LOL......Quote:
its like ...."cl***ic"
Tell a Calvinist that I have free Will and they have a cow, and accuse me of wanting to be God.
Tell an Anti-Calvinist that God is Sovereign and they call me a robot.
some people's kids.....
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LOL......Quote:
its like ...."cl***ic"
Tell a Calvinist that I have free Will and they have a cow, and accuse me of wanting to be God.
Tell an Anti-Calvinist that God is Sovereign and they call me a robot.
some people's kids.....
The answer I teach is found in my story of the p***enger on a great ship.Quote:
We always have freedom, yet our freedom never for a moment actually trumps the authority of the Skipper of the ship to direct our lives where he and he alone wants it to go.
So when the Skipper gives a command for the ship to go when He wants it to go, he is not worried about what direction we walk on the ship at the time...
Its all already taken into account.
Then explain yourself so one doesn't reach the robot conclusion. You have a short memory, I also believe that God is Sovereign. Try to remember what you read and try to comprehend it.
its the very same in out lives.
before the world began, before the first sun burned in the sky,,,,I was predetermined to be with the Lord forever in glory.
me....personally....
Not just "guys like me......not just believersin general...not just the lucky few who do the right thing in the end...NO!
me personally...
So you do believe that God has predestined those that believe to be believers.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...A5DD2FF391692BQuote:
the answer is found at 3:40 to 4:44
Why are you so reluctant to state your own belief? Yes or no will clearly answer the question.
You can read what the answer is.
You just don't seem to like this answer
I do not wish to jump to conclusions, so yes or no.
What is so hard about yes or no??
what is so hard about the fact that I have answered that question enough times to now tell you that 'we have covered that"....and "move on"?
We have already covered that.
Move on...
For as Walter martin points out, there is no way to reconcile the free will of man to God's sovereignty...and yet that is what we see in the bible...
Man does have free will.
God is alone sovereign....
see the answer is found at 3:40 to 4:44 of the recording
You have not given me a simple answer that I can clearly understand. You tell me stories, refer me to Walter Martin, but never directly answer the question. A simple yes or no will clear it up for me as far as understanding your position. How about it, I am an old man.
My answer:
When did I predetermined the hero would be a spy?
Yes or no will make it clear. Are you afraid to be clear about what you believe?
Move
.on...
Why not answer the question? Yes or No!!!
you can go ahead and copy/paste the same question over and over a few dozen more times if you like....
I will just hang back and allow you to get that out of your system.
When you have had enough, just let me know and I can wrap it all up with a link to the Martin recording as well as tell you go check my post number #78 for my own take on the topic.
have fun....
That is very Christian of you. Are you just out to win an argument or are you interested in sharing ideas as to what the truth is? You can't get ahead if you are not willing to give of yourself. All I am asking is a clear and truthful answer to the question and then we can go on to a better knowledge of truth if it is truth you are looking for. You won't gain anything by trying to annoy people. A simple yes or no and we can go further.
like I said.......as many times as you need....
One of my better posted comments on this issue...Quote:
as I said....
before the world was made...before the first sun was placed into the darkness of time and space....before any of the things that are now were made...before all this..
God saw me with Him.
And not just accidentally...
God was not just looking into the future....God was not looking at what "was to be"
God was looking at what is.
For God has no past,
God cant look into his future for he has none.
And so my salvation is not just a happy accident.
my salvation was not left up to me to decide and then inform God...
God did not sit and watch me make a choice with the outcome in my hands....NO!
For God is a God of life and a God of action!.....not a god who sits and hopes for the best, with a back-up plan for whatever I might decide to do.
So this means that my salvation is an "act".....of God's Grace...
Not accidental, but rather it was predestined
And when things are predestined to happen one way, they can not happen any other way......
When things are predestined by God to happen one way, they can not happen any other way......AMEN!