[Russianwolfe;74528]Why is it so difficult to get a Biblical definition of what Spirit is? This is a very important question. Can anyone provide the answer? What does the Bible say that Spirit is?
I have given you all that the Bible says about the nature of a spirit.. That it isn't physical that is it doesn't have flesh or bones.. I can add that John teaches that we don't know what we will be other than we will be like Him for we will see him as He is (1 John 3:2).. If you demand more you will have to wait til that time..
CFR. Provide the verses say exactly what you have claimed. No one has ever said what you say here. Where is the verses that make this claim?
I have given you the reference In Luke 24:39.. You have ignored that going on with the idea that God has a resurrected body as tangible a man's.. A Body of flesh and bone.. Jesus taught different..
And you lose. You are deflecting from the OP. Let's get back on the OP. Is that too much to ask?
You asked what a spirit is when I show you from the words of Jesus you deny it and say that it is wrong.. But that is what you always do if the Bible disagrees with you your weapon is to dent it's message..
And again, you are telling me what Spirit is not, exactly what I ask you not to tell me. Are you going to tell me that Spirit is not..............a howitzer? Or a telephone? We all know millions of things that Spirit is not. What I am asking for is a Biblical definition of what a spirit is?
A spirit according to the context of Jesus appearing to the Apostles in Luke 24 is that a spirit is the living part of a person not an inanimate object.. I have given you what the Bible teaches about the nature of a spirit.. You just reject it..
Like he had. A tangible body like Christ had. Which sorta contradicts your claim that God is just a spirit. Unless you don't believe Jesus to be God.
The Father may be called God separately of conjunctively with the Son and the Holy Spirit. Both usages are proper because the Father is all the God there is or ever can be.. Do you wish to discuss the Trinity again?
This book is not the prophet speaking. It is a book prepared to teach people the fundamentals of the Gospel. Your attempt to give this book more authority than it should have is noted as a deceptive tactic.
This reference is from an official LDS church publication. One approved by the highest authorities of the church. That mean that they agree with all that is being taught that and take full responsibility for it's content.. It is as if they wrote the whole of that manual.. There is no deception in my statement.. To say that official church publications are not the responsibility (The content that is) of the leadership is to be deceptive..
You made a references to the BofM but did not provide a reference from that book. Can you please either provide a reference or stop making these kinds of claims? You are making your position look real weak especially when you make reference to something that you don't provide.
I quoted a LDS statement and gave the reference.. But in Alma 18:26-28 we see that the BofM teaches that God is a spirit. If you will look back at my quote you will see that I gave the reference for the quote I used..
And you claimed that Joseph Smith made a statement about God having a spirit. This you have not CFR'ed. You have failed to provide the reference to back up your statement. Again, making your position look really really weak.
You are right I can't fine that quote so I retract and yield that point.. At the same time are you going to tell me that you have never heard that taught.. I have many times.. That is how the problem of this p***age was explained to me by SS teachers, Seminary teachers, bishops and counselors.
And so far you haven't provided a Biblical definition of what spirit is. How can you know for sure that this is a an error? If you don't know what spirit is how can you say that this an error? The only thing you can say is what it isn't and that doesn't help you understand what spirit is.
Oh course I have you just won't accept the words of Jesus as being the truth.. I know this is correct because I have the Lord's word that His word will never p*** away.. This is his word on the nature of a spirit.. It hasn't flesh and bone.. He taught that God is Spirit.. Anyone that teaches different than that is teaching error..
And you still insist on telling me the errors of Mormonism but you are failing to tell me what spirit is. Why not stick to the OP? All this other stuff is just a deflection to cover up the fact that you have failed to provide a Biblical definition for what a spirit is. Stick to the OP.
Just because you deny the scripture on the nature of God doesn't mean that I haven't explained it by the by that authority.. Jesus did say that God is Spirit and that a spirit doesn't have flesh and bone.. That should be enough for a person who says that they believe in God and know that He doesn't lie.. But it is part of mormonism to cal God a liar.. His word has been corrupted.. Never mind His promises to the contrary..
Why should that be enough? You make many claims about what a spirit is and claim that this proves LDS doctrine is wrong. But if you don't know what a spirit is how can you say that LDS doctrine is wrong? You are arguing from silence which is a logical fallacy. Find out what spirit is before you say we are wrong about it.
It should be enough because that is what Jesus told us! Mormonism hold the doctrine that the Father is a person of flesh and bone.. Jesus said that He is NOT.. Jesus is right, Mormonism is wrong.. If you don't even hold the correct doctrine about who and what God is then saying that Mormonism is wrong is truth.. I know that a spirit is a person without physical form.. that is the meaning of the word of Jesus.. You wish to reject this because of Smith rants near the end of his life.. You do know that in the lectures on Faith the explanation of the nature of God is more in line with the Bible and less insistent that God has a physical body.
In 1835 the "Lectures on Faith", which were originally delivered before a cl*** of the Elders, in Kirtland, Ohio, were printed in the Doctrine and Covenants. In these lectures it was definitely stated that God the Father was a personage of spirit.
In the fifth lecture we find this statement about the Godhead:
"... the Father being a personage of spirit, glory and power, possessing all perfection and fulness, the Son, ... a personage of tabernacle ..." (Doctrine and Covenants, 1835 Edition, page 53)
The "Lectures on Faith" not only taught that God the Father is a spirit, but also that God is omnipresent. Present everywhere at the same time. In the second lecture the following statement is made:
We here observe that God is the only supreme governor and independent being in whom all fulness and perfection dwells; who is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omnicient; without beginning of days or end of life; ... (Doctrine and Covenants, 1835 Edition, page 12)
But here you are insisting that I don't understand the meaning of what a spirit is.. Ok by Smith own words herein the lectures a spirit is a person but is not a person of tabernacle.. See even the highest authority of mormonism describes a spirit by what it is not.. IHS jim