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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeff View Post
    Is it Judgment Day? Yet? (I don't mean "judgmentalism day"---which you obviously think it already is.)
    Does this MEAN you think you'll be "good enough" on Judgment Day, jeff?

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    No one said that it wasn't our "duty", jeff. But you're eisegeting these p***ages to mean COMMANDMENT KEEPING MERITS ETERNAL LIFE.

    Sorry, but it's by GRACE.

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    Default False Cause

    The fallacy committed when an argument mistakenly attempts to establish a causal connection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father_JD View Post
    It PROVES the occultic ORIGIN of Mormonism. Duh.
    The meaning of symbols can only be defined by the person or group using it.
    Last edited by Mesenja; 03-08-2010 at 07:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesenja View Post
    The fallacy committed when an argument mistakenly attempts to establish a causal connection.



    The meaning of symbols can only be defined by the person or group using it.
    Yeh. And JS, BY were FREE MASONS who also to this day ENGAGE IN OCCULTIC ACTIVITIES.

    You wanna "causal connection"???

    JS and BY were MASONS, they CAUSED FREEMASON RITES TO BE BORROWED AND INDUCTED FOR MORMON USE.

    Like that, M??

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    Oooh, the Free Masons. Scary. George Washington. Louis Armstrong. Gene Autry. Count Basie. Davey Crockett. Lionel Hampton. Audie Murphy. Paul Revere. Mark Twain.

    Yep, they're the bad guys, all right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeff View Post
    Oooh, the Free Masons. Scary. George Washington. Louis Armstrong. Gene Autry. Count Basie. Davey Crockett. Lionel Hampton. Audie Murphy. Paul Revere. Mark Twain.

    Yep, they're the bad guys, all right.
    Nope. Just involved with OCCULTIC RITES like your boys Joe and Brig!

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    Default Hope this clears that one up!

    You are quite wrong in your belief in total depravity as spelled out by the Westminster Confession of Faith which states “Man, by his fall Into a state of sin,hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation;so as a natural man,being altogether averse from good and dead in sin,is not able,by his own strength,to convert himself or to prepare himself thereunto.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father_JD View Post

    "There is NONE that doeth good" refers to UNREGENERATE,FALLEN HUMANITY,Jeff. Our "natural state" BEFORE regeneration in Christ.

    Hope that clears that one up!
    The prophet Isaiah states that people who know righteousness are people in whose heart is the law of God.

    7 Listen to me,you that know righteousness,the people in whose heart is My [God's] law;fear you not the reproach of men,neither be you afraid of their reviling. Isaiah 51:7
    They are those who follow after righteousness by seeking the Lord and whose example is that of the patriarch Abraham.

    1 Listen to me,you that follow after righteousness,you that seek the LORD:look to the rock from where you are hewn,and to the hole of the pit from where you are dig. 2 Look to Abraham your father and to Sarah that bore you:for I called him alone,and blessed him,and increased him. Isaiah 51:1-2
    Paul said that Abraham had his own righteousness through "Faith" in God's promises.


    Even as Abraham believed God,and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Galatians 3:6
    James asked was not Abraham made righteous when he offered up his son Isaac on the alter and answers his own question in the affirmative.

    21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works,when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar 22 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith,Abraham believed God,and it was imputed unto him for righteousness:and he was called the Friend of God. James 2:23
    Paul said that Abraham not only was the father or mentor to the circumcision but also to those who follow in his footsteps or example of faith.


    And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only,but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham,which he had being yet uncircumcised. Romans 4:12
    Peter clarified this directive of following in the footsteps of faith by explaining that what it meant was to follow in the example that Christ left behind.

    For even hereunto were ye called:because Christ also suffered for us,leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 1 Peter 2:21

    Those who fear God which is having the law written in their hearts will be righteous still at the return of Jesus Christ receiving the reward of salvation.


    He that is unjust,let him be unjust still:and he which is filthy,let him be filthy still:and he that is righteous,let him be righteous still:and he that is holy,let him be holy still. 12 And,behold,I come quickly;and my reward is with me,to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end,the first and the last. Revelation 22:11-13

    Paul quotes from the first three verses of Psalm 14 making the contrast between those who seek after God and those who do not.

    1 The fool has said in his heart,There is no God. They are corrupt,they have done abominable works,there is none that does good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven on the children of men,to see if there were any that did understand,and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside,they are all together become filthy:there is none that does good,no,not one. Psalm 14:1-3
    10 As it is written,There is none righteous,no,not one: 11 There is none that understands,there is none that seeks after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way,they are together become unprofitable;there is none that does good,no,not one. Romans 3:10-12
    Paul then accused both Jew and Gentile of being under the penalty of sin and held accountable to God.

    19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:Romans 3:19,22
    1 Lord,who shall abide in your tabernacle? who shall dwell in your holy hill? 2 He that walks uprightly,and works righteousness,and speaks the truth in his heart. 3 He that backbites not with his tongue,nor does evil to his neighbor,nor takes up a reproach against his neighbor. 4 In whose eyes a vile person is contemned;but he honors them that fear the LORD. He that swears to his own hurt,and changes not. 5 He that puts not out his money to usury,nor takes reward against the innocent. He that does these things shall never be moved. Psalm 15:1-4
    Last edited by Mesenja; 07-19-2010 at 08:33 PM.

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    Don't forget the Republican party

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    Paul does NOT say that Abraham had "righteousness" of his own. It was IMPUTED. It was "accounted unto him".

    The people who "know" righteousness are (and can only be as such) the REGENERATE BELIEVERS in the Jesus of the Bible, i.e. Lucifer's CREATOR, not the phony JS version of Lucifer's "spirit brother"

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeff View Post
    Oooh, the Free Masons. Scary. George Washington. Louis Armstrong. Gene Autry. Count Basie. Davey Crockett. Lionel Hampton. Audie Murphy. Paul Revere. Mark Twain.

    Yep, they're the bad guys, all right.
    What makes them "good" (Not bad)??

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    Default What maks them bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinus View Post

    What makes them "good" (Not bad)?


    Is there any valid proof from a single reputable source to make anyone think differently?

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    Default Washington was an occultist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Father_JD View Post

    Nope. Just involved with OCCULT RITES like your boys Joe and Brigham!


    Perhaps you need to raise the alarm that in court when we give testimony and the bailiff who brings out a Bible asking you to put your hand on it and raise your other hand to the square that this originated from a Masonic rite. This is the sign of the Fellowcraft Degree to show that you were a Fellowcraft Mason or a Fellowcraft. In England during the Middle Ages only those who were Freeborn or a person not subservient to another could give testimony . Those who were called in Masonry an Entered Apprentice were in apprenticeship or subservient to another.
    Last edited by Mesenja; 07-16-2010 at 10:32 AM.

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    Default Yes he did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father_JD View Post

    Paul does NOT say that Abraham had "righteousness" of his own. It was IMPUTED. It was "accounted unto him".

    The people who "know" righteousness are (and can only be as such) the REGENERATE BELIEVERS in the Jesus of the Bible, i.e. Lucifer's CREATOR,not the phony Joseph Smith version of Lucifer's "spirit brother"
    Paul said that God recognized Abraham’s demonstration of faith as righteousness.

    Romans 4:5 (King James Version)

    5 But to him that worketh not,but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly,his faith is counted for righteousness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesenja View Post
    Paul said that God recognized Abraham’s demonstration of faith as righteousness.
    Romans 4:5 (King James Version)

    5 But to him that worketh not,but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly,his faith is counted for righteousness.
    That verse didn't have a thing to do with what you said, so why did you use it to try to make your point? And in fact it refutes your point.

    Abraham was righteous before God before he demonstrated his act of Faith. It didn't take offering up Issac for Abraham to become righteous, that would make it a works based righteousness like in mormonism.

    Andy

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    You'd better learn what Paul MEANS by, "counted".

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    Pfft. This is nothing more than typical Mormon deflection away from your occultic boys, Joe and Brig, M-dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father_JD View Post

    You'd better learn what Paul MEANS by, "counted".

    It comes from the Greek verb logizomai and is translated as,"reckoned,credited',accepted,counted,considered . The lexical definition carries several meanings as well:reckon,calculate,take into account,put on someone's account,estimate,evaluate,look upon as,consider,think,dwell on,believe,be of the opinion of."
    Last edited by Mesenja; 07-19-2010 at 07:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father_JD View Post

    Pfft. This is nothing more than typical Mormon deflection away from your occultic boys,Joe and Brigham, Mesenja-dude.
    It only highlights your accusation as having no merit. You keep committing the same fallacy of False Cause by repeatedly making the attempt at establishing a causal connection which is not there.
    Last edited by Mesenja; 07-19-2010 at 07:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesenja View Post
    It only highlights your accusation as having no merit. You keep committing the same fallacy of False Cause by repeatedly making the attempt at establishing a causal connection which is not there.
    Free Masonry is clearly "occultic". Your boys Joe and Brig were Masons. They were engaged in occultic activity. They brought Masonic occultism into Mormonism, cf the Secret-but-not-sacred Mormon temple ceremony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father_JD View Post
    Free Masonry is clearly "occultic". Your boys Joe and Brig were Masons. They were engaged in occultic activity. They brought Masonic occultism into Mormonism, cf the Secret-but-not-sacred Mormon temple ceremony.
    --By your own logic, Early Christianity was clearly occultic. Can you deal with that, or is the cog dis gonna bother you?

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    Default Post hoc ergo propter hoc

    On January 19,1841,Joseph Smith recorded a revelation concerning the need for a temple in Nauvoo and of ritual elements that would eventually be practiced inside of the Nauvoo Temple. (see The Lord Speaks Again:Ancient Temple Patterns in D&C 124 and D&C 124:28-42) Joseph Smith became a Mason in March 1842.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesenja View Post
    On January 19,1841,Joseph Smith recorded a revelation concerning the need for a temple in Nauvoo and of ritual elements that would eventually be practiced inside of the Nauvoo Temple. (see The Lord Speaks Again:Ancient Temple Patterns in D&C 124 and D&C 124:28-42) Joseph Smith became a Mason in March 1842.
    It just wouldnt occur to you that JS already knew the super duper secrets of Masonry huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeff View Post
    --By your own logic, Early Christianity was clearly occultic. Can you deal with that, or is the cog dis gonna bother you?
    Well jeff how about giving a specific WHY you would say this?

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    Default Show us when,where and how

    Quote Originally Posted by Father_JD View Post

    It just wouldn't occur to you that Joseph Smith already knew the super duper secrets of Masonry huh?
    Besides that it did not occur to you that the particular Temple ordinances in question have nothing to do with the Masonic rites huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father_JD View Post
    Well jeff how about giving a specific WHY you would say this?
    ---Simple. Check it out:

    1. Early Christianity believed that members could summon the recently-dead founder and he would come to them---all it took, was two or three of them gathered to do the summoning. Necromancy--occultic.

    2. They believed that by eating the flesh and drinking the blood of their god, they could be infused with that god's holiness, etc. Clearly occultic.

    3. They believed that their god caused dead corpses to arise from their graves and walk the streets of Jerusalem. Right out of the Zombie Voodoo Handbook, and clearly occultic.

    Gee, FJD, are you sure you want to be a part of a religion that is so clearly occultic by your logic?

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