,English kings and queens blessed and distributed rings held to be a cure for the ‘falling sickness’ (epilepsy).
2. Blessings
The word blessing comes from the term blessen,which developed from the Old English blaedsian (preserved in the Northumbrian dialect around 950 AD). It also appears in other forms,such as bledsian (before 830) and derived from Proto-Germanic word blothisojan (around 725 ),and blesian (from around 1000),all meaning to mark with blood. An ancient Pagan ritual was to make sacred or holy by a sacrificial custom in the Anglo-Saxon pagan period,originating in Germanic paganism;by making a mark with blood as a sign of sincerity.
3. Christian Fish ('The Jesus Fish')
Ichthys (Greek:ἰχθύς,capitalized ΙΧΘΥΣ or ΙΧΘΥC),was the ancient and cl***ical word for "fish." The ichthys was adopted by early Christian as a secret symbol now known colloquially as the "sign of the fish" or the "Jesus fish." The fish symbol was used to mark meeting places and tombs,or to distinguish friends from foes.
In Babylonian mythology,Ichthys was the son of Atargatis the mermaid and fertility goddess of the seas. To the Babylonians the 'fish symbol' was a representation of sexuality and fertility.
The fish symbol was used by neo-pagan as a religious symbol ***ociated with the Great Mother Goddess. It was the outline of her womb. Often the image was drawn by overlapping two very thin crescent moons.
If we follow the same twisted logic of Shoe_dog that he uses on the origins and significance of symbols on our temples to Christian symbology then it's nonsensical conclusion would be that these are "evil" symbols and occultic or even Satanic in nature. Maybe Shoe_dog needs to write out on a blackboard a 100 times the sentence "The meaning of symbols can only be defined by the person or group using it."