Biblical and historical reasons why Mitt Romney is not a Christian

[neverending]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

No--this filth was not brought in by us, but first by your "filth"y mind and second by Billyray and others. What we have said is that we don't know how Christ is the Son of God, the only begotten Son of God---but we know that He is the Son of God.

How do you describe Christ being the Son of God? Do you, like Billyray, see this as just more a figure of speech than real?

And while Matthew states that Mary's child was of the Holy Ghost---Christ himself clearly states that He is not the Son of the Holy Ghost, but of the Father.

We are all waiting patiently for Jill to point us to the scripture where Christ declares Himself the Son of the Holy Ghost.

BJ, what you just said to Decalogue is reportable! And as for how Christ came to be conceived, it WAS by the Holy Ghost as it says in Matt. This is your problem for NOT understanding the trinity. God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, all three in ONE GOD! Not three beings in purpose as your doctrines teach. If you don't like what the Bible teaches, that again is your problem and is sad. You can fall back on your Article of Faith that lets you off the hook with saying, "as long as its translated correctly." I will say again, ALL THREE of the Godhead were involved in the conception of Christ. Christ helping to create his own physical body. If Jesus is the Christ and is God, then there should never be any argument, for his word is true....God does not lie, at least mine doesn't but what about yours?

[BigJulie]

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Originally Posted by neverending

BJ, what you just said to Decalogue is reportable! And as for how Christ came to be conceived, it WAS by the Holy Ghost as it says in Matt.

Yes, but the details of this are left out. The only thing is that we know is that this conception resulted in the birth of the Son of the Father--not of the Holy Ghost.

This is your problem for NOT understanding the trinity. God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, all three in ONE GOD!

Then why does Christ distinguish the Father from the Holy Ghost or even the Son when declaring who His Father is?

Not three beings in purpose as your doctrines teach.

This concept is not only taught of the Godhead, but also of the marriage of a man and a woman where they become "one."

If you don't like what the Bible teaches, that again is your problem and is sad. You can fall back on your Article of Faith that lets you off the hook with saying, "as long as its translated correctly."

I do like what the Bible says---but even when you all post the long list of translations, it becomes obvious that to understand it, one must have access to the Holy Ghost.

I will say again, ALL THREE of the Godhead were involved in the conception of Christ.

All three? I suppose if I was saying that as a Mormon, you would come up with a way to sensationlize that and put you "filthly" spin on it too.

Christ helping to create his own physical body. If Jesus is the Christ and is God, then there should never be any argument, for his word is true....God does not lie, at least mine doesn't but what about yours?

Christ helping to create his own body? Okay--so, now lets talk real stuff here. As Christ was fully man, where did the extra 23 chromosomes come from that make him a man? Are they the same as with Adam who was created, but is not begotten?

[neverending]

[quote=BigJulie;101973]

Yes, but the details of this are left out. The only thing is that we know is that this conception resulted in the birth of the Son of the Father--not of the Holy Ghost.

Then why does Christ distinguish the Father from the Holy Ghost or even the Son when declaring who His Father is?

This concept is not only taught of the Godhead, but also of the marriage of a man and a woman where they become "one."

I do like what the Bible says---but even when you all post the long list of translations, it becomes obvious that to understand it, one must have access to the Holy Ghost.

All three? I suppose if I was saying that as a Mormon, you would come up with a way to sensationlize that and put you "filthly" spin on it too.

Christ helping to create his own body? Okay--so, now lets talk real stuff here. As Christ was fully man, where did the extra 23 chromosomes come from that make him a man? Are they the same as with Adam who was created, but is not begotten?

BJ: I don't find your thoughts to be rational! You insult me by accusing me of putting a "filthy spin on Christ's conception? That is in your mind......and I have no issue with how Christ was conceived. We know that Mary was overshadowed by the "Holy Spirit". It is you and your leaders that have made it into some filthy thing, making it incestuous! I have already shared with you the very comments made by Pres. Benson who came right out and said that Christ was conceived literally like a man and woman conceive a child. This is FACT! Try and disclaim it.

[BigJulie]

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Originally Posted by neverending

BJ: I don't find your thoughts to be rational! You insult me by accusing me of putting a "filthy spin on Christ's conception? That is in your mind......

No, that is in YOUR mind---you project your filth onto what you think are my beliefs.

and I have no issue with how Christ was conceived. We know that Mary was overshadowed by the "Holy Spirit".

Yes, I agree. But the details of how the Mary's egg was fertilized to impregnate Mary, we do not know. I have stated this many times---it is you who want to insist that we believe something more.

It is you and your leaders that have made it into some filthy thing, making it incestuous!

Nope, you again. Now, if someone wants to discuss this or think sex was involved (which we have no scripture regarding)---I don't think of sex as a bad or disgusting thing. Do you?

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have already shared with you the very comments made by Pres. Benson who came right out and said that Christ was conceived literally like a man and woman conceive a child. This is FACT! Try and disclaim it.

I haven't seen the quote, but regardless,

... just for good measure, I will repeat this quote: (Oh, I just saw the quote--nothing of it says what you think it does---it basically speaks to the fact that Jesus Christ is the begotten Son of God the Father which means he shares physical attributes and is the Son of God the Father. This does not state how He is the Son, but that He is the Son.)

Critics of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sometimes proclaim that the LDS believe that God had sex with Mary, resulting in the conception of Jesus. This is simply not true. While some members of the Church may have speculated concerning the conception of Jesus, the Church has never had a teaching concerning this event. This can easily be seen in a letter written by President Harold B. Lee to a brother in Logan, Utah. The letter is reproduced below. An edited version is also quoted in The Teachings of Harold B. Lee (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1996), 14.

http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/Did_God_...with_Mary.html