Originally Posted by Father_JD
FJD: jeff...how many times do I need to correct your twisted understanding of "Calvinistic" i.e. biblical teaching?
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---Until it ceases to be fun bantering with you.
So, it MUST be fun correcting you, jeff.:p
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So-called "Arminianism" is in error, that's for sure. Error does not necessarily mean "Satanic", jeff.
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---But if it is contra-Biblical, how can Arminianism NOT be "another gospel," which therefore teaches "another Jesus," which is therefore "non-Christian"? Come on, stand up to those anti-Bible Arminians who dare to call themselves Christians! Let's start a T.E.A. party to oppose them! (Trash Everything Arminian)
Arminians believe in sola gratia, sola fide. THAT is the gospel, jeff. You on the other hand, don't believe the biblical gospel.
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I'm refererencing BEFORE the Fall, jeff.
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--Ah, so you believe that God was only able to create non-evil things BEFORE that dang Fall ruined His abilities? What happened to omnipotence?
God has ONLY created "good" creation. The Fall changed all that, jeff. Isn't Mormo-god "omnipotent"? Or is it he couldn't do a thing? :confused:
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And NO, God did NOT directly create me. Only Adam and Eve were "created by God", i.e. directly.
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--Ah, yes, God is now merely a "secondary creator." So you believe that after the 6th day of creation, God said "That's it, I'm done creating, let someone else take over the *** from here on out, and good luck to them, whoever they are."
Right. God CEASED His creation on the 6th day. NOW He SUSTAINS His creation.
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The Bible teaches we are BORN IN SIN.
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---But not created in sin, you say. How can you be born without being created? Sounds like a case of anti-equivocation: Creating an imaginary difference between two words that are actually synonymous. Hey, you are a creator--you created a fallacious argument! (But just a secondary creator, right? )
Only Adam and Eve were CREATED directly by God...and NOT PRO-created as Mormons believe!!!
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We have the sin nature, and BECAUSE we possess the sin nature, we WILL sin.
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---So if God --"the father of spirits," according to the Bible--didn't create your spirit, then who did? Did Mr. and Mrs. FJD Sr. really have the power to create spirits? I thought it was supposed to be the MORMONS who ascribe superhuman powers to mere mortals. Or is it "only a deity can create spirits" that those pesky Mormons believe?
I didn't say He didn't "create" my spirit...but the question that the bible does NOT answer is how the "spirit" comes about in the human body. Primary creation or secondary creation...we don't KNOW, but God "created" us one way or another.
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Again, I'm referring to ORIGINAL CREATION BEFORE SIN ENTERED THE COSMOS.
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--Interesting statement. So you believe that sin entered our cosmos from some...other...cosmos? Who let it in? Why didn't they put up some cherubim with light sabers to keep this sin from entering our cosmos? Seems like our cosmos was a pretty utopian place, until sin entered from the "sin cosmos" and nobody tried to stop it. Look what a disaster our cosmos has turned into, and it could have been prevented, if only our cosmos had not been invaded by "The sin from another cosmos." Wasn't that the ***le of an old, black-and-white sci-fi movie?
Meaning, sin didn't exist in this one and only "universe", jeff. Ultimately, the answer lies with God Himself as to why He permitted sin/evil to come about.
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No one is "good" in our NATURAL, FALLEN STATE, jeff.
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---Not even Mother Teresa?...
Are you declaring Mother Teresa has NEVER having been REGENERATED or "born again"?? Do you really believe that Mother Teresa NEVER sinned, either before regeneration or ***uming she was, afterwards? :confused:
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...It's hard for me to make myself say out loud "Mother Teresa was not good." Maybe it's easier for you to form the words. How about the men who infallibly, inerrantly wrote each book that's now in the official (non-Catholic) Bible? Not good men? Again, it's hard for me to make myself say "The Bible was written by evil men." It just doesn't seem right to me. How much "training" (conditioning) did you have to undergo, before "The Bible was written by evil men" was easy for you to say? Isn't that a symptom of a cult mentalilty---being conditioned to say incorrect things until the subject genuinely believes he is saying something that is true?
You judge others by men's standards, jeff...and definitely NOT God's.
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Did you purposely equivocate my remarks??
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---Why--am I good at it? (Remember there are none that are good....)
Yeah. You're good at doing BAD things ( like equivocation), jeff. :p