---So you believe that Jesus IS THE TRINITY made manifest in the flesh, therefore whether a person says "Jesus made Satan" or "The Trinity made Satan" it's exactly the same thing?
And how is that NOT modalism?
---So you believe that Jesus IS THE TRINITY made manifest in the flesh, therefore whether a person says "Jesus made Satan" or "The Trinity made Satan" it's exactly the same thing?
And how is that NOT modalism?
I can help by presenting that which you have not presented regarding your own religion:
According to LDSism, which you did not explain, "spirits" have always existed as "intelligences," a sort of primordial goo-ness of undefined nature.
Also according to LDSism, these "intelligences" became "procreated" by Father God and Mother God where they came to exist in what's known in LDSism as the "preexistence" before taking on "tabernacles of flesh and bone" in the "mortal probation."
These are the facts to which people should be made aware, but the LDS missionaries don't ask and don't tell.
Russ, you weren't trying to EVADE my questions, were you?
So you believe that Jesus IS THE TRINITY made manifest in the flesh, therefore whether a person says "Jesus made Satan" or "The Trinity made Satan" it's exactly the same thing?
And how is that NOT modalism?
Hey Libby, have any biblical references to support your theory?
love,
stem
Not avoiding. Not evading. Rather, ignoring. This isn't a discussion on the Trinity.
LDSism is on the table. I'll help provide clarification where and/or when LDS members are mute.
If that is what the Trinity is then you would be correct in calling it modalism. That isn't what the Trinity is nor is it anything close to Russ' ideal of what and who God is.. Yes We believe that there is one Being who is God.. That Being is the Persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.. I thought you knew what that the Trinity is.. You have had it explained to you more than once.. IHS jim
Not hiding. Standing right here in front of you, using my real name and not some alter ego internet moniker that I dreamed up.
Libs answer is a good one. It stands as mine too.
According to LDSism, which you continually neglect to explain, "spirits" have always existed as "intelligences," a sort of primordial goo-ness of undefined nature.
Also according to LDSism, these "intelligences" became "procreated" by Father God and Mother God where they came to exist in what's known in LDSism as the "preexistence" before taking on "tabernacles of flesh and bone" in the "mortal probation."
These are the facts to which people should be made aware, but you never told me.
Why?
Russ doesn't know what he believes. He just knows what he doesn't believe.According to LDSism, which you did not explain, "spirits" have always existed as "intelligences," a sort of primordial goo-ness of undefined nature.
Also according to LDSism, these "intelligences" became "procreated" by Father God and Mother God where they came to exist in what's known in LDSism as the "preexistence" before taking on "tabernacles of flesh and bone" in the "mortal probation."
Take it from there. Let us break into LDS-speak for clarification.
The man-on-the-street would be clueless without your clarification. I know. I've asked. When informed, the man-on-the-street routinely responds, "You're kidding, right?"
No, I'm not.
On a board to do with LDSism, one would think Mormons would be quite content to speak honestly and openly about their religion, the "only true church on the face of the earth."
When Mormons come asking questions, and when Mormons come presenting what they consider to be "stumpers," and when Mormons are answered (twice already in this thread), it's time to get right back to the topic of this board.
LDSism would have us believe that God and Mother God "procreated" the spirits in the "preexistence" (don't ask me, Mormons made it up), and then the spirits took on "tabernacles of flesh and bone" (physical bodies in Mormon-speak) so that they too might have opportunity to become Gods over their own planets.
THAT is LDSism in a nutshell.
People deserve to know what they're signing up for before they sign up.
And since you won't tell them, I will.
I'll steam roll you in LDS quotes.
You have no foundation in place to compare with anything LDS believe, Russ. How sad.On a board to do with LDSism, one would think Mormons would be quite content to speak honestly and openly about their religion, the "only true church on the face of the earth."
When Mormons come asking questions, and when Mormons come presenting what they consider to be "stumpers," and when Mormons are answered (twice already in this thread), it's time to get right back to the topic of this board.
LDSism would have us believe that God and Mother God "procreated" the spirits in the "preexistence" (don't ask me, Mormons made it up), and then the spirits took on "tabernacles of flesh and bone" (physical bodies in Mormon-speak) so that they too might have opportunity to become Gods over their own planets.
THAT is LDSism in a nutshell.
People deserve to know what they're signing up for before they sign up.
And since you won't tell them, I will.
I'll steam roll you in LDS quotes.
Yeah, I've heard this "you don't know anything about Mormonism" rant before.
What's sad is that when LDS theology is put on the table for discussion, Mormons such as yourself lamely attempt to make the person the topic rather than LDS theology.
When challenged to explain your religion, you run away like a school child; such as you're doing now.
Why, Russ...I'll help you out!!
Two, very much incarnate deities, one named Roy and his goddess wife, Sally, were feeling a little frisky one eon day ago, so Roy took Sally behind his throne and gave her a one-two...and about nine months later Sally gave birth to a little SPIRIT baby that came out so fast, one of the celestial mid-wives had to catch the poor lil' spirit with her invisible, spirit catcher's mitt so the poor lil' spirit baby wouldn't float away 'cause then they'd never find it.
And there you have it: Celestial sex among incarnate gods, giving birth to spirit babies!
A person made me chuckle.Why, Russ...I'll help you out!!
Two, very much incarnate deities, one named Roy and his goddess wife, Sally, were feeling a little frisky one eon day ago, so Roy took Sally behind his throne and gave her a one-two...and about nine months later Sally gave birth to a little SPIRIT baby that came out so fast, one of the celestial mid-wives had to catch the poor lil' spirit with her invisible, spirit catcher's mitt so the poo lil' spirit baby wouldn't float away and they'd never find it.
And there you have it: Celestial sex among incarnate gods, giving birth to spirit babies!
He said that giving birth to spirit-babies probably wouldn't be much trouble.
It might be, he said, tantamount to p***ing gas.
I suppose that's feasible. :-)
Mockery and attacks.Why, Russ...I'll help you out!!
Two, very much incarnate deities, one named Roy and his goddess wife, Sally, were feeling a little frisky one eon day ago, so Roy took Sally behind his throne and gave her a one-two...and about nine months later Sally gave birth to a little SPIRIT baby that came out so fast, one of the celestial mid-wives had to catch the poor lil' spirit with her invisible, spirit catcher's mitt so the poor lil' spirit baby wouldn't float away 'cause then they'd never find it.
And there you have it: Celestial sex among incarnate gods, giving birth to spirit babies!
Your Jesus would be proud!
Well now, vladdy boy!! No Mormon has stepped forward to tell HOW incarnate deities give birth to godlet SPIRIT babies...It could ONLY have happened in this manner, and this is HOW it happened, according to my warm-fuzzy from God, so you can't tell me I'm wrong.
And YES, "my" Jesus would be proud just as I'm certain He was proud of Elijah, when he MOCKED the FALSE PROPHETS OF BAAL on Mt. Carmel.