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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns View Post
    So you had to change the question?

    Genesis 1:31
    God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good.
    What did God say in v. 31 about everything He created?
    He said it was very good.

    Now let me ask you is this verse before of after the fall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
    You never answered my question.
    Yes I did. Your earlier question was "Who is good according to Jesus?"

    And I answered: Every person who He will tell "Well done, thou good and faithful servant" meets the definition of good. Do you disagree with Jesus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
    He said it was very good.

    Now let me ask you is this verse before of after the fall?
    After. So God makes things very good but doesn't keep them that way? Can't there be good people even after the fall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns View Post
    After.
    Genesis 1:31
    God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good.
    What did God say in v. 31 about everything He created?

    This verse is AFTER the fall of Adam?

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    "After"???

    Boy that's a new one on me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns View Post
    Yes I did. Your earlier question was "Who is good according to Jesus?"

    And I answered: Every person who He will tell "Well done, thou good and faithful servant" meets the definition of good. Do you disagree with Jesus?
    Jesus said none but God was good...do you disagree now?


    You now claim to be also just as good as Jesus claimed only God is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
    This verse is AFTER the fall of Adam?
    Oops. No. Sorry, I meant your NT proof text occurred after the fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    Jesus said none but God was good...do you disagree now?
    Do you disagree that Jesus will call you good?


    You now claim to be also just as good as Jesus claimed only God is?
    No, not AS good, silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns View Post
    Do you disagree that Jesus will call you good?



    No, not AS good, silly.
    "Will call"?

    I can only say what Jesus DID CALL....
    and I see none yet here that can change what he taught...

    Unless you have more authority than God?

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    So genesis has God calling something "good" after the fall?

    Did you catch that point Billy?...because that's a new one on me!....
    I best go open my Bible to confirm thisn new mormon teaching....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    Jesus said none but God was good...do you disagree now?
    Was that a reference to Jesus' God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    "Will call"?
    Matt. 25:21 His lord said unto him, ‘Well done, thou good and faithful servant."
    Unless you have more authority than Jesus?

    Besides, don't you believe that your salvation isn't something that WILL happen in the future, because it's an event that has already occurred in the past?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns View Post
    Matt. 25:21 His lord said unto him, ‘Well done, thou good and faithful servant."
    Unless you have more authority than Jesus?

    Besides, don't you believe that your salvation isn't something that WILL happen in the future, because it's an event that has already occurred in the past?
    And once-saved-always-saved to that, as a rule. The scriptures state we receive the promise of eternal life here:


    1 John 2:25---King James Version (KJV)


    25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

    And this promise is conditional:


    Hebrews 10:36---King James Version (KJV)


    36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
    And once-saved-always-saved to that, as a rule. The scriptures state we receive the promise of eternal life here. . .And this promise is conditional:
    If salvation is by faith and not works why on earth do you say that a person must add works for salvation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
    If salvation is by faith and not works why on earth do you say that a person must add works for salvation?
    You must obey God's will to get salvation. He wants you to have faith in Christ, repent of your sins, be baptized, and then walk the path of a disciple, the path that leads to eternal life. None of that adds works for salvation. It's all just part of being obedient, and the disobedient shall not get eternal life. Just ask Satan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns View Post
    You must obey God's will to get salvation.
    That is why we say that Mormonism is a works based salvation.

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    Originally Posted by nrajeffreturns View Post--You must obey God's will to get salvation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
    That is why we say that Mormonism is a works based salvation.
    Does that include the Biblical record also?

    Hebrews 5:9 (King James Version)

    9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
    If salvation is by faith and not works why on earth do you say that a person must add works for salvation?
    Salvation is by God's grace--not by faith. I add works to faith so it won't be a dead faith:

    James 2:20 (King James Version)

    20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post
    Salvation is by God's grace--not by faith. I add works to faith so it won't be a dead faith:
    God gives his grace in many ways to both believers and unbelievers. We are saved when we put out trust (faith) in Christ to save us. Works do not contribute to salvation. BTW dead faith = no faith.

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    works do not save....

    The only thing that is called a "work" is that we "Believe" in God's only son.

    All the other works that I do are off-shoots of this one true "work" and that is my faith.

    So the works that I "do" are to confirm my faith.
    No works show us that there is a dead faith that is useless to others.

    I living faith will produce works.

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    "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
    If salvation is by faith and not works why on earth do you say that a person must add works for salvation?
    Works don't add to anything. ..they confirm

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
    Works don't add to anything. ..they confirm
    a lot of CULTS and a lot of believers still try to slide works into helping us get saved.....

    They are in error.


    Works dont save....

    Works confirm you are saved....

    This is because the world cant see into your heart, the world cant tell by looking at your heart if you are saved...
    But the world can look at your actions, words and deeds....and from these things the world can learn if you are walking the Christian walk...


    So my works do not make me saved.
    But my works do show Im saved.

    if I have no works to be seen, it shows you that I have a faith that is moot to my life (ie dead faith)

    But ifI have works, then I dont need to try to prove to you Im saved, you can see in my works that I am saved.

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