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Jean Chauvin
Hello,
We see that the real issue between Arminianism and Calvinism starts with the fall.
As I said to the potential heretic Alan. there are 3 views to keep in mind.
The Fall (3 Views
Pelagian View - We are not born into sin and are not lost until we sin
Semi-Pelagianism - The fall made me sick. I can still reason but not well
Augustinianism - We were completely dead when born. This includes everything, reason, etc.
Arminism is Semi-Pelagius
Calvinism is Augustinian
Those who hold the Pelagian View are outside of the Chrisitan faith since they violate an essential doctrine to the faith.
See Romans 5:12-18 on this issue.
We need to start with the fall because this is where the beginning of the issue.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).