Does a Born Again Christian have to choose either side ? What if you just don't care either way and just believe in The Lord Jesus Christ ?
What would you call a Christian before John Calvin or Jacobus Arminius were even born ?
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Does a Born Again Christian have to choose either side ? What if you just don't care either way and just believe in The Lord Jesus Christ ?
What would you call a Christian before John Calvin or Jacobus Arminius were even born ?
Well neither Calvin nor Arminus invented the Predestination doctrine. They just expounded on their interpretation of what the Bible says about it. True Christians do not follow any man.
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Unless you wrote something you didnt mean because you attended public school, the statement you posted disqualified you from the Christian Faith.
Onlly one statement disqualifies you, the other does not, it simply makes you extremely impotent. Thus you have theological E.D.
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In order for this heretic Alan to justify his complete heresy by taken the .......
Thus, lets focus on this heretic and let an educated person like myself actually represent both sides correctly and have the chips fall where they may.
Alan, either you worded something you did not mean because of your public school education, or you are a complete heretic.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
I never got around to addressing this personal attack...
Anyone know whatever happened to this poster?...as I think I should find a way to respond to this post of his...
To tell the truth, this post above, as well as most all the others that you seem to put on this forum, smack me of being silly and totally mixed-up.Quote:
Hi Alan,
Unless you wrote something you didnt mean because you attended public school, the statement you posted disqualified you from the Christian Faith.
Onlly one statement disqualifies you, the other does not, it simply makes you extremely impotent. Thus you have theological E.D.
You hold to a pure cl***ical Pelagius position. By saying that once you sin, you are then lost is exactly what his position was. Thus he denied original sin that you are bore into sin (Romans 5:12-18).
Therefore the issue has turned from your ignorance on Calvinism and Arminian to whether or not you are going to hell on the path of heresy you choose.
The semi-pelagianism is what the educated Arminianism proponents would view. That when Adam fell we were not completely dead but sick. Our reason did not fall and we are still able to make decisions.
The Calvinist view would be Augustinian. That original sin means you are completely dead in sin. Your corpse is 10,000 feet under the ocean for 4000 years, your flesh is decayed and your skelton is broken in pieces. Completely dead.
In order for this heretic Alan to justify his complete heresy by taken the pure pelagius view is by saying that God would not ask us to do somethingn if it wasn't true. lol. He fails to define what us means.
Thus, lets focus on this heretic and let an educated person like myself actually represent both sides correctly and have the chips fall where they may.
Alan, either you worded something you did not mean because of your public school education, or you are a complete heretic.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
I don't really think you know what you are talking about most of the time, and you seem to not have a real good grasp of how to set your ideas down in writing so that others might understand you.
I think you are dead wrong about me and my views.
Just as i think you are dead wrong about some judgements you made against a few other members of this message board.
I don't think you got the slightest clue as to what I'm talking about.
I don't think you have the slightest idea what my views are.
I don't think you have a very clear way of posting, and I find most all that you say just a little bit insulting.
I have not tried to seek out your views after you first started to post here as I did not think asking you any questions would prove useful....I have seen other members here attempt to talk to you and have found your responses to them to be very unfriendly and not worth much.
I simply do not think you have many views worth the time they take to read.
I suggest you think before you write something, and think of what is a better way to say something.....
I suggest that before you declare me to be a non-Christian, that you find out a few facts about me first.
Alan can you tell me what is "silly and totally mixed-up" with his post below?Quote:
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Hello,
We see that the real issue between Arminianism and Calvinism starts with the fall.
As I said to the potential heretic Alan. there are 3 views to keep in mind.
The Fall (3 Views
Pelagian View - We are not born into sin and are not lost until we sin
Semi-Pelagianism - The fall made me sick. I can still reason but not well
Augustinianism - We were completely dead when born. This includes everything, reason, etc.
Arminism is Semi-Pelagius
Calvinism is Augustinian
Those who hold the Pelagian View are outside of the Chrisitan faith since they violate an essential doctrine to the faith.
See Romans 5:12-18 on this issue.
We need to start with the fall because this is where the beginning of the issue.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
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I should tell you and any reading this why I have no been reluctantly forced to place you on my "IGNORE list"
You ask the same questions over and over.
Its no fun at all to try to have a conversation with someone who just simply says the same thing over and over without allowing the conversation to flow normally.
I consider behavior of your Billy to be bad manners.
I consider my own posts to be worth people taking the time to read, but when it becomes clear that im dealing with a person who is not actually interested in a real conversation, then I put their names on my IIGNORE list forever..
unless you get your **** banned by the forum owner again...
in that case, (If I once again see you listed as Banned) then I will take your name off my IGNORE list with the idea that you may have learned your lesson and as a reward you should be allowed to once again try to have a normal conversation with me.
I will also see about using the IGNORE setting at the other forums where you and i might accidentally bump into each other....(why drag that out)
take care....
The other day I watched a person get all upset over what another member of this forum had posted...
This reminded me of an issue from a month or so ago where once again a member of this forum could not understand why someone was even allowed to post on a Christian site because they kept posting the same stuff over and over?
My response to these types of situations is to remember that we each have the ability to place someone we don't like on our IGNORE list.
This has been the way in the past I ended bickering with members.
I simply placed their name on my ignore list and that ended the matter, then and there.
Not another peep was heard out of the guy I put on IGNORE.
As far as i was concerned, I have totally BANNED the guy from my screen.
It works like a charm.
I have also learned over the years that people that get put on other's ignore list don't tend to stick around much longer.
The constant reminder that their words will no longer be able to be seen gets to a person after a while, and they tend to go somewhere else to try to start all over.
They must feel like they burned their bridges here, and so move on to new ones.
So in very real ways, putting someone on your ignore list tends to help get rid of someone you don't like around.