Picture Proof:Satanic pentagrams on German church

[nrajeff]

Oooh, the Free Masons. Scary. George Washington. Louis Armstrong. Gene Autry. Count Basie. Davey Crockett. Lionel Hampton. Audie Murphy. Paul Revere. Mark Twain.

Yep, they're the bad guys, all right.

[Father_JD]

Originally Posted by nrajeff

Oooh, the Free Masons. Scary. George Washington. Louis Armstrong. Gene Autry. Count Basie. Davey Crockett. Lionel Hampton. Audie Murphy. Paul Revere. Mark Twain.

Yep, they're the bad guys, all right.

Nope. Just involved with OCCULTIC RITES like your boys Joe and Brig!

[Mesenja]

Originally Posted by Father_JD

Nope. Just involved with OCCULT RITES like your boys Joe and Brigham!

Perhaps you need to raise the alarm that in court when we give testimony and the bailiff who brings out a Bible asking you to put your hand on it and raise your other hand to the square that this originated from a Masonic rite. This is the sign of the Fellowcraft Degree to show that you were a Fellowcraft Mason or a Fellowcraft. In England during the Middle Ages only those who were Freeborn or a person not subservient to another could give testimony . Those who were called in Masonry an Entered Apprentice were in apprenticeship or subservient to another.

[Father_JD]

Pfft. This is nothing more than typical Mormon deflection away from your occultic boys, Joe and Brig, M-dude.

[Mesenja]

Originally Posted by Father_JD

Pfft. This is nothing more than typical Mormon deflection away from your occultic boys,Joe and Brigham, Mesenja-dude.

It only highlights your accusation as having no merit. You keep committing the same fallacy of False Cause by repeatedly making the attempt at establishing a causal connection which is not there.

[Father_JD]

Originally Posted by Mesenja

It only highlights your accusation as having no merit. You keep committing the same fallacy of False Cause by repeatedly making the attempt at establishing a causal connection which is not there.

Free Masonry is clearly "occultic". Your boys Joe and Brig were Masons. They were engaged in occultic activity. They brought Masonic occultism into Mormonism, cf the Secret-but-not-sacred Mormon temple ceremony.

[nrajeff]

Originally Posted by Father_JD

Free Masonry is clearly "occultic". Your boys Joe and Brig were Masons. They were engaged in occultic activity. They brought Masonic occultism into Mormonism, cf the Secret-but-not-sacred Mormon temple ceremony.

--By your own logic, Early Christianity was clearly occultic. Can you deal with that, or is the cog dis gonna bother you?

[Father_JD]

Originally Posted by nrajeff

--By your own logic, Early Christianity was clearly occultic. Can you deal with that, or is the cog dis gonna bother you?

Well jeff how about giving a specific WHY you would say this?

[nrajeff]

Originally Posted by Father_JD

Well jeff how about giving a specific WHY you would say this?

---Simple. Check it out:

1. Early Christianity believed that members could summon the recently-dead founder and he would come to them---all it took, was two or three of them gathered to do the summoning. Necromancy--occultic.

2. They believed that by eating the flesh and drinking the blood of their god, they could be infused with that god's holiness, etc. Clearly occultic.

3. They believed that their god caused dead corpses to arise from their graves and walk the streets of Jerusalem. Right out of the Zombie Voodoo Handbook, and clearly occultic.

Gee, FJD, are you sure you want to be a part of a religion that is so clearly occultic by your logic?

[Father_JD]

Cmon jeff. I believe you well know how youve perverted BIBLICAL TRUTH and brought it down to the level of occultic Mormonism.

Christianity is indeed a religion of the supernatural...NOT the occult as Mormonism clearly is:

Had any dead grandmas show up at night to testify to the supposed truth of Mormonism lately?

[Mesenja]

On January 19,1841,Joseph Smith recorded a revelation concerning the need for a temple in Nauvoo and of ritual elements that would eventually be practiced inside of the Nauvoo Temple. (see The Lord Speaks Again:Ancient Temple Patterns in D&C 124 and D&C 124:28-42) Joseph Smith became a Mason in March 1842.

[Father_JD]

Originally Posted by Mesenja

On January 19,1841,Joseph Smith recorded a revelation concerning the need for a temple in Nauvoo and of ritual elements that would eventually be practiced inside of the Nauvoo Temple. (see The Lord Speaks Again:Ancient Temple Patterns in D&C 124 and D&C 124:28-42) Joseph Smith became a Mason in March 1842.

It just wouldnt occur to you that JS already knew the super duper secrets of Masonry huh?

[Mesenja]

Originally Posted by Father_JD

It just wouldn't occur to you that Joseph Smith already knew the super duper secrets of Masonry huh?

Besides that it did not occur to you that the particular Temple ordinances in question have nothing to do with the Masonic rites huh?

[Father_JD]

Originally Posted by Mesenja

Besides that it did not occur to you that the particular Temple ordinances in question have nothing to do with the Masonic rites huh?

Clearly you must be clueless as to just how close the secret temple rites are to Masonic ones, M.

[Mesenja]

Originally Posted by Father_JD

Clearly you must be clueless as to just how close the secret temple rites are to Masonic ones,Mesenja.

I asked you the question when,where and how. When and where did Joseph Smith take the particular Temple ordinances of baptisms for the dead and anointings and washings from Masonry? The fundamental question remains as to how he could have done this as this is not part of Masonry.

[Father_JD]

Originally Posted by Mesenja

I asked you the question when,where and how. When and where did Joseph Smith take the particular Temple ordinances of baptisms for the dead and anointings and washings from Masonry? The fundamental question remains as to how he could have done this as this is not part of Masonry.

I don't know exactly "when, where, and how", but the EVIDENCE REMAINS: The almost point by point similarities between the Masonic Rites and the Mormon temple rite.

You think JS came up with his little fig-leaf apron idea all on his own? Or the blood oaths if one revealed the rite to the outside world?

[Sentinus]

Originally Posted by nrajeff

Oooh, the Free Masons. Scary. George Washington. Louis Armstrong. Gene Autry. Count Basie. Davey Crockett. Lionel Hampton. Audie Murphy. Paul Revere. Mark Twain.

Yep, they're the bad guys, all right.

What makes them "good" (Not bad)??

[Mesenja]

Originally Posted by Sentinus

What makes them "good" (Not bad)?

Is there any valid proof from a single reputable source to make anyone think differently?