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Sir
Of course we all see it.
But James seems to confuse LDS answering and explaining every detail of our belief to those who already outright reject it and have zero interest in trying to understand it with sharing the hope that is within us.
Sharing the hope of Jesus in me does not mean I am required to provide as many prooftexts as I can to hopefully change the mind/ view of someone who already believes against everything LDS.
Although, if we take James' words to their logical conclusions, then the hope that lies in the critics of Mormonism is not really majorly focused on Jesus. Their hope is in trying to destroy the LDS with whatever argument du jour they have discovered recently.
Let me say a word of agreement to an LDS apostle in this matter:
Convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any, by reason, by logical arguments, or by the word of God, and we will be ever grateful for the information, and you will ever have the pleasing reflection that you have been instruments in the hands of God of redeeming your fellow beings from the darkness which you may see enveloping their minds" (The Seer, pp. 15-16).
Have you tried to do this? I haven't seen any reason, logical arguments, or by a overwhelming pronouncement of the word of God that shows any of us here that mormonism is God's one true church..
On the other hand we have shown you what the priesthood really is, what the temple was for. We have shown you that even Abraham was saved by faith. We have proved that salvation come to mankind by the grace of God through faith in Jesus and that works no matter how good can't do the ***.. That without faith is is impossible to please Him (Heb 11:6).. That works are the sign over our heads to those around us that we are what we say we are, children of the Most High..
It is the Christian here that accept the Church as it was set up by Jesus. We haven't gone back in and tried to recreate what he has already accomplished.. He said that we Him Children should go into all nations, teach and baptize in His name and He would be with us always, even to the end of the world.. We trust His word and His power to keep his promises.. The Church has never stopped teaching and preaching Jesus, Proclaiming His salvation. He has also kept His promise and has never left us as Smith insisted He had.. Over the years you have seen evidence after evidence that God has worked an strove with man all though the ages since He was taken to take His place at the Right hand of the Father. His grace has always been here. Jesus didn't die for just those few that believed on Him but by His own word He made his High Priest prayer for all who would believe in Him.
John 17:20
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
If you want to talk about the context in more depth I am willing.. I can show you how we are one with each other and with Him as He is one with the Father..
In short I have shown that Jesus is God.. That there is One God.. That He is all the God there is or ever can be.. I have shown you there things by the word of God and all you have have countered with are the words of Joseph Smith.. Since I am willing to have you show the truth of Mormonism as Pratt asked to be shown the truth of the Christian Church that was so hated by Smith I would think you would be clammering to show all the Biblical truth that mormonism contains.. So far all you have are twisted bits and pieces of Biblical doctrine. Heck you won't even accept the real interpretation given right in the p***age for two Biblical p***ages
Tell me which of the men can read the sealed book just from what the Bible says about them?
Isaiah 29:11-12
And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
The answer... Neither one!!!
And the sticks of Ezekiel 37 are the two nation Israel divided into. God says He will again make them ONE nation and not two.. That is God's interpretation. It isn't about books it's about what God said it's about two nations becoming one..
This is how mormonism has treated the science of hermeneutics.. Just make up what you want a p***age to say and pronounce it in God's name and it is so.. It isn't so if it's wrong no matter who says it.. This is why the Christian here have worked so hard to show that Joseph Smith is not a prophet but rather a conman and a liar. So that you would have reason to trust God and reject error.. In doing this you see us as holding personal hatred for mormons.. That just isn't so.. There are other things I enjoy doing I don't have to come here and tell you these things, yet that is what God has called me to do.. Nothing I say here is directed at any one of the LDS people on this site. It is directed at the lies and errors that one man did bring into the world and through lust and greed let them grow and continue until it became the soul destroying teaching that Mormonism is today..
I stand here telling you about the One true God.. That Being who created ALL things. Who is from everlasting to everlasting the same unchanging God.. In Him and only in Him is there salvation. It is His gift to us through His grace and is not accessible by good works or ordinance completion. Not one of us who accept this gift can ever say it was because I was Good and faithful. For goodness and fidelity is not in us. We are to be measured not by the good or bad that we have done but alongside His righteousness.. Not one of us will p*** that test by our good works and righteousnesses.. We must have His righteousness or else we will been seen as fallen short of the basic requirement for salvation... PERFECTION... IHS jim
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